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by Chan Island » Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:22 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.
by Xeng He » Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:01 pm
Blazedtown wrote:[an ism is] A term used by people who won't admit their true beliefs, or don't have any.
by Clarkstan » Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:31 am
Xeng He wrote:I usually don't think of things in terms of "forgive". More "would I rather continue interacting with this person". This applies less to things that affect me directly though.
by Alvecia » Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:51 am
by Lanoraie II » Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:50 pm
by Sundiata » Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:40 pm
by Samadhi » Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:42 pm
by Cekoviu » Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:44 pm
Samadhi wrote:Child/sexual abuse, murder and theft are all inexcusable.
Everything else is meh.
by Conexia » Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:50 pm
by Thermodolia » Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:24 pm
Beatitas wrote:Pacomia wrote:I don’t really know as I’ve never really thought about this, but child abuse and sexual abuse are probably the big ones. Hell, I might even forgive murder. Probably not. Maybe.
I just have a question for you. Of course, child and sexual abuse is almost unforgivable, but why might you forgive the intentional killing of a living person? When someone dies, he or she will never see the light of day, nor the stars of the heavens. That person has family and friends that love him or her, and he or she loves them too. Murder is the ultimate sin, taking somebody's life out of the body. Who knows what good the person could have done in life?
by Thermodolia » Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:27 pm
Nogodia wrote:Beatitas wrote:Can you forgive Hitler and Stalin?
Well, they're dead, and therefore unable to be understood. I think pulling a strawman like "Hitler & Stalin" (don't you forget Mao) was NOT the best way to initiate discussion.
I personally wouldn't forgive the obvious ones that hurt me, and would very much find it difficult to forgive child abuse. Infidelity is also a no go. I already have that contract in my head: Cheat on me, and unless you can justify it (coerced by a threat, were handicapped in a way that couldn't have been avoided/isn't your fault) it's an instant breakup/divorce.
by Thermodolia » Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:29 pm
Alvecia wrote:I don't think any of those are completely unforgivable, but it would obviously require a lot for some of them.
Though, I did fuck up the poll, and selected all of them. Thought it was asking which of them I could forgive.
by Samadhi » Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:44 pm
by Samadhi » Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:56 pm
Cekoviu wrote:Samadhi wrote:
Yeah my brother spent his teenage years on the street. Never stole anything.
Literally just asked people for a dollar and went and bought some food.
People are more charitable than you think.
That was not now and was one person feeding himself, not a family. Not really the same thing at all.
by Kowani » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:06 pm
by Samadhi » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:30 pm
by Kowani » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:32 pm
by Samadhi » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:36 pm
by Kowani » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:37 pm
Samadhi wrote:Kowani wrote:That you don’t like that your brother’s experiences do not constitute a representative sample of reality or society is not my problem.
Because representative samples of humanity has anything to do with cliches.
Aww if feeding a group of homeless kids is similar to feeding a family.
by Samadhi » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:38 pm
by Kowani » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:39 pm
by Pacomia » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:39 pm
by Kazarogkai » Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:06 pm
by Pacomia » Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:08 pm
Kazarogkai wrote:Child abuse and sexual abuse, ala the intentional saying/Destruction of innocence. Children are one of the handful of truly good things in this world and any who would try to hurt or damage them is a monstrosity that must be hunted down like a wolf a destroyed. Adding on to that, Sexual abuse/assualt of another whether minor or major is one of the ultimate forms of invasion of another. Either way there is no excuse.
I also added infidelity for in my eyes a man's value in this world is based on one, his actions, and two his oaths and including with that his willingness to uphold them. Infedilty is a breach of a sacred oath and breaking of it is as such is something I can't readily forgive.
The last one I put up there is murder but that is complicated. My definition of that is a bit stricter than most. Things others might regard as being homicide I might not. Killing another in an honorable duel, the killing of an enemy combatant in war, etc. Overall my definition of murder is quite simply ''unjustifiable homicide". What is justfiable though is the key.
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