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Islam is correct about the nature and role of women in society, and these attitudes are compatible with modern feminism and Western social mores.
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Islam is correct about the nature and role of women in society, but these attitudes/truths are incompatible with modern feminism and Western social mores.
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Islam's attitudes regarding women are regressive and problematic, and do not belong in modern Western society.
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The statement lacks sufficient nuance and thus I can neither confirm nor deny its accuracy.
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Fahran, why are you wasting your time writing lengthy posts about /pol/?
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I'm a sea sponge and have no opinion on this issue.
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I'm noncommital and thus want an "other" option.
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Postby Ors Might » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:49 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The ideologies about women and GSMs that are prevalent in Islam should definitely not belong in modern western society. That goes for all other religions that have the same beliefs as well.

If those religions jettison those beliefs they can then stay

There's multiple problems with that statement though. First, the frequently espoused argument that "Islam does not belong in modern Western society" has its roots in extreme racism, xenophobia, and religious intolerance. It really has nothing to do with the backwardness of religious tenets and more with hostility toward people who look too Arab or don't sufficiently approach the same religious camp as evangelical Protestantism. As you are most likely aware, evangelicals are, by and large, not exactly the most avid feminists. Second, I agree that religion is, in general, an obstacle to social progress. However, the idea of banning free belief and worship is even more antithetical to our expectations of a modern, free society (not to mention the more material issues that arise from banning nearly every form of Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, and probably various other major religions).

Islam’s problem with sexism and homophobia isn’t something created by racists and xenophobes. Criticism of those things by groups targeted by that sexism and homophobia is thus not necessarily rooted in racism or xenophobia.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:51 am

Ors Might wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:There's multiple problems with that statement though. First, the frequently espoused argument that "Islam does not belong in modern Western society" has its roots in extreme racism, xenophobia, and religious intolerance. It really has nothing to do with the backwardness of religious tenets and more with hostility toward people who look too Arab or don't sufficiently approach the same religious camp as evangelical Protestantism. As you are most likely aware, evangelicals are, by and large, not exactly the most avid feminists. Second, I agree that religion is, in general, an obstacle to social progress. However, the idea of banning free belief and worship is even more antithetical to our expectations of a modern, free society (not to mention the more material issues that arise from banning nearly every form of Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, and probably various other major religions).

Islam’s problem with sexism and homophobia isn’t something created by racists and xenophobes. Criticism of those things by groups targeted by that sexism and homophobia is thus not necessarily rooted in racism or xenophobia.

This ^^

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Postby Greater Gilead » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:53 am

Kowani wrote:
Greater Gilead wrote:So, I have to say this carefully, but as a member of a religion that has gotten described as "regressive", "problematic", and "does not belong in western civilization", I will side with the fliers here. Whether it's tolling or not, and if so, from whoever it may be, the messenger does not define the message. Trying to force religions into the mold of "western civilization" will not work. If anything, it makes us more defensive to your ways.
Looking at what has already been posted in this thread, some people are visibly hostile to religions like mine. This is what I'm talking about. If an incompatibility exists, well, we've been around for two millennia. It wasn't us that created this incompatibility. It's the ones that changed.

Unless your religion is Neolithic shamanism, you have no legs to stand on.

I'm a fundamentalist Christian, and already in this thread two people have shown hostility against my religion.
viewtopic.php?p=36281104#p36281104
viewtopic.php?p=36281093&sid=7b232cb61abb904a1b594fed20c552d1#p36281093
Both of those posts basically say that my religion should be banned. This kind of hostility is a common thing for me. I had a friend stabbed over it. (Seriously).
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:56 am

Greater Gilead wrote:
Kowani wrote:Unless your religion is Neolithic shamanism, you have no legs to stand on.

I'm a fundamentalist Christian, and already in this thread two people have shown hostility against my religion.
viewtopic.php?p=36281104#p36281104
viewtopic.php?p=36281093&sid=7b232cb61abb904a1b594fed20c552d1#p36281093
Both of those posts basically say that my religion should be banned. This kind of hostility is a common thing for me. I had a friend stabbed over it. (Seriously).

Your religion is more hostile than that to many, so that should be expected.

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Postby Kowani » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:56 am

Greater Gilead wrote:
Kowani wrote:Unless your religion is Neolithic shamanism, you have no legs to stand on.

I'm a fundamentalist Christian, and already in this thread two people have shown hostility against my religion.
viewtopic.php?p=36281104#p36281104
viewtopic.php?p=36281093&sid=7b232cb61abb904a1b594fed20c552d1#p36281093
Both of those posts basically say that my religion should be banned. This kind of hostility is a common thing for me. I had a friend stabbed over it. (Seriously).

And? Your religion is not owed anything. Once it actually proves itself, sure.
(Although I should point out that I’m not hostile towards your religion in particular, I’m hostile towards them all.)
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Postby South Central South-Park » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:58 am

Kowani wrote:
Greater Gilead wrote:I'm a fundamentalist Christian, and already in this thread two people have shown hostility against my religion.
viewtopic.php?p=36281104#p36281104
viewtopic.php?p=36281093&sid=7b232cb61abb904a1b594fed20c552d1#p36281093
Both of those posts basically say that my religion should be banned. This kind of hostility is a common thing for me. I had a friend stabbed over it. (Seriously).

And? Your religion is not owed anything. Once it actually proves itself, sure.
(Although I should point out that I’m not hostile towards your religion in particular, I’m hostile towards them all.)

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Postby Satuga » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:59 am

South Central South-Park wrote:Dont forget to tip your fedora buddy.


Didn't seem like he was saying anything neck beardy.
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Postby Aureumterra » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:00 am

Syeadeshistania wrote:Of course it is 4chan, always fucking 4chan. I as a Muslim, personally believe that feminism in many countries such as the USA and Canada is simply unneeded as women already have equal rights to men. Islam is not patriarchal, Muslim women often don't wear hijabs or burqas.

Yeah, then they get arrested
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Postby Kowani » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:02 am

South Central South-Park wrote:
Kowani wrote:And? Your religion is not owed anything. Once it actually proves itself, sure.
(Although I should point out that I’m not hostile towards your religion in particular, I’m hostile towards them all.)

Dont forget to tip your fedora buddy.

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Postby South Central South-Park » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:02 am

Satuga wrote:
South Central South-Park wrote:Dont forget to tip your fedora buddy.


Didn't seem like he was saying anything neck beardy.

If hes a true atheist then its clearly stated in the Atheist bible that he should tip his fedora.
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Postby Aureumterra » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:04 am

USS Monitor wrote:Just braindead trolling from people that don't grasp the concept of tolerance. Islam doesn't have to be "right" for Muslims to be allowed to practice it without facing religious discrimination.

Agreed, they need to be met with rational discourse than troll campaigns
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:04 am

South Central South-Park wrote:
Satuga wrote:
Didn't seem like he was saying anything neck beardy.

If hes a true atheist then its clearly stated in the Atheist bible that he should tip his fedora.
Aalewiss 29:11
"When thou art dabbing on religion, thine fedora shall be tipped, or may yee forever be condemned"

What? We atheists don't have a holly book.

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Postby Satuga » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:05 am

South Central South-Park wrote:If hes a true atheist then its clearly stated in the Atheist bible that he should tip his fedora.
Aalewiss 29:11
"When thou art dabbing on religion, thine fedora shall be tipped, or may yee forever be condemned"


That just seems like a poor jab at someone criticizing a religion based on him saying religions should be modern to fit modern views in order to be tolerated.
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Postby South Central South-Park » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:06 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
South Central South-Park wrote:If hes a true atheist then its clearly stated in the Atheist bible that he should tip his fedora.
Aalewiss 29:11
"When thou art dabbing on religion, thine fedora shall be tipped, or may yee forever be condemned"

What? We atheists don't have a holly book.

Right, I think you call it the Atheist law of conduct, but you pretty much treat it like a bible when you all get together preaching the good atheist gospel of how there is no god and every religious person is stupid and should be put to the stake for heresy against the god of rational thought.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:07 am

South Central South-Park wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:What? We atheists don't have a holly book.

Right, I think you call it the Atheist law of conduct, but you pretty much treat it like a bible when you all get together preaching the good atheist gospel of how there is no god and every religious person is stupid and should be put to the stake for heresy against the god of rational thought.

No, that is a poor strawman.
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Postby Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:07 am

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Who says I'm letting them live there rent-free? A girl's gotta pay for textbooks somehow. :p

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Postby Kowani » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:08 am

South Central South-Park wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:What? We atheists don't have a holly book.

Right, I think you call it the Atheist law of conduct, but you pretty much treat it like a bible when you all get together preaching the good atheist gospel of how there is no god and every religious person is stupid and should be put to the stake for heresy against the god of rational thought.

None of this happens. :rofl:
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Postby South Central South-Park » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:08 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
South Central South-Park wrote:Right, I think you call it the Atheist law of conduct, but you pretty much treat it like a bible when you all get together preaching the good atheist gospel of how there is no god and every religious person is stupid and should be put to the stake for heresy against the god of rational thought.

No, it is a poor strawman.

Oh so now you're trying to cover it all up? Sounds a lot like catholics when they insist theres no systematic child abuse in their church.

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Postby Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:08 am

My one two on this.

Remember how the "ok" symbol was a white power symbol for a while. That started on 4-Chan to show the hypocrisy of the left. I think this is another case of that. Either way, its funny.
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Postby South Central South-Park » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:10 am

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:My one two on this.

Remember how the "ok" symbol was a white power symbol for a while. That started on 4-Chan to show the hypocrisy of the left. I think this is another case of that. Either way, its funny.

"For a while"
Buddy you know the ADL just added the OK sign to the index of hate symbols a short while ago lol, if anything its "official" now. They also added bowlcuts for some inexplicable reason, i guess cause that church shooter had a bowlcut its racist now, why not classify the clothes he wore too as a hate symbol while at it lol.
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Postby Satuga » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:10 am

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:My one two on this.

Remember how the "ok" symbol was a white power symbol for a while. That started on 4-Chan to show the hypocrisy of the left. I think this is another case of that. Either way, its funny.


The ok symbol was more of showing how gullible and ignorant the left was. The It's ok to be white was more of what you're thinking.
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Postby Aureumterra » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:10 am

South Central South-Park wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:No, it is a poor strawman.

Oh so now you're trying to cover it all up? Sounds a lot like catholics when they insist theres no systematic child abuse in their church.

I doubt there’s an atheist bible, although some atheists genuinely believe Dawkins was a prophet of science, which sounds like an oxymoron but I swear its real and have met some of them before
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Postby Satuga » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:11 am

South Central South-Park wrote:"For a while"
Buddy you know the ADL just added the OK sign to the index of hate symbols a short while ago lol, if anything its "official" now. They also added bowlcuts for some inexplicable reason, i guess cause that church shooter had a bowlcut its racist now, why not classify the clothes he wore too as a hate symbol while at it lol.


Yeah and they were retarded for doing it, they quite literally handed a playful sign to actual racist instead of just calling 4chan out on their bs.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:12 am

Aureumterra wrote:
South Central South-Park wrote:Oh so now you're trying to cover it all up? Sounds a lot like catholics when they insist theres no systematic child abuse in their church.

I doubt there’s an atheist bible, although some atheists genuinely believe Dawkins was a prophet of science, which sounds like an oxymoron but I swear its real and have met some of them before

We do have the Skeptic’s Annotated Bible.
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Postby Pacomia » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:16 am

Kowani wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:I doubt there’s an atheist bible, although some atheists genuinely believe Dawkins was a prophet of science, which sounds like an oxymoron but I swear its real and have met some of them before

We do have the Skeptic’s Annotated Bible.

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