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by Pannerstone » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:37 pm
by Rojava Free State » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:37 pm
The New California Republic wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:
you're legit telling me that an ideology that strives to create a classless and stateless society isn't idealistic? It will never happen! Never. If that isn't idealism then I don't know what is. I'M not ignorant because I can see from miles away that communism isn't based on how societies actually progress or how people behave
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Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by The New California Republic » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:38 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:The New California Republic wrote:Honestly, someone questioning where the materialism is in Marxism is one of the most downright hilarious things I've heard this month. It's like someone asking where the water is in a glass full of water...
I'm not asking that because I don't know. I'm asking because it has no relevancy as far as I'm concerned.
by Genivaria » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:39 pm
Genivaria wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:
you're legit telling me that an ideology that strives to create a classless and stateless society isn't idealistic? It will never happen! Never. If that isn't idealism then I don't know what is. I'M not ignorant because I can see from miles away that communism isn't based on how societies actually progress or how people behave
You don't know what Idealism means.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism
You're using 'idealist' as a synonym for 'naive' when we're referring to philosophical idealism.
by Alexiandra » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:41 pm
by Torrocca » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:41 pm
by Duvniask » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:41 pm
Nakena wrote:Marxism about developing a gargantuan inescapeable logic thoughtbox system pretty much like Incelism thonk it out on why they will never get laid.
by Alexiandra » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:42 pm
by Pannerstone » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:43 pm
Alexiandra wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:
Marxism is idealism. That is the damn point. There's no way to argue it isnt. It's based on a dreamed up future thatll never happen
Medieval peasant: a system where private businessmen own the means of production instead of the lords and peasant communities? Impossible. It'll never happen.
by Rojava Free State » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:43 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Alien Overlord » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:44 pm
Walkerfort wrote:so...
Banning cars will lead to a clusterfuck of mininations everywhere and attempting to mash two Eras together miserably and 1984 style dictatorships
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by Rojava Free State » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:44 pm
Alexiandra wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:
Marxism is idealism. That is the damn point. There's no way to argue it isnt. It's based on a dreamed up future thatll never happen
Medieval peasant: a system where private businessmen own the means of production instead of the lords and peasant communities? Impossible. It'll never happen.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Pannerstone » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:44 pm
Alien Overlord wrote:Communism has only worked under a single system in the history of our planet. Primitive Communism, where everything is shared between members of the same tribe within primitive societies, such as the Native Americans. Communism becomes nonviable in any other situation (as history has previously shown.)
by Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:45 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Genivaria wrote:You seriously need to read of what you're talking about, you just sound ignorant.
you're legit telling me that an ideology that strives to create a classless and stateless society isn't idealistic? It will never happen! Never. If that isn't idealism then I don't know what is. I'M not ignorant because I can see from miles away that communism isn't based on how societies actually progress or how people behave
by Alexiandra » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:48 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Alexiandra wrote:Medieval peasant: a system where private businessmen own the means of production instead of the lords and peasant communities? Impossible. It'll never happen.
Name me a communist society that worked
Oh wait, you cant, cause they always fail. That's the difference
by Duvniask » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:49 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Alexiandra wrote:Medieval peasant: a system where private businessmen own the means of production instead of the lords and peasant communities? Impossible. It'll never happen.
Name me a communist society that worked
Oh wait, you cant, cause they always fail. That's the difference
by Pannerstone » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:49 pm
Alexiandra wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:
Name me a communist society that worked
Oh wait, you cant, cause they always fail. That's the difference
Lol I like how as soon as I debunk one criticism you just switch to another without any acknowledgement. First you say it's idealist and I debunk that, now you're saying it 'doesn't work'. There has never been a communist society. Believe it or not, supplanting an entire global socioeconomic system and mode of production takes some time.
by Washington Resistance Army » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:50 pm
Alexiandra wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:
Name me a communist society that worked
Oh wait, you cant, cause they always fail. That's the difference
Lol I like how as soon as I debunk one criticism you just switch to another without any acknowledgement. First you say it's idealist and I debunk that, now you're saying it 'doesn't work'. There has never been a communist society. Believe it or not, supplanting an entire global socioeconomic system and mode of production takes some time.
by Rojava Free State » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:51 pm
Alexiandra wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:
Name me a communist society that worked
Oh wait, you cant, cause they always fail. That's the difference
Lol I like how as soon as I debunk one criticism you just switch to another without any acknowledgement. First you say it's idealist and I debunk that, now you're saying it 'doesn't work'. There has never been a communist society. Believe it or not, supplanting an entire global socioeconomic system and mode of production takes some time.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by The New California Republic » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:51 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:The New California Republic wrote:Wow, this just keeps getting better and better. You don't see the relevancy of materialism to Marxism?
I know about materialism in marxism, okay? In case you didn't know I'm not a fucking idiot. Marxism believes in historical materialism, which is the idea that society throughout history was consumed by struggle and conflict related to who owned the means of production. Marx believed that society and its development was influenced by its economic system and the division of classes.
There, you happy or you want me to write the whole communist manifesto just to prove that I know what I'm talking about?
by Rojava Free State » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:52 pm
Duvniask wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:
Name me a communist society that worked
Oh wait, you cant, cause they always fail. That's the difference
I already made a thread about this recently; this argument is unsound. You are making this assertion of an almost law-like form without bothering to understand (and explain) the actual reasons (causal mechanisms) behind failure. If these are the result of unique historical and material conditions, then failure is not inevitable and is instead the product of circumstance.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Genivaria » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:52 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Alexiandra wrote:Lol I like how as soon as I debunk one criticism you just switch to another without any acknowledgement. First you say it's idealist and I debunk that, now you're saying it 'doesn't work'. There has never been a communist society. Believe it or not, supplanting an entire global socioeconomic system and mode of production takes some time.
The fact that a hundred fifty years after the ideology was created it has failed to be implemented anywhere once kinda speaks as to its uselessness in the real world tbh
by Alexiandra » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:53 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Alexiandra wrote:Lol I like how as soon as I debunk one criticism you just switch to another without any acknowledgement. First you say it's idealist and I debunk that, now you're saying it 'doesn't work'. There has never been a communist society. Believe it or not, supplanting an entire global socioeconomic system and mode of production takes some time.
The fact that a hundred fifty years after the ideology was created it has failed to be implemented anywhere once kinda speaks as to its uselessness in the real world tbh
by Rojava Free State » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:53 pm
The New California Republic wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:
I know about materialism in marxism, okay? In case you didn't know I'm not a fucking idiot. Marxism believes in historical materialism, which is the idea that society throughout history was consumed by struggle and conflict related to who owned the means of production. Marx believed that society and its development was influenced by its economic system and the division of classes.
There, you happy or you want me to write the whole communist manifesto just to prove that I know what I'm talking about?
Then stop acting repeatedly like materialism has no relevance to Marxism for fuck's sake.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
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