California loses right to set emissions standards.

[Rojava Free State]

That would go against the First Amendment, but I may be biased as I think kicking California the hell out and not letting them vote in our elections would be pretty desirable.

I’m a die hard unionist. Anyone who supports said movements should be arrested for sedition. The Union is Eternal

you do realize our country was founded by secessionists right?

Also, I believe heavily on self determination. If Americans don't wanna be one nation anymore,we shouldn't force them to live as one when we can have an amicable divorce

[Thermodolia]

Should be a federal crime to support that movement

I don't see why. If a majority of cali voters wanna leave, let them. Keeping California isn't worth it if violence is the price

Would say the same thing about the CSA? Because I sure wouldn’t.

[Antityranicals]

Here's a good one. I've got more if you'd like.

https://mises.org/wire/if-i-were-corpor ... -228743717

I'd prefer more, as Mises is known to be fairly biases and not very factual.

Known by whom? I call BS on that one. It might be biased, but it's most certainly factual, and that's what matters.

[Grand Britannia]

And florida, too.

>They fear Floridaman

yes, yes, he can smell fear, too

[Bear Stearns]

I don't see why. If a majority of cali voters wanna leave, let them. Keeping California isn't worth it if violence is the price

Would say the same thing about the CSA? Because I sure wouldn’t.

I would. I would be happy if the US had a peaceful break up.

[Bear Stearns]

That would go against the First Amendment, but I may be biased as I think kicking California the hell out and not letting them vote in our elections would be pretty desirable.

I’m a die hard unionist. Anyone who supports said movements should be arrested for sedition. The Union is Eternal

People thought the USSR was eternal...until it wasn't.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

You can't [secede from the Union].

Yes you can. The fact that we were and are hypocrites about it doesn't change the fact that the American people have a right to alter or abolish the governments instituted over them.]

The same goes with Crimea, Dontesk, Novoroyssia, Transisteria, Abkhazia, Somaliland, Liberland, Hong Kong, Macau, Uighurstan.....

[Telconi]

Normally, I'd be the first man to jump into making this exact argument and deep down, you are right. States' rights is the most important issue in America today.

The problem is that their standards are interfering with the ability of other states to define theirs. California is such a huge state and has so much control in its region that car companies are bowing to California and catering to them, to meet their standards, shafting the smaller companies and driving the cost of automobiles up nationwide.

The question leads down to this: if California swings its regulatory fist, does it end at every other state's nose? California's huge market demand makes car companies cater to them. Is this right?



That's why I am such a proud supporter of the Yes California Independence Movement and some day, a donor. Releasing California as its own nation would be the best thing to happen to the United States of America, as long as we still had access to their ports.

Should be a federal crime to support that movement

It should be a federal crime to oppose it.

[Grand Britannia]

I’m a die hard unionist. Anyone who supports said movements should be arrested for sedition. The Union is Eternal

People thought the USSR was eternal...until it wasn't.

Difference is the USSR was held together by tape and glue, and things happened when Gorbachev took a hose to clean up the place.

[Bear Stearns]

People thought the USSR was eternal...until it wasn't.

Difference is the USSR was held together by tape and glue, and things happened when Gorbachev took a hose to clean up the place.

And the United States is not?!?

I honestly get the vibe that Trump is our Gorbachev.

[Thermodolia]

I’m a die hard unionist. Anyone who supports said movements should be arrested for sedition. The Union is Eternal

you do realize our country was founded by secessionists right?

Yes. But that doesn’t mean I need to support breaking my own nation up.

Also, I believe heavily on self determination.

I don’t.

If Americans don't wanna be one nation anymore,we shouldn't force them to live as one when we can have an amicable divorce

I disagree.

Should be a federal crime to support that movement

It was a parliamentary, royal, and admiralty crime to support the United States of America seceding from the United Kingdom.

And?

That case was not true for Dixie and is not true for California and Texas. The right to secede and self-determination is, and should be, absolute, assuming the consent of the people involved.

SCOTUS disagrees with you. You can’t leave the US. Self determination is dumb.

Now let’s get back on track. Trump is an idiot and can’t do what he thinks he can

[Antityranicals]

Difference is the USSR was held together by tape and glue, and things happened when Gorbachev took a hose to clean up the place.

And the United States is not?!?

I honestly get the vibe that Trump is our Gorbachev.

The United States was so sturdy going into the 20th century that 100 years of statism haven't irredeemably messed it up yet, I doubt Trump will.

[Ayytaly]

*deep inhaling*

Do you smell what the GOP is cooking?

[Grand Britannia]

Difference is the USSR was held together by tape and glue, and things happened when Gorbachev took a hose to clean up the place.

And the United States is not?!?

I honestly get the vibe that Trump is our Gorbachev.

We literally had a civil war where states fought each other and still ended up united, people are blowing this way out of proportion.

[Antityranicals]

you do realize our country was founded by secessionists right?

Yes. But that doesn’t mean I need to support breaking my own nation up.

Also, I believe heavily on self determination.

I don’t.

If Americans don't wanna be one nation anymore,we shouldn't force them to live as one when we can have an amicable divorce

I disagree.

It was a parliamentary, royal, and admiralty crime to support the United States of America seceding from the United Kingdom.

And?

That case was not true for Dixie and is not true for California and Texas. The right to secede and self-determination is, and should be, absolute, assuming the consent of the people involved.

SCOTUS disagrees with you. You can’t leave the US. Self determination is dumb.

Now let’s get back on track. Trump is an idiot and can’t do what he thinks he can

Why exactly is it that we ought not allow succession? I'd like a more intelligent answer than "It's dumb."

[Thermodolia]

Should be a federal crime to support that movement

It should be a federal crime to oppose it.

What if I make you supreme governor of California?

[Telconi]

And the United States is not?!?

I honestly get the vibe that Trump is our Gorbachev.

We literally had a civil war where states fought each other and still ended up united, people are blowing this way out of proportion.

"""United""" is that what you call this?

[TURTLESHROOM II]

The state never had a right to violate the more important rights of the individual.

The company never had a right to mess with the earth for profit.

We are Creation's master, superior to all life that exists and ever will exist. We have Dominion over the planet. The earth God's footstoll AND ours. It exists to be exploited, harvested, and commanded by and for man and man alone.

We are in turn obligated by God to do this responsibly, so I obviously recycle, refuse to litter, not waste, don't pollute, etc. etc. etc., but I do not consider the earth or anything in it to be my equal..

Also, I reiterate: I do not support Trump's move to deny California its states' rights.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

*deep inhaling*

Do you smell what the GOP is cooking?

Bullshit? Is that it?

[Thermodolia]

Yes. But that doesn’t mean I need to support breaking my own nation up.


I don’t.


I disagree.


And?


SCOTUS disagrees with you. You can’t leave the US. Self determination is dumb.

Now let’s get back on track. Trump is an idiot and can’t do what he thinks he can

Why exactly is it that we ought not allow succession? I'd like a more intelligent answer than "It's dumb."

Because the Union is Eternal and we fought a war to keep it that way. Plus I’m a die hard nationalist

Anyway that’s enough of that

[Grand Britannia]

We literally had a civil war where states fought each other and still ended up united, people are blowing this way out of proportion.

"""United""" is that what you call this?

What's california going to do if it leaves an is no longer getting military and federal investment? Things are still better than they were in the 70s.

[Fartsniffage]

Should be a federal crime to support that movement

It was a parliamentary, royal, and admiralty crime to support the United States of America seceding from the United Kingdom.

That case was not true for Dixie and is not true for California and Texas. The right to secede and self-determination is, and should be, absolute, assuming the consent of the people involved.

Except when California decides to set higher emissions standards than the rest of the US. Then it's time for the Fed to step in and squash it.

[Antityranicals]

Why exactly is it that we ought not allow succession? I'd like a more intelligent answer than "It's dumb."

Because the Union is Eternal and we fought a war to keep it that way. Plus I’m a die hard nationalist

Anyway that’s enough of that

I've got no problem with the Union being eternal, but why should California be part of it?

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

Its really quite sad how selfish you are.

Come up with something new for once rather than spout the same words a phrases over and over again. Zero emissions is not possible, the idea Cali had is a pipe dream.

Zero human-emitted carbon emissions is not a question of if, but when, and once thorium power is invented and rolled out into the world in the later portion of the 21st century, fossil fuels shall finally be a thing of the past.

[Grand Britannia]

Because the Union is Eternal and we fought a war to keep it that way. Plus I’m a die hard nationalist

Anyway that’s enough of that

I've got no problem with the Union being eternal, but why should California be part of it?

Just eject LA and San Fran into the pacific and you have a decent state with decent sights.