Gay Person Punched, Pinned Down By Oklahoma Congregation

[Salus Maior]

I would not say that the church should be shut down but an investigation should for sure be launched and anyone who is found to have participated in the attack should be charged.

Then I’ll say it. Shut down the church

Not how the law works, bro-cha-cho.

Separation of Church and State goes both ways. Although, if it makes you feel any better, if most of the congregation is charged for participating in this, the church as an organization will probably fall apart anyway.

[Salus Maior]

People screaming to ban religion and close the facility down, just like half the folks in this thread are doing to the xtians now?

There's a point here.

If you're a secularist totalitarian, sure.

But I'm not a fan of being persecuted for something I didn't, and wouldn't, do.

[The Holy Therns]

There's a point here.

If you're a secularist totalitarian, sure.

But I'm not a fan of being persecuted for something I didn't, and wouldn't, do.

It was not, however, whatever point you seem to have read into it.

[Salus Maior]

If you're a secularist totalitarian, sure.

But I'm not a fan of being persecuted for something I didn't, and wouldn't, do.

It was not, however, whatever point you seem to have read into it.

There were two points: Using government force to shut down churches, and banning religion.

Both of which pertain to my point.

[Gormwood]

We know the reaction had this been a mosque.

The usual suspects would carefully dodge any substantive engagement on whether there's any problems with Islamic teachings, while snarkily insinuating that anyone who does so criticise is likely a fascist alt-righter who doesn't really care about the gays anyway.

So far one person attributes this to Christianity as a whole rather than a specific church, and nobody has asked if there's any problems with Christian teachings.

[Ethel mermania]

It was not, however, whatever point you seem to have read into it.

There were two points: Using government force to shut down churches, and banning religion.

Both of which pertain to my point.

No, the point that therns was agreeing with was mine, and it was my point that I was making and being agreed with by therns, my point was that folks on this site are going to scream about banning religion no matter which religion is in question for whatever practice they may or not have done.

Which was my point, that I thought of myself.

no one will get this reference

[The Holy Therns]

It was not, however, whatever point you seem to have read into it.

There were two points: Using government force to shut down churches, and banning religion.

Both of which pertain to my point.

Or I could, just spitballing here, been agreeing with Ethel that the outrage Gormwood was trying to compare this to was basically the same as the outrage actually occurring in the thread. That could, hypothetically, be the point Ethel made that I was concurring with.

[Salus Maior]

The usual suspects would carefully dodge any substantive engagement on whether there's any problems with Islamic teachings, while snarkily insinuating that anyone who does so criticise is likely a fascist alt-righter who doesn't really care about the gays anyway.

So far one person attributes this to Christianity as a whole rather than a specific church, and nobody has asked if there's any problems with Christian teachings.

Wait a minute and you'll get more.

This is NSG, in a few pages the topic is going to drift to something like the existence of God, or whether or not religion should be banned or whatever.

[-Ocelot-]

Has there ever been any other kind of Christianity?

I mean, considering that there are 30,000+ different Christian denominations, yeah.

Can you name one that is pro-LGBT rights?

[Ethel mermania]

I mean, considering that there are 30,000+ different Christian denominations, yeah.

Can you name one that is pro-LGBT rights?

Episcopalian

[Dumb Ideologies]

The usual suspects would carefully dodge any substantive engagement on whether there's any problems with Islamic teachings, while snarkily insinuating that anyone who does so criticise is likely a fascist alt-righter who doesn't really care about the gays anyway.

So far one person attributes this to Christianity as a whole rather than a specific church, and nobody has asked if there's any problems with Christian teachings.

And there would certainly be a lot more people patrolling the thread suspiciously looking for subtle signs of phobia in the chorus of condemnations if it happened in a mosque.

This is all fascinating, but can we skip to the grand revelation you're seeking to get out of this hypothetical, and reveal why shoehorning Islam into a conflict between a church and a gay individual was necessary?

[Salus Maior]

I mean, considering that there are 30,000+ different Christian denominations, yeah.

Can you name one that is pro-LGBT rights?

ELCA, PCUSA, Episcopals (well, most of them), etc.

However, retaining an orthodox view of sexuality does not equal violating a person's dignity in this way. I certainly would never support this kind of behavior, let alone participate in it.

[Dylar]

I mean, considering that there are 30,000+ different Christian denominations, yeah.

Can you name one that is pro-LGBT rights?

Non-denominational churches. Methodists, some Anglican branches, some Lutheran branches, some "Catholic" churches that are not in communion with Rome, etc.

It should also be noted that the Roman Catholic Church does not view homosexuality as a sin. Rather all of the actions accompanied with it are considered a sin. Ex. Gay marriage, gay sex, etc.

[Crockerland]

Can't wait for the church to invoke Freedom of Religion to defend this.

they can't. Freedom of religion doesnt exempt you from all laws.

Some people certainly want it to.

[Salus Maior]

they can't. Freedom of religion doesnt exempt you from all laws.

Some people certainly want it to.

Well, they're going to be disappointed.

[Farnhamia]

Not how things work.

Burn them.then ?

*looms ominously* Don't advocate such things, not even in jest.

[Thermodolia]

I really don’t care. Shutdown the church and arrest those responsible. We should shutdown several other “churches” while we’re at it

There are rules that have to be followed. You can't just bend or ignore the law because you feel like it or dont like it. The law is changed by those in power.

Yes I can. What do you think people who change the law do? If I was in power this church, along with several others, would be permanently shutdown

[Salus Maior]

There are rules that have to be followed. You can't just bend or ignore the law because you feel like it or dont like it. The law is changed by those in power.

Yes I can. What do you think people who change the law do? If I was in power this church, along with several others, would be permanently shutdown

Which is precisely why you're not in power, or are going to be.

[Dylar]

There are rules that have to be followed. You can't just bend or ignore the law because you feel like it or dont like it. The law is changed by those in power.

Yes I can. What do you think people who change the law do? If I was in power this church, along with several others, would be permanently shutdown

Well, its a good thing you aren't, then

[Thermodolia]

Yes I can. What do you think people who change the law do? If I was in power this church, along with several others, would be permanently shutdown

Which is precisely why you're not in power, or are going to be.

Well not yet

[Thermodolia]

Then I’ll say it. Shut down the church

Not how the law works, bro-cha-cho.

Don’t really give a shit.

Separation of Church and State goes both ways. Although, if it makes you feel any better, if most of the congregation is charged for participating in this, the church as an organization will probably fall apart anyway.

Others like it should be shutdown anyway

[San Lumen]

There are rules that have to be followed. You can't just bend or ignore the law because you feel like it or dont like it. The law is changed by those in power.

Yes I can. What do you think people who change the law do? If I was in power this church, along with several others, would be permanently shutdown

Good thing your not then. Instead of saying what you would do why don’t you run for state legislature or congress next year?

[Crockerland]

We know the reaction had this been a mosque.

We would hear for weeks on end about how Islam means peace (even though the prophet of Islam called for gay people to be hunted down and murdered), and CNN would do interviews with Muslims talking about how they fear Islamophobia would increase as a result of the incident.

[Salus Maior]

Don’t really give a shit.

And yet another reason why you wouldn't be in power. Or be very successful.

The law exists for a reason, people expect people to abide by it. It's how society works, you can't always get what you want. And to attempt to force your way against the law, against the expectations of society, is tyranny.

[Thermodolia]

Yes I can. What do you think people who change the law do? If I was in power this church, along with several others, would be permanently shutdown

Good thing your not then. Instead of saying what you would do why don’t you run for state legislature or congress next year?

How many times have we told you to stop being so patronizing? You do realize how expensive it is to run for office? The majority of the working class, which im a member of, cannot afford it.