California loses right to set emissions standards.

[Crockerland]

Dude if all the birds died off it’s likely we wouldn’t exist on this planet

With attitudes like haven's it could happen

Not sure about haven, but since you advocate a total ban on fishing and hunting, there would definitely be mass extinctions if world leaders adopted your attitudes.

[Proctopeo]

Some birds are pretty, some are annoying, many are both.
One screaming at your bedroom from the windowsill is entirely different from one in a tree on the other side of your lawn singing.

Deal with it. They have a the same right to exist as you do and the same right to occupy that land. They were there first.

It's my right as a denizen of this world to shoo former dinosaurs from my vicinity if they annoy me. Deal with it.

[Tornado Queendom]

Because letting California force 0% emissions and punish people with jail time WILL eventually lead to the DEATH PENALTY for littering

Maybe they're not going THAT far, but California forcing 0% emissions on everyone will only ruin their economy and force people to leave to better states.

No it wont. Humans arent all that matter. There are other creatures besides us and we shouldnt treat them and their homes like this big annoyance.

Yes we should, because I see animals as degenerates.

ALL HAIL THE HOMO SAPIENS MASTER SPECIES!

[Telconi]

Yeah, gonna need some sauce on this.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... ow-128671/

President Donald Trump has imposed a 30 percent tax on imported solar panels, a move that’s expected to pull the plug on tens of thousands of American jobs, while slowing the rush to renewable energy and rewarding fossil-fuel producers.

Power companies losing profits on solar is kind of a given, I suppose.

I can see how that could be problematic in regards to solar access, but that isn't a "Red state" and they're not taxing solar systems. It's in import tariff on foreign manufactured panels.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Supremacy clause.

I dont believe there is a federal law on fuel standards therefore supremacy clause does not apply

Commerce clause?

[Neutraligon]

They are fighting it. I am also wondering under what right does the president have to nullify it.

Supremacy clause.

Besides there was no federal law passed to allow it, only an understanding with epa. Epa as a federal agency simply revokes that understanding.

I don''t think the supremacy clause stands here, especially since the standards are more stringent. I believe that there are similar things for things like drug treatment programs, where the federal government sets the minimum but states can go over that.

[San Lumen]

With attitudes like haven's it could happen

Not sure about haven, but since you advocate a total ban on fishing and hunting, there would definitely be mass extinctions if world leaders adopted your attitudes.

Their might not be a problem with overpopulation

Deal with it. They have a the same right to exist as you do and the same right to occupy that land. They were there first.

It's my right as a denizen of this world to shoo former dinosaurs from my vicinity if they annoy me. Deal with it.

You can shoo them but birds were there first therefore we should not treat them and their homes like an irritant.

[Dresderstan]

Because getting an entire state as big and populated like Cali to go zero emissions is definitely easy and probable, guess what it's not.

It is entirely possible. If we all saw the big picture and stopped caring about just ourselves and more dough we could get it done.

Yeah, that's not gonna happen, most people are not gonna risk their lifestyle just to fit your narrative and ideology.

[San Lumen]

I dont believe there is a federal law on fuel standards therefore supremacy clause does not apply

Commerce clause?

Not sure about that either. Plus the car companies will move on without the administration. Electric cars and other non gas cars are the future whether people like it or not.

[Tornado Queendom]

With attitudes like haven's it could happen

Not sure about haven, but since you advocate a total ban on fishing and hunting, there would definitely be mass extinctions if world leaders adopted your attitudes.

I agree with you, and it's better to have a few CO2 emissions than have a mass-extinction because there's nobody left to stop invasive species from doing evil deeds.

[Neutraligon]

I dont believe there is a federal law on fuel standards therefore supremacy clause does not apply

Commerce clause?

Which does not prevent states from setting more stringent standards.

[San Lumen]

It is entirely possible. If we all saw the big picture and stopped caring about just ourselves and more dough we could get it done.

Yeah, that's not gonna happen, most people are not gonna risk their lifestyle just to fit your narrative and ideology.

Then enjoy giving your children a ruined polluted world where the future conversation I posted is a reality

[Telconi]

With attitudes like haven's it could happen

Not sure about haven, but since you advocate a total ban on fishing and hunting, there would definitely be mass extinctions if world leaders adopted your attitudes.

Clearly genocide is the morally superior option to shooting noisy birds away.

[San Lumen]

Not sure about haven, but since you advocate a total ban on fishing and hunting, there would definitely be mass extinctions if world leaders adopted your attitudes.

I agree with you, and it's better to have a few CO2 emissions than have a mass-extinction because there's nobody left to stop invasive species from doing evil deeds.

Nature had a way before that and do you know what caused invasive species? We did.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Not sure about haven, but since you advocate a total ban on fishing and hunting, there would definitely be mass extinctions if world leaders adopted your attitudes.

Their might not be a problem with overpopulation

It's my right as a denizen of this world to shoo former dinosaurs from my vicinity if they annoy me. Deal with it.

You can shoo them but birds were there first therefore we should not treat them and their homes like an irritant.

I don't see your constituency. Until we give birds a vote, more people will care about human life than animal life.

[Telconi]

Commerce clause?

Which does not prevent states from setting more stringent standards.

This is 2019, the commerce clause can be used to justify anything.

[Diopolis]

Not sure about haven, but since you advocate a total ban on fishing and hunting, there would definitely be mass extinctions if world leaders adopted your attitudes.

Their might not be a problem with overpopulation

It's my right as a denizen of this world to shoo former dinosaurs from my vicinity if they annoy me. Deal with it.

You can shoo them but birds were there first therefore we should not treat them and their homes like an irritant.

Humans are the superior species. Earth was made and given to the custody of humanity, not some punk flying dinners.

[San Lumen]

Their might not be a problem with overpopulation

You can shoo them but birds were there first therefore we should not treat them and their homes like an irritant.

I don't see your constituency. Until we give birds a vote, more people will care about human life than animal life.

I care more about animals than humans considering how we are slowly destroying this planet.

[Tornado Queendom]

Commerce clause?

Not sure about that either. Plus the car companies will move on without the administration. Electric cars and other non gas cars are the future whether people like it or not.

What if I only want to drive vintage cars?!

If gas cars are banned, a black market will likely show up selling vintage cars. Not necessarily making them, but selling them.

If legal companies don't sell retro cars, then crime operations WILL.

Let me ask you something: would you rather give your money to a company that cares about quality cars or a crime organization that funds terrorism?!

[San Lumen]

Their might not be a problem with overpopulation

You can shoo them but birds were there first therefore we should not treat them and their homes like an irritant.

Humans are the superior species. Earth was made and given to the custody of humanity, not some punk flying dinners.

People like you are what is wrong with this world

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Which does not prevent states from setting more stringent standards.

This is 2019, the commerce clause can be used to justify anything.

The federal government tried to use it to create a new civil tort, luckily that idea was told to die by Renquist.

[Telconi]

I agree with you, and it's better to have a few CO2 emissions than have a mass-extinction because there's nobody left to stop invasive species from doing evil deeds.

Nature had a way before that and do you know what caused invasive species? We did.

Nature's way is local species killing invasive species. So if I shoot an annoying pigeon with a shotgun, that's nature's way.

[Ethel mermania]

Supremacy clause.

I dont believe there is a federal law on fuel standards therefore supremacy clause does not apply

Ah but there are. CAFE

https://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

I sense that this is directly connected to the situation going on with BMW, Ford, Honda and Volkswagen wanting to go with California’s emission standards over Trump’s unnecessarily lax standards which just shines an even bigger light on Trump’s pettiness.

Supremacy clause.

I dont believe there is a federal law on fuel standards therefore supremacy clause does not apply

Clean Air Act.

[Neutraligon]

Which does not prevent states from setting more stringent standards.

This is 2019, the commerce clause can be used to justify anything.

It really can't.