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Satuga
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Postby Satuga » Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:32 am

Alexiandra wrote:'Pointing out that fascism still isn't a good thing' is a classic tactic used by crypto-fascists. You disavow historical fascist movements but strenuously defend their every move, insisting that the other side was 'just as bad' even when evidence is provided to the contrary. There is a demonstrable difference between communism and fascism - one you seem unwilling to acknowledge. This obstinance in the face of very appreciable differences between two positions is a classic symptom of what is mockingly referred to as 'enlightened centrism', which in reality functions as little more than a shield for the far-right.


Since when did I defend the actions of fascists? The Ideals of Fascism and Communism are much different yes, but the end result of the PRACTICE ends up being similar if not identical. Concentration camps= Gulags, The Gestapo=KGB, both had Dictators, both oppressed the opposition. The fact you keep wiggling around this fact shows that you're biased and unwilling to see the problems with the very ideology you believe in. Enlightened centrism isn't actually something I heard before but it doesn't seem like it protects just the far-right, but rather both sides of the political spectrum.

Edit: Gestapo not SS
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Postby Munkcestrian Republic » Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:35 am

Satuga wrote:The SS=KGB


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Postby Alexiandra » Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:38 am

Munkcestrian Republic wrote:
Satuga wrote:The SS=KGB


LOL ok

Truly an incredible assertion.
'A distinction is made in private life between what a man thinks and says of himself and what he really is and does. In historical struggles one must make a still sharper distinction between the phrases and fantasies of the parties and their real organisation and real interests, between their conception of themselves and what they really are.'

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Postby Satuga » Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:41 am

Munkcestrian Republic wrote:
Satuga wrote:The SS=KGB


LOL ok


Both were Secret police were they not? Or am I confusing SS with a different name?
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Postby Alexiandra » Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:43 am

Satuga wrote:
Munkcestrian Republic wrote:
LOL ok


Both were Secret police were they not? Or am I confusing SS with a different name?

The SS were an armed paramilitary formation responsible for innumerable war crimes. They were the spearhead of the Holocaust, particularly in the East. The KGB was a domestic intelligence agency.
'A distinction is made in private life between what a man thinks and says of himself and what he really is and does. In historical struggles one must make a still sharper distinction between the phrases and fantasies of the parties and their real organisation and real interests, between their conception of themselves and what they really are.'

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Postby Satuga » Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:54 am

Alexiandra wrote:
Satuga wrote:
Both were Secret police were they not? Or am I confusing SS with a different name?

The SS were an armed paramilitary formation responsible for innumerable war crimes. They were the spearhead of the Holocaust, particularly in the East. The KGB was a domestic intelligence agency.


Ah apologies did get the name wrong thats my fault, it should be Gestapo=KGB. Gonna edit that rq.
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