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What if.. Britain decided to join Germany in WW1

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I think..

..the world would be a better place
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35%
..the world would be a worse place
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23%
..Hasselhoff is originally German, surely
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[redacted]
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5%
..I, for one, welcome our new Anglo-German world order
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22%
..other
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Postby North German Realm » Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:51 am

Novus America wrote:
Risottia wrote:Victim? AH issued an ultimatum which was impossible for any independent country to meet.
AH's government exploited the murder of Franz Ferdinand as a pretext to justify their invasion of Serbia. When in 1898 Kaiserin Elisabeth was killed in Geneva by an Italian, AH didn't even try to issue any kind of ultimatum against Italy - knowing well that they were totally unprepared for a war against Italy. Serbia merely looked like an easier target.


The killing of Franz was hardly the only thing Serbia was doing. Serbia was hell bent on driving AH out of the Balkans. Serbia and AH could not coexist as they were, war was inevitable.

Eh. If you read the history, Austria Hungary was openly planning on an invasion of Serbia since 1913. That said, given they were the victim (the Archduke was killed), their action was justified. It was German Blank Cheques and Russian agitation that made the war into a crisis.

Ethel mermania wrote:
North German Realm wrote:I'm not actually sure how it's possible for the first World War to even come into place if an Anglo-German rivalry wasn't in place to be quite honest.

The germans still had it in for the french, and the Serbs and Austrians were not very fond of each other.

The French were utterly incapable of being a match for Germany, much less Germany also backed by Britain. It would be a war (and it would be bloody too) but it wouldn't be "Great".
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:12 am

I think the Central Powers would have won world war 1, and Germany would have forced or united with Austria Hungary as a Greater German Empire after the war.

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Postby North German Realm » Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:16 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:I think the Central Powers would have won world war 1, and Germany would have forced or united with Austria Hungary as a Greater German Empire after the war.

Similar to this posted on a dispatch so I don't get in trouble with the Moderators.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=804970

Not very likely. Germany had trouble dealing with the Catholics south of Main and west of the Rhine as it was, imagine what would happen if the Catholics became the bleeding majority. That said, it would be likely for Germany to forcibly annex Austria (+other territories from Cisleithania, maybe) in the event the K.u.K. fell into a civil war after the Great War had ended.
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Postby Uinted Communist of Africa » Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:38 am

History would have been VERY strange.
That would probably mean Britain would have made the world last longer if not out right won the war.
If they still lost then come World War 2 America would probably have been on the Axis side(it only joined the Allies because Britain was an ally) meaning The Axis rule the world because USSR probably would have felled without allies.
And history books would idolize Hitler, Churchill and ….god damn it I forgot the American guy.
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Postby Greater Galactic Commonwealth » Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:25 am

Uinted Communist of Africa wrote:History would have been VERY strange.
That would probably mean Britain would have made the world last longer if not out right won the war.
If they still lost then come World War 2 America would probably have been on the Axis side(it only joined the Allies because Britain was an ally) meaning The Axis rule the world because USSR probably would have felled without allies.
And history books would idolize Hitler, Churchill and ….god damn it I forgot the American guy.

you dummy, hitler would never gain popularity, as germany would have won!
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:50 am

Not possible.

Not only did Britain have an alliance with France, the invasion of Belgium cements there involvement with the allys.

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Postby North German Realm » Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:13 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Not possible.

Not only did Britain have an alliance with France, the invasion of Belgium cements there involvement with the allys.

Even at the time, there was debate in the British political atmosphere on whether or not Belgium was actually worth getting involved in what was increasingly looking like something worse than the worst war the UK had fought in until that point. It's not outlandish for Britain not to get involved, or to join on the side of Germany against France (traditionally their enemy), though it would be very very unlikely. Hindsight being 20/20, joining Germany would have been the better option.
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:54 pm

Don’t see any realistic way for it to have happened. A key element of Germany’s war plan for France was to go around the Franco-German border by going through Belgium, which would always spark war with the UK.
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Postby Heloin » Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:42 pm

North German Realm wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Not possible.

Not only did Britain have an alliance with France, the invasion of Belgium cements there involvement with the allys.

Even at the time, there was debate in the British political atmosphere on whether or not Belgium was actually worth getting involved in what was increasingly looking like something worse than the worst war the UK had fought in until that point. It's not outlandish for Britain not to get involved, or to join on the side of Germany against France (traditionally their enemy), though it would be very very unlikely. Hindsight being 20/20, joining Germany would have been the better option.

Britain and Germany were in the middle of their naval race, the too countries were at each others throats in a cold war basically.. That's not including the only way Britain would help Germany in a global war in the 1910's against France and Russia would require to change the preceding twenty to thirty years of history so radically to be just a fantasy. Joining Germany wasn't the better option, it wasn't one.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:51 pm

North German Realm wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Not possible.

Not only did Britain have an alliance with France, the invasion of Belgium cements there involvement with the allys.

Even at the time, there was debate in the British political atmosphere on whether or not Belgium was actually worth getting involved in what was increasingly looking like something worse than the worst war the UK had fought in until that point. It's not outlandish for Britain not to get involved, or to join on the side of Germany against France (traditionally their enemy), though it would be very very unlikely. Hindsight being 20/20, joining Germany would have been the better option.


Hindsight would show that willie and frankie should not have been such big dicks.
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Postby Heloin » Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:54 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
North German Realm wrote:Even at the time, there was debate in the British political atmosphere on whether or not Belgium was actually worth getting involved in what was increasingly looking like something worse than the worst war the UK had fought in until that point. It's not outlandish for Britain not to get involved, or to join on the side of Germany against France (traditionally their enemy), though it would be very very unlikely. Hindsight being 20/20, joining Germany would have been the better option.


Hindsight would show that willie and frankie should not have been such big dicks.

That's a lot to ask from short sighted Empires just fresh off from various atrocities overseas.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:15 pm

Heloin wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Hindsight would show that willie and frankie should not have been such big dicks.

That's a lot to ask from short sighted Empires just fresh off from various atrocities overseas.

Tbh, I could have done a better job.
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:53 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Heloin wrote:That's a lot to ask from short sighted Empires just fresh off from various atrocities overseas.

Tbh, I could have done a better job.

But where’s the fun in all that? The real joy of state craft comes from being a genocidal tyrannical madman supreme leader.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
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Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:14 am

Sovaal wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Tbh, I could have done a better job.

But where’s the fun in all that? The real joy of state craft comes from being a genocidal tyrannical madman supreme leader.

When the entire population is out doing aerobics at 6:30 am, and non compliance is dealt with via the bayonet. You may ask your question again.
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--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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