Ooh this is interesting: A mass shooting, but in SELF-DEF???

[Saiwania]

You're not going to find this story be covered by TYT, or any of the other Liberal propagandists.

[Neutraligon]

You're not going to find this story be covered by TYT, or any of the other Liberal propagandists.

Because this is somewhat common. You don't see every gang shooting in liberal or conservative media either.

[Bear Stearns]

You're not going to find this story be covered by TYT, or any of the other Liberal propagandists.

Because this is somewhat common. You don't see every gang shooting in liberal or conservative media either.

We should. Maybe it would spur people to get tough on crime again like we did in the 90s.

[Saiwania]

Because this is somewhat common. You don't see every gang shooting in liberal or conservative media either.

At TYT, what Cenk and Ana usually whine about in any gun stories they do cover is- "this terrible thing happened, lets ban or heavily restrict all guns in terms of access."

A civilian successfully defending their home and themselves from crime doesn't fit in with their narrative that defensive uses of guns are rare enough as to be worthless considering. That society will be better off if most people don't have access to firearms like is the case in many more liberal countries overseas in Europe or Asia.

If mass gun confiscation happened, I think I'd at least want the overwhelming majority of law enforcement to be disarmed as well. Perhaps only special forces units should remain armed, provided they are only ever deployed for armed criminals or more extreme situations.

[Thermodolia]

The criminal justice system doesn't care.

Well they are dead so it doesn't.

But if this were a simple strong arm robbery, which was probably the kids intent. They probably would be tried in a juvenile court.

The 15 year old maybe but the 16 year olds wouldn’t be

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Nonsense. For most of evolution teenagers were considered adults.

For most of evolution there wasn't anyone capable of considering anything, because humans didn't exist.

What, as if our ape ancestors thoughts didn't count as "consideration"? Where do you draw the line, then?

Not that human history is necessarily much of an exception:

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/marriage.htm

Face it, we're the odd ones out for calling teenagers children.

[Gormwood]

Because this is somewhat common. You don't see every gang shooting in liberal or conservative media either.

We should. Maybe it would spur people to get tough on crime again like we did in the 90s.

Tough On Crime is how overcrowding and the private prison industry got started. Lemme guess, you have stocks.

[Diopolis]

We should. Maybe it would spur people to get tough on crime again like we did in the 90s.

Tough On Crime is how overcrowding and the private prison industry got started. Lemme guess, you have stocks.

Because they didn't realize the good a few hangings would've done.

[UniversalCommons]

There is a lot wrong here. What were groups of teens doing on someones lawn at 4:00 a.m. in the morning with guns. Having a group of teens wandering around at 4:00 a.m. is usually a reason for the police to stop by and ask them what they are doing. This starts with poor policing. There would not be people at 4:00 a.m. standing around on their front lawns with guns in my neighborhood.

The second statement is about robbery. I don't buy it. People go into houses to rob people. This sounds like an altercation and shooting. Obnoxious behavior where someone starts shooting. The type of altercation where a kid goes on someones lawn and the guy tells him to get off the lawn and they end up in a shootout.

The homeowner says it is a robbery. It does not mean it is a robbery. It needs to be investigated more thoroughly. I am reading the description, some of the teens may not have been on his property when they were shot.

They came on his lawn. There was an argument. One of the teens showed the man a gun. He shot them. It is his property. It is his right. However, not all of the bodies were on his property and the reason robbery is questionable. Trespassing, threatening the man yes, but robbery? I would believe some teenagers came on my lawn. I told them to get off my lawn. One of them showed me a gun. I felt threatened and shot them in self defense.

[Bear Stearns]

We should. Maybe it would spur people to get tough on crime again like we did in the 90s.

Tough On Crime is how overcrowding and the private prison industry got started. Lemme guess, you have stocks.

Who figured that out?

Jk, no I'm actually not allowed to own stocks in certain sectors due conflict of interest problems and access to inside information. One of those industries is corrections, the other is steel.

[Gormwood]

Tough On Crime is how overcrowding and the private prison industry got started. Lemme guess, you have stocks.

Because they didn't realize the good a few hangings would've done.

What would a hanging fix that electric chairs and lethal injections can't? Still have murder.

[Gormwood]

There is a lot wrong here. What were groups of teens doing on someones lawn at 4:00 a.m. in the morning with guns. Having a group of teens wandering around at 4:00 a.m. is usually a reason for the police to stop by and ask them what they are doing. This starts with poor policing. There would not be people at 4:00 a.m. standing around on their front lawns with guns in my neighborhood.

The second statement is about robbery. I don't buy it. People go into houses to rob people. This sounds like an altercation and shooting. Obnoxious behavior where someone starts shooting. The type of altercation where a kid goes on someones lawn and the guy tells him to get off the lawn and they end up in a shootout.

The homeowner says it is a robbery. It does not mean it is a robbery. It needs to be investigated more thoroughly. I am reading the description, some of the teens may not have been on his property when they were shot.

They came on his lawn. There was an argument. One of the teens showed the man a gun. He shot them. It is his property. It is his right. However, not all of the bodies were on his property and the reason robbery is questionable. Trespassing, threatening the man yes, but robbery? I would believe some teenagers came on my lawn. I told them to get off my lawn. One of them showed me a gun. I felt threatened and shot them in self defense.

Stand Your Ground laws encourage people to kill each other in a race to make up a story.

[UniversalCommons]

There is a lot wrong here. What were groups of teens doing on someones lawn at 4:00 a.m. in the morning with guns. Having a group of teens wandering around at 4:00 a.m. is usually a reason for the police to stop by and ask them what they are doing. This starts with poor policing. There would not be people at 4:00 a.m. standing around on their front lawns with guns in my neighborhood.

The second statement is about robbery. I don't buy it. People go into houses to rob people. This sounds like an altercation and shooting. Obnoxious behavior where someone starts shooting. The type of altercation where a kid goes on someones lawn and the guy tells him to get off the lawn and they end up in a shootout.

The homeowner says it is a robbery. It does not mean it is a robbery. It needs to be investigated more thoroughly. I am reading the description, some of the teens may not have been on his property when they were shot.

They came on his lawn. There was an argument. One of the teens showed the man a gun. He shot them. It is his property. It is his right. However, not all of the bodies were on his property and the reason robbery is questionable. Trespassing, threatening the man yes, but robbery? I would believe some teenagers came on my lawn. I told them to get off my lawn. One of them showed me a gun. I felt threatened and shot them in self defense.

Stand Your Ground laws encourage people to kill each other in a race to make up a story.

People usually don't need that much of a motive to kill each other. Anger or insult is usually enough. The more of a story about motivation that there is the less believable these kind of situations become.

[Gormwood]

Stand Your Ground laws encourage people to kill each other in a race to make up a story.

People usually don't need that much of a motive to kill each other. Anger or insult is usually enough. The more of a story about motivation that there is the less believable these kind of situations become.

The story is about absolving the survivor of guilt.

[Ifreann]

For most of evolution there wasn't anyone capable of considering anything, because humans didn't exist.

What, as if our ape ancestors thoughts didn't count as "consideration"?

For most of evolution they didn't exist either.

Where do you draw the line, then?

Wherever it is drawn, the point stands. Most life does not have an opinion about human teenagers. Obviously.

Not that human history is necessarily much of an exception:

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/marriage.htm

Face it, we're the odd ones out for calling teenagers children.

I'm fine with that.

[Diopolis]

Because they didn't realize the good a few hangings would've done.

What would a hanging fix that electric chairs and lethal injections can't? Still have murder.

Hangings can be more easily placed in the public view.

[The Two Jerseys]

What would a hanging fix that electric chairs and lethal injections can't? Still have murder.

Hangings can be more easily placed in the public view.

Plus lethal injections are boring to watch, and people for some strange reason don't like it when Sparky sets the condemned on fire...

[Thermodolia]

There is a lot wrong here. What were groups of teens doing on someones lawn at 4:00 a.m. in the morning with guns. Having a group of teens wandering around at 4:00 a.m. is usually a reason for the police to stop by and ask them what they are doing. This starts with poor policing. There would not be people at 4:00 a.m. standing around on their front lawns with guns in my neighborhood.

Congratulations on living in a nice part of town. Now for the rest of us it’s not all peachy

The second statement is about robbery. I don't buy it. People go into houses to rob people. This sounds like an altercation and shooting. Obnoxious behavior where someone starts shooting. The type of altercation where a kid goes on someones lawn and the guy tells him to get off the lawn and they end up in a shootout.

I assume you’ve never been to a major metropolitan area before? Or been to a crime ridden area?

The homeowner says it is a robbery. It does not mean it is a robbery. It needs to be investigated more thoroughly. I am reading the description, some of the teens may not have been on his property when they were shot.

It is under investigation. And according to new information all perps where in his property

They came on his lawn. There was an argument. One of the teens showed the man a gun. He shot them. It is his property. It is his right. However, not all of the bodies were on his property and the reason robbery is questionable. Trespassing, threatening the man yes, but robbery?

I see you’ve never been to an area with high crime before at night

I would believe some teenagers came on my lawn. I told them to get off my lawn. One of them showed me a gun. I felt threatened and shot them in self defense.

Or they attempted to rob him because the area has issues with crime

[Gormwood]

What would a hanging fix that electric chairs and lethal injections can't? Still have murder.

Hangings can be more easily placed in the public view.

Hangings can be more easily placed in the public view.

Plus lethal injections are boring to watch, and people for some strange reason don't like it when Sparky sets the condemned on fire...

So sadistic gratification for gorehounds.

[Diopolis]

Hangings can be more easily placed in the public view.

Plus lethal injections are boring to watch, and people for some strange reason don't like it when Sparky sets the condemned on fire...

So sadistic gratification for gorehounds.

Public execution has a teaching effect.

[Gormwood]

So sadistic gratification for gorehounds.

Public execution has a teaching effect.

You have studies to back this claim up?

[The Two Jerseys]

So sadistic gratification for gorehounds.

Public execution has a teaching effect.

The only reason capital punishment isn't a deterrent is because it isn't applied often enough.

[Gormwood]

Public execution has a teaching effect.

The only reason capital punishment isn't a deterrent is because it isn't applied often enough.

So you want the threshold for capital punishment to be lowered. Brilliant idea.

[The Two Jerseys]

The only reason capital punishment isn't a deterrent is because it isn't applied often enough.

So you want the threshold for capital punishment to be lowered. Brilliant idea.

It is brilliant.

[Diopolis]

Public execution has a teaching effect.

The only reason capital punishment isn't a deterrent is because it isn't applied often enough.

That the 19th century had functionally the same murder rates as we do today, despite significantly worse medical care, indicates the practicality of it.