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Which of the following acts would you find impossible, or extremely difficult to forgive?

Abuse on social media
28
4%
Child abuse
146
23%
Discrimination
49
8%
Infidelity
71
11%
Lying
21
3%
Murder
123
19%
Sexual abuse
138
21%
Stealing
28
4%
Swearing
8
1%
Verbal abuse
31
5%
 
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Postby Chan Island » Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:22 pm

Put down for the count sexual and child abuse (that goes without saying, obviously those are some of the worst acts you could possibly do). Murder is very bad, and so I have that there, though I do know of cases where I would be able to empathise if not actually forgive. Infidelity is an insidious act, and it's very rare that the perpetrators feel any remorse for the act itself, only for having been caught.

But the more interesting one for you is that I put down lying.

Obviously, there are white lies and there are cases where people feel like they have to, and that I can understand, but as a general rule of thumb, lying is something to be despised. Lies not only underpin and reinforce every other crime you can think of, but they are also the only tool you could really use to get others to do them too.

I'll put it to you like this: murders kill people. Lies destroy countries. The people who go to war and commit crimes there do so because they were lied too. The politicians who start wars often do so because they were lied to, and they lie to justify them. Press barons lie to millions to get their pet projects or politicians approved of, or to sweep away bad things.

I find that very, very hard to forgive indeed.
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Postby Xeng He » Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:01 pm

I usually don't think of things in terms of "forgive". More "would I rather continue interacting with this person". This applies less to things that affect me directly though.
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Postby Clarkstan » Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:31 am

Xeng He wrote:I usually don't think of things in terms of "forgive". More "would I rather continue interacting with this person". This applies less to things that affect me directly though.

I also think so,well explained.
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Postby Alvecia » Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:51 am

I don't think any of those are completely unforgivable, but it would obviously require a lot for some of them.

Though, I did fuck up the poll, and selected all of them. Thought it was asking which of them I could forgive.
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Postby Lanoraie II » Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:50 pm

Child abuse and sexual abuse are my main ones, along with murder, but there might be some exceptions for all three, i.e.:

1. I consider spanking child abuse, but if the parent is otherwise a good parent and very rarely spanks their kid, I'd probably forgive them and wouldn't consider them an abuser, just someone who's done abusive things (Which is basically everyone on earth)

2. Forgivable if and only it was one young child to another, mainly because that child unfortunately either is a sociopath or learned it from someone else. Also would pretty easily forgive two underage teens sending nudes to each other even though under law that'd unfortunately make one or both of them put on the sex offender registry. God I wish those laws would change.

3. Murdering someone who's murdered someone else, or murdering someone who's abused you (not #1 abuse but prolonged, significant abuse) and/or your children is something I could forgive or at least understand.

Abuse on social media is pretty disgusting too and I've yet to see a forgivable reason. I don't talk to people who think they're right about whatever hate bandwagon they jumped on.
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Postby Sundiata » Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:40 pm

I'm a Christian, so all of them.

Not easy. :(
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Postby Samadhi » Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:42 pm

Child/sexual abuse, murder and theft are all inexcusable.
Everything else is meh.
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:44 pm

Samadhi wrote:Child/sexual abuse, murder and theft are all inexcusable.
Everything else is meh.

Theft is odd. What about the old cliche of stealing bread to feed your family?
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Postby Conexia » Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:50 pm

I've been interested in this idea, actually. I'm sure a lot of you have heard this story before, but for those who haven't, here's a link: https://morbidology.com/murder-in-first ... a-rolland/

Basically, a 6 year old male took a gun to school, and shot and killed a 6 year old classmate.

The shooter's situation at home was not good, as his father was in jail and his mother had been evicted. Him and his siblings had been exposed to drugs and had a tendency to tease their neighbors dogs.

Would you forgive the shooter if this incident happened in your community?

I would, based off of his age and the fact that he likely did not comprehend the severity of his actions. That being said, I would not want to care for or be in the presence of this child.

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:24 pm

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Pacomia wrote:I don’t really know as I’ve never really thought about this, but child abuse and sexual abuse are probably the big ones. Hell, I might even forgive murder. Probably not. Maybe.

I just have a question for you. Of course, child and sexual abuse is almost unforgivable, but why might you forgive the intentional killing of a living person? When someone dies, he or she will never see the light of day, nor the stars of the heavens. That person has family and friends that love him or her, and he or she loves them too. Murder is the ultimate sin, taking somebody's life out of the body. Who knows what good the person could have done in life?

The murder may have been accidental or in self defense.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:27 pm

Nogodia wrote:
Beatitas wrote:Can you forgive Hitler and Stalin?

Well, they're dead, and therefore unable to be understood. I think pulling a strawman like "Hitler & Stalin" (don't you forget Mao) was NOT the best way to initiate discussion.

I personally wouldn't forgive the obvious ones that hurt me, and would very much find it difficult to forgive child abuse. Infidelity is also a no go. I already have that contract in my head: Cheat on me, and unless you can justify it (coerced by a threat, were handicapped in a way that couldn't have been avoided/isn't your fault) it's an instant breakup/divorce.

Cheaters and abusers: child abuse, sexual abuse, verbal/physical/psychological abuse, are both impossible to forgive. Though my personal biases may be playing a role here
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:29 pm

Alvecia wrote:I don't think any of those are completely unforgivable, but it would obviously require a lot for some of them.

Though, I did fuck up the poll, and selected all of them. Thought it was asking which of them I could forgive.

Idk abusers would be nearly impossible for me to forgive.
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Postby Samadhi » Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:44 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Samadhi wrote:Child/sexual abuse, murder and theft are all inexcusable.
Everything else is meh.

Theft is odd. What about the old cliche of stealing bread to feed your family?


Yeah my brother spent his teenage years on the street. Never stole anything.
Literally just asked people for a dollar and went and bought some food.

People are more charitable than you think.
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:21 pm

Samadhi wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Theft is odd. What about the old cliche of stealing bread to feed your family?


Yeah my brother spent his teenage years on the street. Never stole anything.
Literally just asked people for a dollar and went and bought some food.

People are more charitable than you think.

That was not now and was one person feeding himself, not a family. Not really the same thing at all.
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Postby Samadhi » Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:56 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Samadhi wrote:
Yeah my brother spent his teenage years on the street. Never stole anything.
Literally just asked people for a dollar and went and bought some food.

People are more charitable than you think.

That was not now and was one person feeding himself, not a family. Not really the same thing at all.


He fed his “crew” often. Protected them from harm. It’s the same thing.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:06 pm

Samadhi wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:That was not now and was one person feeding himself, not a family. Not really the same thing at all.


He fed his “crew” often. Protected them from harm. It’s the same thing.

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Postby Samadhi » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:30 pm

Kowani wrote:
Samadhi wrote:
He fed his “crew” often. Protected them from harm. It’s the same thing.

The plural of anecdote is not evidence.


Fuck yeah meaningless aphorisms
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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:32 pm

Samadhi wrote:
Kowani wrote:The plural of anecdote is not evidence.


Fuck yeah meaningless aphorisms

That you don’t like that your brother’s experiences do not constitute a representative sample of reality or society is not my problem.
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Postby Samadhi » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:36 pm

Kowani wrote:
Samadhi wrote:
Fuck yeah meaningless aphorisms

That you don’t like that your brother’s experiences do not constitute a representative sample of reality or society is not my problem.


Because representative samples of humanity has anything to do with cliches.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:37 pm

Samadhi wrote:
Kowani wrote:That you don’t like that your brother’s experiences do not constitute a representative sample of reality or society is not my problem.


Because representative samples of humanity has anything to do with cliches.
Aww if feeding a group of homeless kids is similar to feeding a family.

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Postby Samadhi » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:38 pm

Kowani wrote:
Samadhi wrote:
Because representative samples of humanity has anything to do with cliches.
Aww if feeding a group of homeless kids is similar to feeding a family.

Satan’s balls, did you miss the point that badly?


Yeah sure.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:39 pm

Samadhi wrote:
Kowani wrote:Satan’s balls, did you miss the point that badly?


Yeah sure.

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Postby Pacomia » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:39 pm

Swearing isn’t bad, and some types of lying are very easily forgivable. Non-criminal stealing is also easily forgivable.
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Postby Kazarogkai » Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:06 pm

Child abuse and sexual abuse, ala the intentional saying/Destruction of innocence. Children are one of the handful of truly good things in this world and any who would try to hurt or damage them is a monstrosity that must be hunted down like a wolf a destroyed. Adding on to that, Sexual abuse/assualt of another whether minor or major is one of the ultimate forms of invasion of another. Either way there is no excuse.

I also added infidelity for in my eyes a man's value in this world is based on one, his actions, and two his oaths and including with that his willingness to uphold them. Infedilty is a breach of a sacred oath and breaking of it is as such is something I can't readily forgive.

The last one I put up there is murder but that is complicated. My definition of that is a bit stricter than most. Things others might regard as being homicide I might not. Killing another in an honorable duel, the killing of an enemy combatant in war, etc. Overall my definition of murder is quite simply ''unjustifiable homicide". What is justfiable though is the key.
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Postby Pacomia » Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:08 pm

Kazarogkai wrote:Child abuse and sexual abuse, ala the intentional saying/Destruction of innocence. Children are one of the handful of truly good things in this world and any who would try to hurt or damage them is a monstrosity that must be hunted down like a wolf a destroyed. Adding on to that, Sexual abuse/assualt of another whether minor or major is one of the ultimate forms of invasion of another. Either way there is no excuse.

I also added infidelity for in my eyes a man's value in this world is based on one, his actions, and two his oaths and including with that his willingness to uphold them. Infedilty is a breach of a sacred oath and breaking of it is as such is something I can't readily forgive.

The last one I put up there is murder but that is complicated. My definition of that is a bit stricter than most. Things others might regard as being homicide I might not. Killing another in an honorable duel, the killing of an enemy combatant in war, etc. Overall my definition of murder is quite simply ''unjustifiable homicide". What is justfiable though is the key.

“Children are one of the handful of truly good things in this world”

I dunno man, ever been to a middle school?
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