Ooh this is interesting: A mass shooting, but in SELF-DEF???

[Kaystein]

The saurce

A Georgia homeowner gunned down three masked teens, at least one of whom was armed, on Monday during a failed robbery that could be an incident of "stand your ground" defense, authorities said.

The three boys, one 15 and the other two 16, were fatally shot at 4 a.m. outside a home on White Oak Court in Conyers, Georgia, about 30 miles east of Atlanta, according to Rockdale County Sheriff's deputies.

"It could be possibly a stand-your-ground type of case based on the preliminary (information) that we have learned so far," Rockdale County Sheriff Eric Levett said. "It's just a matter of verifying all the information we have."

Georgia is one of the states that have "stand your ground" protections on the books, which allow some room for deadly force in cases of self-defense.

Two of the boys died at a hospital while the third was pronounced dead at the scene, officials said. The teens still had masks on when first responders arrived.

"To this point, the investigation has revealed that the three now deceased individuals had their faces covered as they approached the residence and attempted to rob three individuals in the front yard," according to a statement by Deputy Lee Thomas.

"One of the attempted robbery suspects brandished a handgun and fired shots at the residents before one of the intended robbery victims returned fire."

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None of the intended robbery targets were wounded, officials said.

Well this is going to definitely be a case to pay attention to. So TL;DR some thugs came up to a small group of people and tried to rob them. However, one of the people being robbed was armed, returned fire when the robbers fired at them, and got a flawless victory killing everybody on the opposing team.

So now the guy that killed the three robbers will go to trial, or may not even be charged. Georgia has a self-defense law and this case may fall in the definitions of that law.. or he may go on trial and this'll wind up being a court case causing national debate on gun control again. So.. yeah.

You can probably guess my opinion, but; if the guy followed the law, then the robbers killed themselves. End of case. They should've known crime doesn't pay.

Discuss.

EDIT: best reply so far.

You know what would’ve been great? If the teens weren’t armed.

Also, fuck stand your ground.

[Kowani]

You know what would’ve been great? If the teens weren’t armed.

Also, fuck stand your ground.

[Telconi]

You know what would’ve been great? If the teens weren’t armed.

Also, fuck stand your ground.

Better yet, if the homeowners were better armed.

And fuck burglars is a better sentiment.

[Bombadil]

When the gunfire erupted, neighbor Brian Jenkins said he hit the floor and then checked to see if his wife was OK.

Correct order.

The only thing that makes me go 'huh' is that this all went down at 4am.. I guess we need wait for more details.

[Kaystein]

When the gunfire erupted, neighbor Brian Jenkins said he hit the floor and then checked to see if his wife was OK.

Correct order.

The only thing that makes me go 'huh' is that this all went down at 4am.. I guess we need wait for more details.

TY for correction. But how do I edit it in?

[Telconi]

When the gunfire erupted, neighbor Brian Jenkins said he hit the floor and then checked to see if his wife was OK.

Correct order.

The only thing that makes me go 'huh' is that this all went down at 4am.. I guess we need wait for more details.

I mean, some folks are regularly out front at that time. My wife works nights and I'll usually go outside with her, for a smoke when she gets home, my neighbor across the street also works nights. It's not unusual for us to be on our respective porches at 0400 having our smokes.

[Nakena]

https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/jus ... gvKoC1trN/

The teenagers exchanged gunfire with a homeowner on White Oak Court, near Conyers, the Sheriff’s Office previously said. The teens’ faces were covered when they approached the home and attempted to rob three people in the front yard, according to Thomas.

One of the suspects had a handgun and fired shots at the residents before the homeowner returned fire, Thomas said. The homeowner’s name has not been released

May as well have been a shootout.

[Kowani]

You know what would’ve been great? If the teens weren’t armed.

Also, fuck stand your ground.

Better yet, if the homeowners were better armed.

Nah.

And fuck burglars is a better sentiment.

I focus on systems, not individuals.

[The Republic of Fore]

No sympathy for them, don't go around trying to rob people and you won't get shot.

[Ayytaly]

Punks should've gotten off his lawn.

[Bombadil]

When the gunfire erupted, neighbor Brian Jenkins said he hit the floor and then checked to see if his wife was OK.

Correct order.

The only thing that makes me go 'huh' is that this all went down at 4am.. I guess we need wait for more details.

TY for correction. But how do I edit it in?

I'm merely saying he reacted in the correct order, save yourself, check on wife.

The only thing that makes me go 'huh' is that this all went down at 4am.. I guess we need wait for more details.

I mean, some folks are regularly out front at that time. My wife works nights and I'll usually go outside with her, for a smoke when she gets home, my neighbor across the street also works nights. It's not unusual for us to be on our respective porches at 0400 having our smokes.

Maybe, just seems off for teenagers to target a bunch of people standing around in their garden at 4am in Georgia. If I was a burglar I'd stay well away from them.

[Cappuccina]

No sympathy for them, don't go around trying to rob people and you won't get shot.

^ this.

They got what was coming to them, good riddance.

[Telconi]

TY for correction. But how do I edit it in?

I'm merely saying he reacted in the correct order, save yourself, check on wife.

I mean, some folks are regularly out front at that time. My wife works nights and I'll usually go outside with her, for a smoke when she gets home, my neighbor across the street also works nights. It's not unusual for us to be on our respective porches at 0400 having our smokes.

Maybe, just seems off for teenagers to target a bunch of people standing around in their garden at 4am in Georgia. If I was a burglar I'd stay well away from them.

Target of opportunity? Or perhaps they thought that intimidating people already standing outside would be easier than trying to break and enter? I mean, had that fellow not had a gun on hand, he would have essentially been at their mercy. If they had tried to break into a closed home, there would have been noise, that potentially woke the folks inside, and they would have had time to fetch a gun.

[Gormwood]

So trying to use an instance of justified homicide to bait gun control advocates?

[Saiwania]

Not sure what else this owner was supposed to do asides from open fire.

I'm not one to shoot intruders by default but if one or more is armed with a gun as well, it's foolish to not shoot first if they're facing towards you and too much hesitation will enable them to shoot you first if they aren't surrendering. Same if they intend to break in as opposed to merely passing through your yard.

The entire gun battle supposedly took place outside, so it perhaps didn't need to happen. Then again, they were wearing masks and probably intended to rob this residence from the beginning, so the owner firing on them is understandable.

[Telconi]

So trying to use an instance of justified homicide to bait gun control advocates?

Is it worse than trying to use instances of unjustified homicide to bait gun rights activists?

[Saiwania]

In self defense scenarios, I'm perhaps too reluctant to shoot; but its to make damn sure that the law will almost certainly be on my side- if I had restraint until that was no longer possible and I went above and beyond to allow for some window of time for a non-lethal outcome to happen.

If I had to choose, I think I favor a defensive mode for outdoors, offensive mode for indoors standard. If intruders are in your yard not leaving and trying to break in, police can be called. But if they've broken in and are going inside your home- it is then you probably need to shoot at them to keep yourself safe or in the advantage.

[Ayytaly]

So trying to use an instance of justified homicide to bait gun control advocates?

Gun control doesn't equate to banning guns. It just means you can't have a gun if you think like Dylann Roof.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Sure it's not gang violence rather than a mass shooting?

[The Blaatschapen]

Mass shootings are with four victims? But this was only three?

[Saiwania]

Gun control doesn't equate to banning guns. It just means you can't have a gun if you think like Dylann Roof.

It can equate to banning guns, but can fall short of that. Gun control is what I'd consider to be a double edged sword. Its true that it can keep at least some people who have no business having guns from accessing guns, but in equal measure chances are- it'll also burden people who can qualify for gun ownership, but don't want to go through such a lengthy or expensive process just to own a firearm.

The nature of gun control is that it can't be done or implemented perfectly and that there will be winners and losers from it.

[Page]

It's a sad situation. It does sound like this guy's actions might be justifiable as self-defense, but it's still tragic that these kids are dead.

[Loben The 2nd]

Wonder how shitty the parents were.

[Thermodolia]

You know what would’ve been great? If the teens weren’t armed.

Also, fuck stand your ground.

I too wish for a land filled with rainbows, lollipops, and unicorns

[Thermodolia]

When the gunfire erupted, neighbor Brian Jenkins said he hit the floor and then checked to see if his wife was OK.

Correct order.

The only thing that makes me go 'huh' is that this all went down at 4am.. I guess we need wait for more details.

Getting up at 0400 is normal around here. Especially if you live in conyers and work in Atlanta