Islam Is Right About Women

[Parcia]

I heard whispers from some old friends in /k/ about this, didnt know it was a /pol/ false flag for sure though.

[Fahran]

Who says I'm letting them live there rent-free? A girl's gotta pay for textbooks somehow.

Fahran camming for pol... in her head?


This is some 18th dimension shit.

OEP, I consider all conversations that occur in this vein your fault and I'm going to be mad at you for a period of time exceeding two business days.

Anyhow, we're sort of drifting away from the role of women in Islam (and religion more broadly), Islamophobia, and alleged contradictions in progressive thought to focus more on feminism, dating, etc. I think we'd best shift back to the thread topic. I humored it a bit because it is tagentially related, but we shouldn't pursue this too much here since it's more appropriate for other threads.

[Rojava Free State]

Poe’s law... right? right?? right???

It's pretty telling that feminists in the forum are in denial over reality and studies on the matter because their ideology tells us otherwise and has predisposed them to think acknowledging womens flaws is bad. It's also pretty telling that feminists have historically flipped out when people note women are manipulative and turned abusive on the person acknowledging it, trying to gaslight them and say their perception is flawed because of misogyny, despite it being the simple fact of the matter that yes, women have higher EQ, and high EQ means more manipulative tendencies. See the above posts on psychology and then actually deal with it rather than just displaying feminist axioms and disbelief and attacks on the character of people who acknowledge reality.

Deal with the evidence, don't just ignore it because of your prejudice-based convictions about how women cannot possibly do wrong in this regard.

Your behavior here, as well as the behavior of other feminists, is in fact an example of the end-product of this kind of manipulation from a subset of women. They have successfully gaslit and manipulated you into ignoring that is what they have done and feeling so terrified of acknowledging it because they manipulated you into thinking that doing so makes you a bad person.

"Why don't you trust me? You're a bad person if you can't trust me." said the con artist.

Another example demonstrating the trend;
Histrionic personality disorder.

4 times more common in women than men, and one of the symptoms is persistently being manipulative.

Another example;
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/relatio ... ships.html

Women are more controlling and aggressive than men toward their partners.

FInally you've got womens high levels of in group bias, proven trends of their double standards on sexism, refusal to take on board criticism of their gender while being fine dishing it out, and so on.

The whole meme of hostility toward noting women are manipulative is because of a convergence of these undesirable personality traits.

People are hostile to the notion because it quickly turns into "women bad, females are the boogeyman." It's like talking about Jewish influence in the media. It all too often crosses into dark territory. A lot of people who focus on the manipulative nature of women are often sociopathic and manipulative in their own right (see eliot roger for further details). It also is a convenient scapegoat to blame the incel epidemic on, so the incels don't need to take responsibility for the fact they're often total assholes that drive people away. It's like blaming white people for a black man being in jail after the black guy committed an armed robbery

[Rojava Free State]

I'm just gonna say this right now, if you ask a girl out and she says no, and you think she's leading you on and you do some stupid shit, don't blame none of us when you get slapped with a prison sentence. There sure are a lot of guys who don't understand no means no, and that to me is concerning to say the least.

[Saiwania]

I'm just gonna say this right now, if you ask a girl out and she says no, and you think she's leading you on and you do some stupid shit, don't blame none of us when you get slapped with a prison sentence. There sure are a lot of guys who don't understand no means no, and that to me is concerning to say the least.

You're not going to go to prison, assuming it wasn't a full blown date rape or sexual assault generally speaking. The police where I live don't do anything about domestic violence that falls short of a felony. Until the letter of the law is broken, nothing can usually be done.

The police don't care about most misdemeanors unless it is something fineable and thus a profit center they can benefit from. A business will usually trespass you far before anything gets too bad if people complain about your behavior.

[Gormwood]

I'm just gonna say this right now, if you ask a girl out and she says no, and you think she's leading you on and you do some stupid shit, don't blame none of us when you get slapped with a prison sentence. There sure are a lot of guys who don't understand no means no, and that to me is concerning to say the least.

You're not going to go to prison, assuming it wasn't a full blown date rape or sexual assault generally speaking. The police where I live don't do anything about domestic violence that falls short of a felony. Until the letter of the law is broken, nothing can usually be done.

The police don't care about most misdemeanors unless it is something fineable and thus a profit center they can benefit from. A business will usually trespass you far before anything gets too bad if people complain about your behavior.

It says quite a bit if your decision making process includes how far you can go before the cops get involved.

[Pacomia]

I'm just gonna say this right now, if you ask a girl out and she says no, and you think she's leading you on and you do some stupid shit, don't blame none of us when you get slapped with a prison sentence. There sure are a lot of guys who don't understand no means no, and that to me is concerning to say the least.

You're not going to go to prison, assuming it wasn't a full blown date rape or sexual assault generally speaking. The police where I live don't do anything about domestic violence that falls short of a felony. Until the letter of the law is broken, nothing can usually be done.

The police don't care about most misdemeanors unless it is something fineable and thus a profit center they can benefit from. A business will usually trespass you far before anything gets too bad if people complain about your behavior.

That’s not really the point. That was actually probably the least the least important sentence in that post.

I think. Correct me if I’m wrong, Rojava.

[Rojava Free State]

I'm just gonna say this right now, if you ask a girl out and she says no, and you think she's leading you on and you do some stupid shit, don't blame none of us when you get slapped with a prison sentence. There sure are a lot of guys who don't understand no means no, and that to me is concerning to say the least.

You're not going to go to prison, assuming it wasn't a full blown date rape or sexual assault generally speaking. The police where I live don't do anything about domestic violence that falls short of a felony. Until the letter of the law is broken, nothing can usually be done.

The police don't care about most misdemeanors unless it is something fineable and thus a profit center they can benefit from. A business will usually trespass you far before anything gets too bad if people complain about your behavior.

I ain't even just talking about that. I'm saying let's say you actually are with a girl and you full out wanna have sex, but she says no, and instead of taking the no, you just rape her. No means no, regardless of what the no is about. Is it that hard to just say "aight, well if you don't want no fun, forget you."

[Fahran]

You're not going to go to prison, assuming it wasn't a full blown date rape or sexual assault generally speaking. The police where I live don't do anything about domestic violence that falls short of a felony. Until the letter of the law is broken, nothing can usually be done.

Maybe don't go out of your way to make women and girls feel uncomfortable and unsafe just because you won't get arrested for it? It's gross, ungentlemanly, and you wouldn't want it done to your mother or sister.

[Saiwania]

Maybe don't go out of your way to make women and girls feel uncomfortable and unsafe just because you won't get arrested for it? It's gross, ungentlemanly, and you wouldn't want it done to your mother or sister.

Different women have different ideas about what truly makes them uncomfortable or unsafe. A lot of it is subjective nonsense, barring a more extreme example where it is too obvious that a guy is getting nowhere and should leave. We're in agreement that there is a limit but we probably disagree over where the limit is or should be.

[Rojava Free State]

Maybe don't go out of your way to make women and girls feel uncomfortable and unsafe just because you won't get arrested for it? It's gross, ungentlemanly, and you wouldn't want it done to your mother or sister.

Different women have different ideas about what truly makes them uncomfortable or unsafe. A lot of it is subjective nonsense, barring a more extreme example where it is too obvious that a guy is getting nowhere and should leave. We're in agreement that there is a limit but we probably disagree over where the limit is or should be.

The limit is when a girl says no to your advances. It's easy to just walk off and less costly

[GLDF]

A more clever troll campaign than most. You can tell that a little bit of thought went into it.

Yeah, 4Chan here is making me worried. Some day they might be on a third the level of the general population. I propose we use a whole three brain cells more and launch a campaign where we say homophobia is gay.

Responding to the OP, it's everyday far right bullshit. It's neither amusing nor uniquely alarming. It's obvious that Muslims here aren't like those from across the sea, just like many other immigrants. They fled from fundamentalist countries for their own reasons, only to get extremists that want to eliminate their rights. It's ironic.

[Saiwania]

The limit is when a girl says no to your advances. It's easy to just walk off and less costly

Not going to agree that it is as simple as you insist, but in any case- it doesn't look like Islamic countries have nightclubs in the sense that westernized nations do.

How do you suppose Islamic societies handle in what contexts it is permissable for men to court women? If we take Saudi Arabia as one example, you're not allowed to be alone with a woman who isn't your wife or direct blood relative.

[Chernoslavia]

I don't believe that. Most things that're worthwhile in this world, require at least some risk taking and initiative. To get what you want, you make things happen generally speaking. Trying at least one last attempt using a different approach or tactic obviously isn't the same as physically forcing yourself on someone, but people here are too daft as to insist that it is "sexual harassment" or some other such nonsense to strawman what I'm saying.

Trying to coerce people into fucking you is harassment. Idk why y'all have such a problem with just accepting that not everyone wants to fuck you.

That word. I don’t think you know what it means.

[Chernoslavia]

A more clever troll campaign than most. You can tell that a little bit of thought went into it.

Yeah, 4Chan here is making me worried. Some day they might be on a third the level of the general population. I propose we use a whole three brain cells more and launch a campaign where we say homophobia is gay.

Responding to the OP, it's everyday far right bullshit. It's neither amusing nor uniquely alarming. It's obvious that Muslims here aren't like those from across the sea, just like many other immigrants. They fled from fundamentalist countries for their own reasons, only to get extremists that want to eliminate their rights. It's ironic.

It’s always amusing to watch the left fall for 4chan’s bait lmao.

[Chernoslavia]

Different women have different ideas about what truly makes them uncomfortable or unsafe. A lot of it is subjective nonsense, barring a more extreme example where it is too obvious that a guy is getting nowhere and should leave. We're in agreement that there is a limit but we probably disagree over where the limit is or should be.

The limit is when a girl says no to your advances. It's easy to just walk off and less costly

A great man once said we went to the moon not because it was easy but because it was hard.

[Gormwood]

Yeah, 4Chan here is making me worried. Some day they might be on a third the level of the general population. I propose we use a whole three brain cells more and launch a campaign where we say homophobia is gay.

Responding to the OP, it's everyday far right bullshit. It's neither amusing nor uniquely alarming. It's obvious that Muslims here aren't like those from across the sea, just like many other immigrants. They fled from fundamentalist countries for their own reasons, only to get extremists that want to eliminate their rights. It's ironic.

It’s always amusing to watch the left fall for 4chan’s bait lmao.

Whereas the right unironically accept 4chan trolling as gospel.

[Chernoslavia]

It’s always amusing to watch the left fall for 4chan’s bait lmao.

Whereas the right unironically accept 4chan trolling as gospel.

Even if that were true (which your source has no evidence of) how exactly does that prove my statement is incorrect?

[Fahran]

Not going to agree that it is as simple as you insist, but in any case- it doesn't look like Islamic countries have nightclubs in the sense that westernized nations do.

Depends on the country. Some do.

How do you suppose Islamic societies handle in what contexts it is permissable for men to court women? If we take Saudi Arabia as one example, you're not allowed to be alone with a woman who isn't your wife or direct blood relative.

Yes. Courtship rituals work a bit differently in strict Islamic countries, though some of that has to do with culture as well, especially in places like Somalia and Pakistan.

[Fahran]

The limit is when a girl says no to your advances. It's easy to just walk off and less costly

A great man once said we went to the moon not because it was easy but because it was hard.

Please don't do that.

[Chernoslavia]

A great man once said we went to the moon not because it was easy but because it was hard.

Please don't do that.

Don’t do what?

[Gormwood]

Whereas the right unironically accept 4chan trolling as gospel.

Even if that were true (which your source has no evidence of) how exactly does that prove my statement is incorrect?

The ADL probably has a good idea of when something is being used as a hate symbol.

Universal Orlando actor fired for making 'OK' hand gesture, symbol designated as racist

And the point being while you're smug at 4chan trolling the left it's not a flattering testimonial on the right if the reason they're not being trolled is an inability to grasp being trolled.

[Fahran]

Please don't do that.

Don’t do what?

If a girl says no to romantic/sexual advances, they usually mean it. We'll occasionally change our minds but you shouldn't actively pursue someone simply because it's difficult. That's silly and can lead to a lot of misery and discomfort on both sides of the equation.

[Chernoslavia]

Even if that were true (which your source has no evidence of) how exactly does that prove my statement is incorrect?

The ADL probably has a good idea of when something is being used as a hate symbol.

Universal Orlando actor fired for making 'OK' hand gesture, symbol designated as racist

And the point being while you're smug at 4chan trolling the left it's not a flattering testimonial on the right if the reason they're not being trolled is an inability to grasp being trolled.

No they don’t lmao.

First off, you haven’t even proven this. You’re just citing more shitty sources that don’t provide evidence at all. You’re literally just proving why the left shouldn’t be taken seriously if anything. Second, my statement doesn’t concern the right and it is not stating that the right doesn’t fall for anything.

[Chernoslavia]

Don’t do what?

If a girl says no to romantic/sexual advances, they usually mean it. We'll occasionally change our minds but you shouldn't actively pursue someone simply because it's difficult. That's silly and can lead to a lot of misery and discomfort on both sides of the equation.

What if I told you...that’s how I got my wife to go out with me?