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Gay Person Punched, Pinned Down By Oklahoma Congregation

Postby Oldenfranck » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:06 pm

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out ... d_nn_tw_ma

https://www.news9.com/story/41055476/sa ... urch-group

Just the fact that even they won't flat out deny it....

Anyways, those rubes will be surprised to learn in the afterlife that the demented idea they have of Jesus wanting them to beat up homosexuals is wrong.

Should the church be shut down? Should a judge ask for video records if cameras were there? Do some of you flat out deny it like one of my conservative friends from Washington state has? So much to say.
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Postby Andsed » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:16 pm

I would not say that the church should be shut down but an investigation should for sure be launched and anyone who is found to have participated in the attack should be charged.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:21 pm

Completely utterly unacceptable. A judge absolutely should ask for video evidence if there are cameras. Whoever was involved in this should be arrested and face federal hate crime charges.
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Postby The Rapture Republic » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:22 pm

No, the Chuch shouldn't be shut down I see that as a violation of the right to the freedom of Religion but I do believe the person that punched the man should be charged with assault.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:23 pm

The stories seem to indicate that the violence was done by the family members. I am curious what the investigation and video shows.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:27 pm

Talk about being a grade A snowflake. Imagine being violently triggered because a guy is attracted to men, so you attack him.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:39 pm

The Rapture Republic wrote:No, the Chuch shouldn't be shut down I see that as a violation of the right to the freedom of Religion but I do believe the person that punched the man should be charged with assault.

A church has no right to kidnap a person
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Postby Telconi » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:41 pm

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The Rapture Republic wrote:No, the Chuch shouldn't be shut down I see that as a violation of the right to the freedom of Religion but I do believe the person that punched the man should be charged with assault.

A church has no right to kidnap a person


You need to actually prove they did this tho.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:44 pm

Telconi wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:A church has no right to kidnap a person


You need to actually prove they did this tho.

Of course. If the story provided then from what I can tell by Oklahoma law it is legally kidnapping. https://law.justia.com/codes/oklahoma/2 ... on-21-741/
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Postby Telconi » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:46 pm

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You need to actually prove they did this tho.

Of course. If the story provided then from what I can tell by Oklahoma law it is legally kidnapping. https://law.justia.com/codes/oklahoma/2 ... on-21-741/


I wasn't questioning the commission of a crime, although as I understand it this is just the man's accusations. I was questioning rather the church, as an entity, did anything wrong. You can't shut down an organization because a person or people in it do bad things.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:48 pm

Telconi wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Of course. If the story provided then from what I can tell by Oklahoma law it is legally kidnapping. https://law.justia.com/codes/oklahoma/2 ... on-21-741/


I wasn't questioning the commission of a crime, although as I understand it this is just the man's accusations. I was questioning rather the church, as an entity, did anything wrong. You can't shut down an organization because a person or people in it do bad things.

I did not say anything about shutting down the church. I should probably have been more clear, just because people are religious and believe that they can pray away the gay does not mean that they get to kidnap a person due to their freedom of religion.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:01 pm

Andsed wrote:I would not say that the church should be shut down but an investigation should for sure be launched and anyone who is found to have participated in the attack should be charged.

Then I’ll say it. Shut down the church
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:11 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Telconi wrote:
You need to actually prove they did this tho.

Of course. If the story provided then from what I can tell by Oklahoma law it is legally kidnapping. https://law.justia.com/codes/oklahoma/2 ... on-21-741/

Story seems to imply it was the family.
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Postby Bombadil » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:51 pm

Pretty tragic how this stuff tears families apart. I mean it's quite brave to accept an invitation to a church in Oklahoma and probably only done to try for some reconciliation because it's family. We often talk of societal rejection but it's really the very personal stuff that I think people struggle with.

There's a very touching documentary called Bridesmaid, I think, that kind of covers this.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:43 pm

The congregation should be publicly shamed and broken up. Despicable.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:52 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Of course. If the story provided then from what I can tell by Oklahoma law it is legally kidnapping. https://law.justia.com/codes/oklahoma/2 ... on-21-741/

Story seems to imply it was the family.

The man's 23. Detaining a legal adult against their will could still meet the definition of kidnapping, even if the people who did it were family.

As for the story, the Church should not be shut down but every person involved in the attack should be charged for their part in it and face criminal penalties.

If it were another state, it should and would probably be treated as a hate crime (because what is a hate crime, if not attacking someone for their inalienable characteristics), but it appears that Oklahoma law does not extend that protection to LGBT+ persons.
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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:23 pm

Looks wrong on the churches part lets see what the other witnesses and recordings say.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:25 pm

I’m incredibly sorry this happened to him.
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Postby Xmara » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:30 pm

There definitely needs to be an investigation opened on the church and those involved with this attack should be charged.

But having the church shut down? I don't know. I think it depends on what the results of the investigation are.
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Postby US-SSR » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:40 pm

A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, who stripped him of his clothing, wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead. Now by chance a certain priest came down that road. And when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. Likewise a Levite, when he arrived at the place, came and looked, and passed by on the other side. But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was. And when he saw him, he had compassion. So he went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine; and he set him on his own animal, brought him to an inn, and took care of him. On the next day, when he departed, he took out two denarii, gave them to the innkeeper, and said to him, ‘Take care of him; and whatever more you spend, when I come again, I will repay you.’ So which of these three do you think was neighbor to him who fell among the thieves?”

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Not only did these deplorable homophobes pass by on the other side, they kicked the guy square in the nuts. Vengeance is mine, sayeth the LORD, I shall repay.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:41 pm

Refuse to turn off adblocker to read the article. How did this guy get pinned down? Was he kidnapped and forcibly dragged into the church? Did his family bring him there? Or was just some weirdo who decided to go along with it?
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:31 pm

Can't wait for the church to invoke Freedom of Religion to defend this.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:35 pm

For a moment I thought this read, "Oklahoma Congress." Which is disturbingly plausible.

Condolences to the guy all the same. That sucks more then I can easily convey.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:17 pm

Gormwood wrote:Can't wait for the church to invoke Freedom of Religion to defend this.

they can't. Freedom of religion doesnt exempt you from all laws.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:25 pm

Time to close down the church.
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