The Future of Antarctica

[Western France]

Let's just give it all to France. There was a British India, Why not French Antarctica?

[Bluelight-R006]

Huh? I thought that countries would be too caught up in their own political mischief that they’d forget their land at the south.

Let's just give it all to France. There was a British India, Why not French Antarctica?

We don’t do colonies anymore. Well, except the small islands. Yet I believe that no one would agree with that in this day and age, where everyone questions each’s qualifications.

[US-SSR]

Unless something changes, Antarctica will be the world's beach vacation destination.

[Saiwania]

The best means of solving this question is one of my favorite things in all the world: war. WMDs shouldn't be allowed of course, but if the interested nations all decided to battle it out in Antarctica with conventional arms, the front lines will eventually be settled enough to decide which nation gets what. This is traditionally how all territorial borders were decided.

[Ethel mermania]

Sell it to the highest bidder

[Heloin]

Let's just give it all to France. There was a British India, Why not French Antarctica?

Already existed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_Antarctique

[Cekoviu]

Unless something changes, Antarctica will be the world's beach vacation destination.

For part of the year, and then it'll be deserted.

[Cekoviu]

The best means of solving this question is one of my favorite things in all the world: war. WMDs shouldn't be allowed of course, but if the interested nations all decided to battle it out in Antarctica with conventional arms, the front lines will eventually be settled enough to decide which nation gets what. This is traditionally how all territorial borders were decided.

You can't even have one semi-decent viewpoint, can you?

[Australian rePublic]

I have a better idea.
Why I don't make an independent colony-type national union in Antarctica based mainly on scientific and economic purposes where all these claimants shall get equal rights over the continent's lands and resources with the only exception that the core mountains of this will be independently.

So you wish to create a landlocked country right in the middle of Antarctica, surrounded by countries with claims in other continents? That's gonna work out well. Also, no matter, how noble your desire for scientic and economic purposes of Antarctica, countries will still need all the things that make them countries. Militaries, etc. Being located in Antarctica isn't gonna change that

I can involve myself as a chief of this project if anyone wants me there to do this.

And your qualifications are?

I don't know what's there. But I think that based on my idea there could be done a very good transportation system and also a megalopolis (city) type of living people. This shall be also acting as a special refuge.
Yeah, this independent core-colony with access to two oceans might be a new nation-state there, but it could work as a Pre-Mars colonization project.

Do you know what a megalopolis is? It's a group of cities (more than one) within close proximity of eachother

Until the Treaty expires or whenever its renewal it is time I think.
If we can't get an agreement on Antarctica then how will be on Mars? This continent is same frozen as Mars is.

One of the reasons why I don't think that we should rush into colonising Mars

If the ice is melting then the sea levels will grow.
About polar bears I don't know how that might work because there are different types of food and environment and they'll need also a safe place of relocation to not affect the international bases if that is considered.

Let's save the polar bears by f**king over every other animal native to Antarctica

When you settle on a giant glacier and then it melts, that's an issue. Antarctica is covered by a giant sheet of ice, and once it melts, anything built on it is screwed

I'm more thinking of the stupid plan made to drain the Mediterranean. Sure you'd have lots of land, but that doesn't make it useful or liveable land.

How come nobody ever mentions how this stupid plan will rob more than 20 countries of their coast lines?

Back that tractor-trailer up.

THE ANTARCTIC NEUTRALITY TREATY EXPIRES?!

Well, obviously, the first thing America needs to do is stake our claim. Half of that unclaimed zone to us, and half to Russia.

Second, when the treaty expires, it's time for an Antarctic Homestead Act. If you can build it, it's yours. If you can keep it, it's yours. If you can survive, the clay is yours.

Third, and most importantly, I believe that we need to set aside portions of the continent for ecological preservation, ESPECIALLY for the penguins but also for the rare creatures and oceanic diversity under the ice. North America has led the way on this for nearly a century; we have more undisturbed woodland, wilderness, and protected zones than much of the Old World. I believe America should, when she stakes her claim and homestead on Antartica, be the responsible one and set aside swafts of ecological preservation.

As a bonus, because Antarctica is, in its totality, an unspoiled wilderness, we need not repeat the mistakes of urban planning on cities that are centuries or even thousands of years old. From the ground up, the homesteaders and the cities they form can be built in a way that honors man's role as stewards of Creation. We can have sustainable means of garbage disposal, low-pollution corridors, and so on.

I for one welcome the Scramble for Antarctica. Let's just make sure we don't melt the ice when we set up things on top of it.

You do realise that the entirety of your homestead plan contradicts entirely your plan for "green planned cities". If people are going to build homes from scratch, with no financial support and no economies of scale, no jobs etc (houses will come before businesses) they're gonna build cheapest thing they can which will avoid collapse, and they're already risking financial ruin. Your environmental regulations will completely bankrupt people and/or will largely be ignored. If you wish to have sustainable cities, then you need well-planned cities built by economies of scale and will contradict your homestead plan. The two are mutually exclusive

Setting a city there will piss off a lot of countries, especially those with claims. And it'll cost tens of millions to maintain

How exactly would creating a city in unclaimed territory piss off countries with claimed territory elsewhere?

How come gets to build a city, but I don't? How come he gets to keep his military here, but I don't? How come he gets to... hang on, now he's infringing in my claim. Need I go on?

Rrrgggh... now I have to explain why you're wrong. **sigh**
Many languages are gendered. This means that every noun in these languages is either male, female or nutral. Keys, for example, are either male, female or neutral. Bottles, for examples are either male, female or neutral. Chairs- male, female or neutral, and so on and so forth. This also means that countries are either male, female or neutral. In Greek, a gendered language, for example, Canada is male, Australia is female, Cyprus is male and Greece is female. However, many languages, including the world's largest and most widely spoken languages- Spanish, French, Arabic, etc. are binary genered, meaning that everything is either male or female, no exceptions, and gender-neutrality is 100% totally, utterly and completely impossible. (Hebrew is such a language, which is why we refer to the Abrahamic God as "He"). The word "it" is 100% totally, utterly and complely impossible in such languages- not even incorrect- completely impossible. English used to be such a language till about 500 years ago or so, which is why we refer to some inatimate objects with either male or female pronouns. It is 100% totally, utterly and completely the result of the grammatical structure of language, and it has jack shit to do with being "creepy".

I'm a linguistics major, mate, and I'm not a moron - I know what grammatical gender is. We're not speaking old English and English lacks grammatical gender now; there's no point to maintaining an archaic, no longer used tradition.

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Ha? When did I imply that you're a moron? Not understanding the grammatical structure of foreign languages doesn't make a moron, it just means that they haven't studied that language. Are you trying to suggest that anyone who hasn't studied linguistics, specifically, is a moron. As for the second part of your criticism, I strongly disagree, but that's a story for another day

[Australian rePublic]

Unless something changes, Antarctica will be the world's beach vacation destination.

For part of the year, and then it'll be deserted.

Almost every beach resort is seasonal, with very few, if any, exceptions. It literarily won't be any different to most existing beach resorts*. The only real exception is the Gold Coast, Queensland, and even then I'm not sure

*And by "resort", I mean a city whose economy is entirely based on tourism. I don't mean "resort" as in 5 star hotel

[Cekoviu]

How exactly would creating a city in unclaimed territory piss off countries with claimed territory elsewhere?

How come gets to build a city, but I don't? How come he gets to keep his military here, but I don't? How come he gets to... hang on, now he's infringing in my claim. Need I go on?

What would make them unable to build a city in their own territory that isn't their own problem if some other country can?

Ha? When did I imply that you're a moron? Not understanding the grammatical structure of foreign languages doesn't make a moron, it just means that they haven't studied that language. Are you trying to suggest that anyone who hasn't studied linguistics, specifically, is a moron. As for the second part of your criticism, I strongly disagree, but that's a story for another day

I mean, it's kind of hard to be that condescending without making it seem like you think the other person is an idiot, so I don't blame you for that part.

[Australian rePublic]

How come gets to build a city, but I don't? How come he gets to keep his military here, but I don't? How come he gets to... hang on, now he's infringing in my claim. Need I go on?

What would make them unable to build a city in their own territory that isn't their own problem if some other country can?

Fine, but there are dozens who've alreay claimed The unclaimed part of Antartica, you'll at least piss them off

Ha? When did I imply that you're a moron? Not understanding the grammatical structure of foreign languages doesn't make a moron, it just means that they haven't studied that language. Are you trying to suggest that anyone who hasn't studied linguistics, specifically, is a moron. As for the second part of your criticism, I strongly disagree, but that's a story for another day

I mean, it's kind of hard to be that condescending without making it seem like you think the other person is an idiot, so I don't blame you for that part.

How in the fudge was I condescending. You think you're so high and mighty with your linguists degree. Well here's some news sweetheart, not everyone has studied linguistics. Not everyone speaks a second language. Quite frankly, for all I know, you could have easily been someone who only speaks English, with absolutely knowledge whatsoever of any other language . I was speaking to you as if you fit into that catagory. I mean what were you expecting, sweeetheart, that I have an encyclopedic knowledge of which degrees ever NSer has? I have to assume that have no knowledge whatsoever of topic XYZ, because you know- there's a good chance that actully don't have any knowledge of that topic. Idf you do happen to have knowledge of XYZ, good for you, however, considering that I don't know you from a bar of soap, I will speak as if you have no knowledge on that topic, because for all I know, you don't. And you boasting about your linguistics degree is very elitist of you. You think you're superior to everyone because you've studied linguistics? Well newsflash sweetheart, human knowledge is finite. Just because you know about linguistics doesn't mean you'te smarter than amyone who doesn't. There are many topics that we know that you don't, and it doesn't make you stupid not knowing about them? For example, do you know the difference between cash and accrual accounting? Spoiler alert, it has nothing to do with physical cash. Do you know what FIFO and LIFO stand for? Do you know what POS stands for? Do you know the difference between limited and unlimited liability? Do you know the kind of things that hotels do with their excessive rooms out of season? Do you know how to use food in a commercial setting in order to reduce wastage? Do you know which part of the chicken stock is made of? Do you know what the no show rate is for an average flightM The answer to this is probably not. Does that make you stupid? It just means that you have a different set of knowledge than I do. Unless you didn't like my tone. In that case, I appologise for that. I have a no bullshit type of personality, which means that I'm abrupt and to-the-point. People like me are everywhere, get used to it

[Cekoviu]

What would make them unable to build a city in their own territory that isn't their own problem if some other country can?

Fine, but there are dozens who've alreay claimed The unclaimed part of Antartica, you'll at least piss them off

I haven't heard of that; are there legitimate claims to Marie Byrd Land?

-snipped rant-

I see I struck a nerve. Quite unintentionally, I assure you - it seems as if you've significantly read into my post.

[Heloin]

Fine, but there are dozens who've alreay claimed The unclaimed part of Antartica, you'll at least piss them off

I haven't heard of that; are there legitimate claims to Marie Byrd Land?

The monster from The Thing.

[Australian rePublic]

Fine, but there are dozens who've alreay claimed The unclaimed part of Antartica, you'll at least piss them off

I haven't heard of that; are there legitimate claims to Marie Byrd Land?

No, micronations

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Fine, but there are dozens who've alreay claimed The unclaimed part of Antartica, you'll at least piss them off

I haven't heard of that; are there legitimate claims to Marie Byrd Land?

You’d be better off claiming Bir Tawil

[Western France]

Huh? I thought that countries would be too caught up in their own political mischief that they’d forget their land at the south.

Let's just give it all to France. There was a British India, Why not French Antarctica?

We don’t do colonies anymore. Well, except the small islands. Yet I believe that no one would agree with that in this day and age, where everyone questions each’s qualifications.

As the leader of the few remaining democracies on earth, I think france is pretty qualified.

[Cekoviu]

I haven't heard of that; are there legitimate claims to Marie Byrd Land?

No, micronations

Tbh I don't think pissing off micronations is a big deal. I mean, I don't really care if I'm considered a national enemy of Liberland or some shit

[Kowani]

Won’t be much of Antarctica to fight over at this rate...

[Dooom35796821595]

Huh? I thought that countries would be too caught up in their own political mischief that they’d forget their land at the south.


We don’t do colonies anymore. Well, except the small islands. Yet I believe that no one would agree with that in this day and age, where everyone questions each’s qualifications.

As the leader of the few remaining democracies on earth, I think france is pretty qualified.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

I can think of 28 better candidates based on the requirements you stated.

[The Continent of Antarctica]

I hope a new nation could be created if the ice of Antarctica melted. I think we will find the lost city and continent of Atlantis buried under all that ice. Climate Changers will love this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUd1XColj-s

[Risottia]

Huh? I thought that countries would be too caught up in their own political mischief that they’d forget their land at the south.

Let's just give it all to France. There was a British India, Why not French Antarctica?

We don’t do colonies anymore.

Antarctica wouldn't qualify as a colony, as there's no previous local population to turn into colonial subjects. It would be Territoire d'Outremer (Overseas Territory).

[Heloin]

Huh? I thought that countries would be too caught up in their own political mischief that they’d forget their land at the south.


We don’t do colonies anymore.

Antarctica wouldn't qualify as a colony, as there's no previous local population to turn into colonial subjects. It would be Territoire d'Outremer (Overseas Territory).

That would be called a colony.