Right Wing Media claims climate activist child abuse victim

[Greater Carloso]

Individual actions to reduce their carbon footprint is only one part of it. No amount of individuals reducing travel and consumption will be sufficient without significant changes to how big business operates, because it is large and powerful entities that make billions destroying the environment who are responsible for most of the damage. They want us talking about plastic straws while they dump poison into rivers and cause earthquakes and flammable tap water with fracking, that's how they keep getting away with it. They trick regular people into thinking it's entirely their own fault.

Well I actually agree with you, for the most part, but quiet frankly most people do not think like this.

Companies like Nike, Volkswagen etc. set up their factories out foreign because the labour is cheap and the environmental regulations are not as well defined or tightly enforced. You wack a big fine on them or force them to move their production facilities back home, and you're suddenly faced with a shoe or car that is much more expensive for people to buy. People get angry, consumption falls, people stop borrowing money and before you know it there is an economic recession on your hands.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Wew. That's some nasty gaslighty bollocks, that is. Passion does not equate to pathological obsession except in a very small number of cases, and support is only on rare specific occassions a form of abusive enabling - there's no evidence these apply.

So the "concern" doesn't seem terribly sincere, and more like a hot take to generate clicks using the most inflammatory language possible. Which is, you know, a real form of exploitation.

Too often media is left to victimise people and act unethically without punishment or regulation because "only a free media can go after people with power and privilege." This neglects that media outlets themselves have power and privilege, much of which is accumulated by punching downwards and irresponsible reporting.

[The Emerald Legion]

I'd be surprised that the right is literally defaming a minor, a little girl no less, who is justifiably concerned about the planet's future, but well.. it's the right.
Even my own father shared a Breitbart post of her angrily lambasting the UN and called her "mentally ill". It really do be your own sometimes.

Where is the "family values" and "Just think of the childreeeen!1!1!1!1!1" crowd now that a real child is literally getting defamed and threatened on the basis of her being "different" due to autism and having the gall to stand up against the climate denialist lobby? Not to mention accused of having "Fetal Alcohol Syndrome" on the basis of a highly questionable image, to say the least, by self proclaimed "experts" who don't actually have any knowledge of prenatal medicine.

I mean, where was this concern for the honor and dignity of a child with the Covington kids?

Y'know the ones who were literally defamed.

[Loben The 2nd]

Where is the "family values" and "Just think of the childreeeen!1!1!1!1!1" crowd now that a real child is literally getting defamed and threatened on the basis of her being "different" due to autism and having the gall to stand up against the climate denialist lobby? Not to mention accused of having "Fetal Alcohol Syndrome" on the basis of a highly questionable image, to say the least, by self proclaimed "experts" who don't actually have any knowledge of prenatal medicine.

I mean, where was this concern for the honor and dignity of a child with the Covington kids?

Y'know the ones who were literally defamed.

Threatened with death, targeted by the media..

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Where is the "family values" and "Just think of the childreeeen!1!1!1!1!1" crowd now that a real child is literally getting defamed and threatened on the basis of her being "different" due to autism and having the gall to stand up against the climate denialist lobby? Not to mention accused of having "Fetal Alcohol Syndrome" on the basis of a highly questionable image, to say the least, by self proclaimed "experts" who don't actually have any knowledge of prenatal medicine.

I mean, where was this concern for the honor and dignity of a child with the Covington kids?

Y'know the ones who were literally defamed.

Whereas Greta is not being literally defamed...?

[Free Santa Rosa]

Can we move away from Thunberg and her aspergers (as if that's a relevant talking point) and talk about her message?

The fact that reactionaries (and I'm saying reactionaries, not conservatives or liberals, because both "sides" are guilty of this) are moving the goalposts and are instead focusing on what is frankly an irrelevant matter is appalling. We have to go back and talk about Thunberg's message.

It's not like Thunberg is even unique in this. Fact is, people have been calling out people in positions of power over doing nothing. In the Philippines alone, over 100 environmental activists have been killed, and more have been arrested in the past three years of the current administration.

It's clear that something needs to be done. And something is being done. It's clear what the real enemy is: corporate greed, and the entire capitalist system which fuels it. People who bend the laws to suit their needs. Foreign enterprises and entire governments who exploit other nations for their wealth and natural resources. Neoliberal imperialism.

It's also clear what needs to be done to stop it. Act. Organize. Clamor for legislation. Take to the streets and demand change. Take up arms and take the path of protracted people's war. It's not enough to praise people like Thunberg for her clarity. It's not enough to say, "Yes, today I will save the turtles." It's time to act, and it's time to force those in power to act.

[Loben The 2nd]

I mean, where was this concern for the honor and dignity of a child with the Covington kids?

Y'know the ones who were literally defamed.

Whereas Greta is not being literally defamed...?

She has media backing, the support of wealthy climate activists. If she’s defamed the media will spin a story of how she’s been crucified, and her benefactors feed her more money.

The Covington kids got a half assed apology for their trouble.

[The Emerald Legion]

Can we move away from Thunberg and her aspergers (as if that's a relevant talking point) and talk about her message?

The fact that reactionaries (and I'm saying reactionaries, not conservatives or liberals, because both "sides" are guilty of this) are moving the goalposts and are instead focusing on what is frankly an irrelevant matter is appalling. We have to go back and talk about Thunberg's message.

It's not like Thunberg is even unique in this. Fact is, people have been calling out people in positions of power over doing nothing. In the Philippines alone, over 100 environmental activists have been killed, and more have been arrested in the past three years of the current administration.

It's clear that something needs to be done. And something is being done. It's clear what the real enemy is: corporate greed, and the entire capitalist system which fuels it. People who bend the laws to suit their needs. Foreign enterprises and entire governments who exploit other nations for their wealth and natural resources. Neoliberal imperialism.

It's also clear what needs to be done to stop it. Act. Organize. Clamor for legislation. Take to the streets and demand change. Take up arms and take the path of protracted people's war. It's not enough to praise people like Thunberg for her clarity. It's not enough to say, "Yes, today I will save the turtles." It's time to act, and it's time to force those in power to act.

Alternatively we could nuke some place nobody will miss anyway and fix the problem immediately with a dash of nuclear Winter.

[Salus Maior]

As offensive as it is, at least they're identifying themselves as future concentration camp detainees.

Uh, no.

Concentration camps are no bueno.

[The Alma Mater]

Can we move away from Thunberg and her aspergers (as if that's a relevant talking point) and talk about her message?

There are seperate threads for that. This thread is about the "moral right" derives immense enjoyment from mocking and ridiculing a girl for her looks and handicaps, or even goes as far to suggest that her actions would excuse raping her.

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Honestly, it is Child Abuse. You don't send children out to fight wars adults should be fighting.

Believe or not, but Greta should not be part of this for another two years.

She doesn't want to wait for the future because her future is being determined right now. She has to live with the consequences of the decisions adults make today, so she has every right to speak out now.

Being a minor doesn't mean that one should bury their head in sand. Do you want the youth to be ignorant of the adversity they will face in life? Or do you think they shouldn't talk about things they supposedly don't understand? Greta has a better understanding of climate change than millions of adults.

[Salus Maior]

Can we move away from Thunberg and her aspergers (as if that's a relevant talking point) and talk about her message?

There are seperate threads for that. This thread is about the "moral right" derives immense enjoyment from mocking and ridiculing a girl for her looks and handicaps, or even goes as far to suggest that her actions would excuse raping her.

That's modern politics for you.

I remember people calling for the death of the Covington kids, among other things. There's no civility anymore.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

Where is the "family values" and "Just think of the childreeeen!1!1!1!1!1" crowd now that a real child is literally getting defamed and threatened on the basis of her being "different" due to autism and having the gall to stand up against the climate denialist lobby? Not to mention accused of having "Fetal Alcohol Syndrome" on the basis of a highly questionable image, to say the least, by self proclaimed "experts" who don't actually have any knowledge of prenatal medicine.

I mean, where was this concern for the honor and dignity of a child with the Covington kids?

Y'know the ones who were literally defamed.

You know that I didn't agree with the Covington fiasco and fake news, right? Especially as it has been established the Black Hebrews and the NoI wee the one inciting that conflict to begin with. In any case its a whataboutism, and doesn't at all justify the harassment and outright death threats Greta received in response to her campaign and movement.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

I mean, where was this concern for the honor and dignity of a child with the Covington kids?

Y'know the ones who were literally defamed.

Whereas Greta is not being literally defamed...?

That's Whataboutism for you. A common tactic of everyone from Joseph Stalin and the Soviet Union to the likes of Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, Matteo Salvini, Bashar al Assad, and Sisi in Egypt.

[The Emerald Legion]

Honestly, it is Child Abuse. You don't send children out to fight wars adults should be fighting.

Believe or not, but Greta should not be part of this for another two years.

She doesn't want to wait for the future because her future is being determined right now. She has to live with the consequences of the decisions adults make today, so she has every right to speak out now.

Being a minor doesn't mean that one should bury their head in sand. Do you want the youth to be ignorant of the adversity they will face in life? Or do you think they shouldn't talk about things they supposedly don't understand? Greta has a better understanding of climate change than millions of adults.

So has every child in the history of the world. Was I consulted on the National Firearms act? No. I wasn't even born and yet it effects me to this day.

[Proctopeo]

She started this all on her own volition. Give her credit, it started from a one-person school strike to an international movement. We oughta give her props.

No, but you see, she's got Aspergers, so (in the minds of right-wingers) that means she's mentally feeble and easily manipulated or something!

Although the same right-wingers also seem to think she deserves to be physically abused, so... I dunno.

>WHTM
Absolutely disgusting, Satan's septic tank contains more valuable opinions than that necrotic abscess.

Anyway, as for the thread topic itself... eh, I would say the way it's happening is a bit... child exploitationy, not really "abusive", though. That, and the alarmism can't be good for her.

That said, I do have my reservations about her, and I do believe she is being instrumentalized by the woke, anti-nuclear, anti-GMO, anti-animal testing, post-science, mostly white middle-class, pseudo-environmentalist Left* including the likes of Greenpeace, which its founder left, and the exceedingly woke and uncritical MSM, who view and portray her as "just a child", as a human shield to shame and silence adults into submission. Her emotional UN speech rubbed off me the wrong way. Her message is overly pessimistic and offers nothing but gloom and doom, and is all but guaranteed to put people off altogether, which would explain the starkly negative reaction by climate skeptics on the Right. The day she begins advocating for increased adoption of nuclear energy and proposing actual, practical solutions to problems besides "stop eating meat, ditch your car, lower your standard of living, the world is ending, repent your sins or burn in hell", and spreading a more optimistic message premised upon hope, is the day I can truly get behind her.

Also, this. Pessimism and doomsaying solve nothing, and only breed a resigned attitude.

Though, might I add, getting the parts of the world that aren't Europe, the US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand to pollute less is key to making change happen. It's just easier to scream at the West to do even more.

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That, and the alarmism can't be good for her.

Is that ageism, ableism, or both? And I haven't seen any unwarranted alarmism, I've seen an honest warning about the climate crisis that will profoundly affect the world.

[The Alma Mater]

Also, this. Pessimism and doomsaying solve nothing, and only breed a resigned attitude.

I dunno. Her message was heard by vastly more people and caused vastly more debate than the nuanced 30.000 or so reports on the dangers of climate change.

So she is doing something right.

[Proctopeo]

That, and the alarmism can't be good for her.

Is that ageism, ableism, or both?

"hrrngg, criticism... must be an -ism... hrrnng galaxy braaaaiiin... activated..."

Neither, alarmism is bad for anybody.

And I haven't seen any unwarranted alarmism, I've seen an honest warning about the climate crisis that will profoundly affect the world.

"Warranted" alarmism is still alarmism.

Also, this. Pessimism and doomsaying solve nothing, and only breed a resigned attitude.

I dunno. Her message was heard by vastly more people and caused vastly more debate than the nuanced 30.000 or so reports on the dangers of climate change.

So she is doing something right.

Being heard and being listened to are two different things. Doomsaying gets you heard but not listened to.

[The Alma Mater]

Being heard and being listened to are two different things. Doomsaying gets you heard but not listened to.

The fact that her most vocal opponents are now seen to be rabid dogs, foaming at the mouth while they try to tear a 16 year old autistic girl apart because she wants to make the world a better place does definately reach quite a few people who were previously in the middle and undecided on the issue.

Not through the strength of her arguments, but purely by "her enemies" actions.

People who already disagreed with her ofc will not change their minds one bit.

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"Warranted" alarmism is still alarmism.

So your position is that if a person sees a tornado headed in their direction, they shouldn't treat it as a matter of life and death and yell to everyone that the tornado is coming because alarmism isn't good for them?

Alarms exist for a reason.

[Proctopeo]

Being heard and being listened to are two different things. Doomsaying gets you heard but not listened to.

The fact that her most vocal opponents are now seen to be rabid dogs, foaming at the mouth while they try to tear a 16 year old autistic girl apart because she wants to make the world a better place does definately reach quite a few people who were previously in the middle and undecided on the issue.

Not through the strength of her arguments, but purely by "her enemies" actions.

People who already disagreed with her ofc will not change their minds one bit.

That's more the result of the media than her own rhetoric tbh

"Warranted" alarmism is still alarmism.

So your position is that if a person sees a tornado headed in their direction, they shouldn't treat it as a matter of life and death and yell to everyone that the tornado is coming because alarmism isn't good for them?

Alarms exist for a reason.

Obviously not, but nice strawman.
I'd rather not engage with you if you're going to be like this. No insult intended.

[The Emerald Legion]

Being heard and being listened to are two different things. Doomsaying gets you heard but not listened to.

The fact that her most vocal opponents are now seen to be rabid dogs, foaming at the mouth while they try to tear a 16 year old autistic girl apart because she wants to make the world a better place does definately reach quite a few people who were previously in the middle and undecided on the issue.

Not through the strength of her arguments, but purely by "her enemies" actions.

People who already disagreed with her ofc will not change their minds one bit.

That's honestly hardly a change. That's how the media portrays right wingers in general.

[Forumland]

Being heard and being listened to are two different things. Doomsaying gets you heard but not listened to.

It was quite the experience watching her accusing world leaders of stealing her childhood and dooming the world to extinction only to be greeted with applause.

As for the thread topic, I believe the common parlance for this type of thing is "concern trolling"

[The Alma Mater]

The fact that her most vocal opponents are now seen to be rabid dogs, foaming at the mouth while they try to tear a 16 year old autistic girl apart because she wants to make the world a better place does definately reach quite a few people who were previously in the middle and undecided on the issue.

Not through the strength of her arguments, but purely by "her enemies" actions.

People who already disagreed with her ofc will not change their minds one bit.

That's more the result of the media than her own rhetoric tbh

Results are results. It is quite possible that this was her (of at least her parents) plan all along.

And the blame ofc lies completely with the oh-so-moral people who were silly enough to drop their masks.