Gun Control 2022 (IV) - Gun Rights, Control, & Government

[American Legionaries]

Police can no longer stop people for simply carrying so its easier to get away with it illegally.

No. Just no. What even makes you think that? They can still stop people to see if they are carrying legally. Stop making shit up, pal, and maybe start adding some evidence to at least show some sort of good-faith effort to back up your batshit claims.

Daily reminder, this guy wants to be a cop.

[Informed Consent]

In every other developed country a large mass shooting ends in firearm confiscation and strict rules to acquire. In the US people go and buy more guns.

And?
We are a community of nations. Not a hive mind.
Besides, US states with stricter gun control laws boast significantly higher rates of gun deaths.
Not to mention that in typical progressive fashion, minorities are disproportionately impacted negatively by progressive gun policies.
Add to that the fact that less than ten percent of American violent crime involves a gun begs the question of what anti-gun advocates actually hope to accomplish.
It cannot be improved public safety since there are other key aspects of American culture that can be redressed for greater benefit.
Depriving civil liberties just because you are afraid of what people will do with them smacks of
intellectual cowardice and dishonesty.

[The Two Jerseys]

No. Just no. What even makes you think that? They can still stop people to see if they are carrying legally. Stop making shit up, pal, and maybe start adding some evidence to at least show some sort of good-faith effort to back up your batshit claims.

Daily reminder, this guy wants to be a cop.

Probably got the inspiration from watching "We Own This City"...

[Sordhau]

No. Just no. What even makes you think that? They can still stop people to see if they are carrying legally. Stop making shit up, pal, and maybe start adding some evidence to at least show some sort of good-faith effort to back up your batshit claims.

Daily reminder, this guy wants to be a cop.

Anybody who wants to be a cop is automatically on my shitlist.

[Grinning Dragon]

Just like Tobacco we should make it illegal to advertise. Got my first emailed advertisement offering to help me get my conceal carry license which I promptly unsubscribed from.

If I were in the legislature I'd also require GPS apps to remove gun stores from their maps. Make them harder to find.

*Scream at the sky achievement unlocked*

[Germanic Templars]

The supreme court's Christian rights first victim

20 year old mother in Uptown Manhattan (wealthy affluent low crime) shot in the back of the head while pushing stroller. Thanks SC.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/30/us/new-y ... index.html

And a man shot at 3 men who tried to break into his high-end clothing store back in 2015.
It turns out that criminals don't care who you are - until they find out how well armed you are and you can actively fight back.

[Oskenia]

It turns out that criminals don't care who you are - until they find out how well armed you are and you can actively fight back.

That guy needs some training, just randomly blasting towards the door is not effective and can lead to collateral. He barely even shouldered it. I hope he got a lot of range time after that event.

[Paddy O Fernature]

It turns out that criminals don't care who you are - until they find out how well armed you are and you can actively fight back.

That guy needs some training, just randomly blasting towards the door is not effective and can lead to collateral. He barely even shouldered it. I hope he got a lot of range time after that event.

Considering he fired six, maybe seven shots and stuck one guy three times, he already has a hit ratio nearly double that of the police average.

[Germanic Templars]

It turns out that criminals don't care who you are - until they find out how well armed you are and you can actively fight back.

That guy needs some training, just randomly blasting towards the door is not effective and can lead to collateral. He barely even shouldered it. I hope he got a lot of range time after that event.

No doubt, though I do suspect the situation was rather intense for him, possibly to the point of having some tunnel vision when the robbers came busting into the store.

[Grinning Dragon]

Missed this today, USSC vacated a ruling in Bianchi v. Frosh in the 4th circuit (upheld Marylands scary rifle ban) and told the court to reconsider the case due to the 2 step interest balance bullshit has been shit-canned. Along with that, the USSC sent a few other cases back down to the lower courts for reconsideration under Bruen.

Young v. Hawaii — Challenges Hawaii’s ban on open carry as infringing citizens’ Second Amendment right to bear firearms outside the home.

Bianchi v. Frosh — Challenges Maryland’s “assault weapons” ban under Heller’s common use language.

ANJRPC v. Grewal — Challenges New Jersey’s “high capacity” magazine ban for violating the Second Amendment, the takings clause of the Fifth Amendment, and the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

Duncan v. Bonta — Challenges California’s “high capacity” magazine ban as violating the Second and Fifth Amendments as well as the two-step interest-balancing process explicitly repudiated in the Bruen ruling.

Supreme Court Sends Key Gun Control Cases Back to Lower Courts for Reconsideration Under Bruen

FPC is also filing a motion in the 9th circus court to lift the stay on judge Benitez's ruling that california's scary rifle ban is unconstitutional. FPC argues that since Bruen has hit the shelves, the stay needs to go as it fails the test to keep it in place.
Firearms Policy Coalition Files Ninth Circuit Motion to Lift Stay of California’s Assault Weapons Ban Ruling

Today, the Firearms Policy Coalition filed a motion with the Ninth Circuit asking the court to lift its stay of Judge Benitez’s ruling, arguing that the Court can’t reasonably overturn Judge Benitez’s ruling on the merits given the new legal landscape.

It surely is going to get very interesting in the coming months. I sense a lot of sky screaming from anti gun dipshits.

[American Legionaries]

Missed this today, USSC vacated a ruling in Bianchi v. Frosh in the 4th circuit (upheld Marylands scary rifle ban) and told the court to reconsider the case due to the 2 step interest balance bullshit has been shit-canned. Along with that, the USSC sent a few other cases back down to the lower courts for reconsideration under Bruen.

Young v. Hawaii — Challenges Hawaii’s ban on open carry as infringing citizens’ Second Amendment right to bear firearms outside the home.

Bianchi v. Frosh — Challenges Maryland’s “assault weapons” ban under Heller’s common use language.

ANJRPC v. Grewal — Challenges New Jersey’s “high capacity” magazine ban for violating the Second Amendment, the takings clause of the Fifth Amendment, and the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

Duncan v. Bonta — Challenges California’s “high capacity” magazine ban as violating the Second and Fifth Amendments as well as the two-step interest-balancing process explicitly repudiated in the Bruen ruling.

Supreme Court Sends Key Gun Control Cases Back to Lower Courts for Reconsideration Under Bruen

FPC is also filing a motion in the 9th circus court to lift the stay on judge Benitez's ruling that california's scary rifle ban is unconstitutional. FPC argues that since Bruen has hit the shelves, the stay needs to go as it fails the test to keep it in place.
Firearms Policy Coalition Files Ninth Circuit Motion to Lift Stay of California’s Assault Weapons Ban Ruling

Today, the Firearms Policy Coalition filed a motion with the Ninth Circuit asking the court to lift its stay of Judge Benitez’s ruling, arguing that the Court can’t reasonably overturn Judge Benitez’s ruling on the merits given the new legal landscape.

It surely is going to get very interesting in the coming months. I sense a lot of sky screaming from anti gun dipshits.

Given the new directives, it would just be easier on the circuit courts if they kill all that trash, it's only a waste of time to send it up to SCOTUS.

[Thomasi]

Missed this today, USSC vacated a ruling in Bianchi v. Frosh in the 4th circuit (upheld Marylands scary rifle ban) and told the court to reconsider the case due to the 2 step interest balance bullshit has been shit-canned. Along with that, the USSC sent a few other cases back down to the lower courts for reconsideration under Bruen.

Young v. Hawaii — Challenges Hawaii’s ban on open carry as infringing citizens’ Second Amendment right to bear firearms outside the home.

Bianchi v. Frosh — Challenges Maryland’s “assault weapons” ban under Heller’s common use language.

ANJRPC v. Grewal — Challenges New Jersey’s “high capacity” magazine ban for violating the Second Amendment, the takings clause of the Fifth Amendment, and the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

Duncan v. Bonta — Challenges California’s “high capacity” magazine ban as violating the Second and Fifth Amendments as well as the two-step interest-balancing process explicitly repudiated in the Bruen ruling.

Supreme Court Sends Key Gun Control Cases Back to Lower Courts for Reconsideration Under Bruen

FPC is also filing a motion in the 9th circus court to lift the stay on judge Benitez's ruling that california's scary rifle ban is unconstitutional. FPC argues that since Bruen has hit the shelves, the stay needs to go as it fails the test to keep it in place.
Firearms Policy Coalition Files Ninth Circuit Motion to Lift Stay of California’s Assault Weapons Ban Ruling

Today, the Firearms Policy Coalition filed a motion with the Ninth Circuit asking the court to lift its stay of Judge Benitez’s ruling, arguing that the Court can’t reasonably overturn Judge Benitez’s ruling on the merits given the new legal landscape.

It surely is going to get very interesting in the coming months. I sense a lot of sky screaming from anti gun dipshits.

The court is rouge Hawaii is one of the safest states in the Union they have on average 41 homicides 17 via firearm and 29 wounded.

Maryland has also been kept safe outside of Baltimore. 3.7 homicide rate if you remove the city. Absolute morons these judges for letting gangs and derranged persons get easy access to assault weapons and unlimited amounts of ammunition.

NJ has a 3.7 homicide rate so they are doing pretty well for themselves.

Califonia is 27/50th for homicides

https://southernmarylandchronicle.com/2 ... e-country/

I hope the lower courts don't strike these down force the supreme court to rule. Make them be the bad guys.

As a soon to be corrections officer and hopefully police officer in the next 3 years, I hope the Maryland state police and NJ state police (and every other gun restricted state in the north east) put out a statement telling any would be clowns that if you are seen with an assault rifle in public you will be held at gun point by the police. They need to know that exercising this "right" will only cause them trouble and put themselves in legal and logical danger since if someone calls to report someone they are afraid is going to start shooting, police are going to respond.

As for Hawaii they can simply keep guns restricted cause they are an island and block the transport of guns there. Full compliance would only make the island more dangerous for no fucking reason.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Missed this today, USSC vacated a ruling in Bianchi v. Frosh in the 4th circuit (upheld Marylands scary rifle ban) and told the court to reconsider the case due to the 2 step interest balance bullshit has been shit-canned. Along with that, the USSC sent a few other cases back down to the lower courts for reconsideration under Bruen.



Supreme Court Sends Key Gun Control Cases Back to Lower Courts for Reconsideration Under Bruen

FPC is also filing a motion in the 9th circus court to lift the stay on judge Benitez's ruling that california's scary rifle ban is unconstitutional. FPC argues that since Bruen has hit the shelves, the stay needs to go as it fails the test to keep it in place.
Firearms Policy Coalition Files Ninth Circuit Motion to Lift Stay of California’s Assault Weapons Ban Ruling



It surely is going to get very interesting in the coming months. I sense a lot of sky screaming from anti gun dipshits.

The court is rouge Hawaii is one of the safest states in the Union they have on average 41 homicides 17 via firearm and 29 wounded.

Maryland has also been kept safe outside of Baltimore. 3.7 homicide rate if you remove the city. Absolute morons these judges for letting gangs and derranged persons get easy access to assault weapons and unlimited amounts of ammunition.

NJ has a 3.7 homicide rate so they are doing pretty well for themselves.

Califonia is 27/50th for homicides

https://southernmarylandchronicle.com/2 ... e-country/

I hope the lower courts don't strike these down force the supreme court to rule. Make them be the bad guys.

As a soon to be corrections officer and hopefully police officer in the next 3 years, I hope the Maryland state police and NJ state police (and every other gun restricted state in the north east) put out a statement telling any would be clowns that if you are seen with an assault rifle in public you will be held at gun point by the police. They need to know that exercising this "right" will only cause them trouble and put themselves in legal and logical danger since if someone calls to report someone they are afraid is going to start shooting, police are going to respond.

As for Hawaii they can simply keep guns restricted cause they are an island and block the transport of guns there. Full compliance would only make the island more dangerous for no fucking reason.

With your attitude, I seriously hope whatever regulating authority takes a good, long look at whether you're suited to a law enforcement career.

[Thomasi]

The court is rouge Hawaii is one of the safest states in the Union they have on average 41 homicides 17 via firearm and 29 wounded.

Maryland has also been kept safe outside of Baltimore. 3.7 homicide rate if you remove the city. Absolute morons these judges for letting gangs and derranged persons get easy access to assault weapons and unlimited amounts of ammunition.

NJ has a 3.7 homicide rate so they are doing pretty well for themselves.

Califonia is 27/50th for homicides

https://southernmarylandchronicle.com/2 ... e-country/

I hope the lower courts don't strike these down force the supreme court to rule. Make them be the bad guys.

As a soon to be corrections officer and hopefully police officer in the next 3 years, I hope the Maryland state police and NJ state police (and every other gun restricted state in the north east) put out a statement telling any would be clowns that if you are seen with an assault rifle in public you will be held at gun point by the police. They need to know that exercising this "right" will only cause them trouble and put themselves in legal and logical danger since if someone calls to report someone they are afraid is going to start shooting, police are going to respond.

As for Hawaii they can simply keep guns restricted cause they are an island and block the transport of guns there. Full compliance would only make the island more dangerous for no fucking reason.

With your attitude, I seriously hope whatever regulating authority takes a good, long look at whether you're suited to a law enforcement career.

Not my fault the supreme court is trying to throw out every gun restriction during a gun crisis. The Qualified immunity doctrine and no requesting firearms doctrine are going clash.

[Gun Manufacturers]

With your attitude, I seriously hope whatever regulating authority takes a good, long look at whether you're suited to a law enforcement career.

Not my fault the supreme court is trying to throw out every gun restriction during a gun crisis. The Qualified immunity doctrine and no requesting firearms doctrine are going clash.

You're advocating for the government and police to manufacture hostile situations for gun owners SIMPLY for owning and carrying firearms, in order to punish them for daring to have a different political opinion than you. It absolutely is your fault.

[Islamic Essarn]

We need to repeal the Dicky Amendment because it is the major thing that stops effective gun control in the USA

[Thomasi]

Not my fault the supreme court is trying to throw out every gun restriction during a gun crisis. The Qualified immunity doctrine and no requesting firearms doctrine are going clash.

You're advocating for the government and police to manufacture hostile situations for gun owners SIMPLY for owning and carrying firearms, in order to punish them for daring to have a different political opinion than you. It absolutely is your fault.

It's called preventing a mass shooting, the police shouldn't try throw caution to the wind just to avoid infringing on an innocent person's rights when it comes to firearms. Anyone who would open carry an assault weapon in MD or NJ is literally just looking for trouble. Second amendment auditors aka looking for payout. Wearing it outside the range and being the only person with one is not only stupid but a real threat and police need to act to stop it.

[Atlantic Isles]

Maryland has also been kept safe outside of Baltimore. 3.7 homicide rate if you remove the city. Absolute morons these judges for letting gangs and derranged persons get easy access to assault weapons and unlimited amounts of ammunition.

As a soon to be corrections officer and hopefully police officer in the next 3 years, I hope the Maryland state police and NJ state police (and every other gun restricted state in the north east) put out a statement telling any would be clowns that if you are seen with an assault rifle in public you will be held at gun point by the police. They need to know that exercising this "right" will only cause them trouble and put themselves in legal and logical danger since if someone calls to report someone they are afraid is going to start shooting, police are going to respond.

Well, first off… the gangs and criminals were going to get weapons and ammunition regardless. They’re criminals, and that means that they don’t care that their weapons are illegal. Secondly (this coming from someone who lives just a few miles from Baltimore), I’m fairly certain that long guns aren’t the weapon of the gangs and criminals.

And regarding that second paragraph, odds are that someone with an assault rifle in public in the state of Maryland would be held at gunpoint, because (for the time being) scary-looking guns are heavily regulated here. Even so, it’s disappointing that you said “they need to know that exercising this “right” will only cause them trouble”. (First off, why is “right” in quotation marks?) It seems that you want people to be put in physical or legal jeopardy simply for exercising their right to bear arms.

Based on everything you’ve said, I can safely say that the business end of the pipe you’re using to smoke whatever you’re on must be hot to the touch.

[Galloism]

You're advocating for the government and police to manufacture hostile situations for gun owners SIMPLY for owning and carrying firearms, in order to punish them for daring to have a different political opinion than you. It absolutely is your fault.

It's called preventing a mass shooting, the police shouldn't try throw caution to the wind just to avoid infringing on an innocent person's rights when it comes to firearms. Anyone who would open carry an assault weapon in MD or NJ is literally just looking for trouble. Second amendment auditors aka looking for payout. Wearing it outside the range and being the only person with one is not only stupid but a real threat and police need to act to stop it.

Just so you know, "looking for trouble" is a victim blaming tactic used to blame murder victims, rape victims, assault victims, and the like, the world over.

You should probably stop using rhetorical tactics from victim blamers.

[Thomasi]

It's called preventing a mass shooting, the police shouldn't try throw caution to the wind just to avoid infringing on an innocent person's rights when it comes to firearms. Anyone who would open carry an assault weapon in MD or NJ is literally just looking for trouble. Second amendment auditors aka looking for payout. Wearing it outside the range and being the only person with one is not only stupid but a real threat and police need to act to stop it.

Just so you know, "looking for trouble" is a victim blaming tactic used to blame murder victims, rape victims, assault victims, and the like, the world over.

You should probably stop using rhetorical tactics from victim blamers.

If you are the only person in public with an assault weapon you are literally trying to cause panic.

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You're advocating for the government and police to manufacture hostile situations for gun owners SIMPLY for owning and carrying firearms, in order to punish them for daring to have a different political opinion than you. It absolutely is your fault.

It's called preventing a mass shooting, the police shouldn't try throw caution to the wind just to avoid infringing on an innocent person's rights when it comes to firearms. Anyone who would open carry an assault weapon in MD or NJ is literally just looking for trouble. Second amendment auditors aka looking for payout. Wearing it outside the range and being the only person with one is not only stupid but a real threat and police need to act to stop it.

How about police actually stop mass shootings by going in and shooting mass shooters instead of tucking their squiggly pink tails and running away like they did in Uvalde?

They're only willing to shoot unarmed black boys and dogs anyway.

[Grinning Dragon]

Missed this today, USSC vacated a ruling in Bianchi v. Frosh in the 4th circuit (upheld Marylands scary rifle ban) and told the court to reconsider the case due to the 2 step interest balance bullshit has been shit-canned. Along with that, the USSC sent a few other cases back down to the lower courts for reconsideration under Bruen.



Supreme Court Sends Key Gun Control Cases Back to Lower Courts for Reconsideration Under Bruen

FPC is also filing a motion in the 9th circus court to lift the stay on judge Benitez's ruling that california's scary rifle ban is unconstitutional. FPC argues that since Bruen has hit the shelves, the stay needs to go as it fails the test to keep it in place.
Firearms Policy Coalition Files Ninth Circuit Motion to Lift Stay of California’s Assault Weapons Ban Ruling



It surely is going to get very interesting in the coming months. I sense a lot of sky screaming from anti gun dipshits.

The court is rouge Hawaii is one of the safest states in the Union they have on average 41 homicides 17 via firearm and 29 wounded.

Maryland has also been kept safe outside of Baltimore. 3.7 homicide rate if you remove the city. Absolute morons these judges for letting gangs and deranged persons get easy access to assault weapons and unlimited amounts of ammunition.

NJ has a 3.7 homicide rate so they are doing pretty well for themselves.

California is 27/50th for homicides

https://southernmarylandchronicle.com/2 ... e-country/

I hope the lower courts don't strike these down force the supreme court to rule. Make them be the bad guys.

As a soon to be corrections officer and hopefully police officer in the next 3 years, I hope the Maryland state police and NJ state police (and every other gun restricted state in the north east) put out a statement telling any would be clowns that if you are seen with an assault rifle in public you will be held at gun point by the police. They need to know that exercising this "right" will only cause them trouble and put themselves in legal and logical danger since if someone calls to report someone they are afraid is going to start shooting, police are going to respond.

As for Hawaii they can simply keep guns restricted cause they are an island and block the transport of guns there. Full compliance would only make the island more dangerous for no fucking reason.

LOL, "the court is rouge"... a court that decides if laws pass constitutional muster is somehow rouge. MMK, sure chief.
So you are going to trot out the oft used higher firearm owned equals higher murder rates, a claim that even left leaning Rand corp found out isn't true.
By your own admission removing baltimore the rate would be less, perhaps its been the role of that local govt that has provided that breeding ground of crime?

https://yournews.com/2022/06/30/2369851/states-with-higher-rate-of-gun-ownership-do-not-correlate/

...“Gun ownership is higher in states with fewer restrictions, and homicide rates in these states are lower. People can protect themselves,” George Mason University Professor Emerita Joyce Lee Malcolm told Fox News Digital of what she’s found through her research. Malcolm pointed to a study on burglars from 1986 that found 34% of burglars interviewed reported “to having been scared off, shot at, wounded or captured by an armed victim.”

Fox News Digital compiled FBI data from 2019 detailing murders and gun murders per 100,000 population for most states, as well as assembled Rand Corporation data released in 2020 showing the percentage of households with at least one firearm in 2016. The data does not reflect the skyrocketing violent crimes of 2020 and likely undercounts the current percentages of homes with at least one firearm as it does not reflect the influx of Americans who rushed to arm themselves in 2020.

The data show that many states with higher percentages of gun ownership had lower or similar murder and gun murder rates to states with strict gun control. Montana and Wyoming came in the top spots for states with the highest percentages of gun ownership, with more than 66% of households with at least one firearm. However, the states also saw murder and gun murder rates similar to states with strict gun laws.

In 2019, Montana recorded 1.5 gun murders per 100,000 population and 2.5 murders per 100,000 population. In Massachusetts – which tied with New Jersey for lowest gun ownership in the country at 14.7% of households with at least one gun – the state saw similar murder rates to Montana, at 1.25 gun murders per 100,000 people and 2.12 murders per the same population.

In California, where just over 28% of households had at least one gun in 2016, there was a rate of more than four people murdered per 100,000 population and nearly three gun murders per 100,000 population in 2019. While in Maryland, where about 30% of households owned at least one firearm, according to 2016 data, murders per 100,000 population jumped to roughly nine, while more than seven people per 100,000 were victims of gun murders...

LOL at your hawaii claim of being more dangerous, just because it's an island does not mean they get to opt out of adhering to certain enumerated constitutional rights.
Look we get it, you hate individual rights, you hate the idea of people being able to defend themselves, the state is mother, the state is father, a judge dredd mentality.

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Just so you know, "looking for trouble" is a victim blaming tactic used to blame murder victims, rape victims, assault victims, and the like, the world over.

You should probably stop using rhetorical tactics from victim blamers.

If you are the only person in public with an assault weapon you are literally trying to cause panic.

And why exactly should I panic about someone carrying a rifle that is physically indistinct from a handgun save for a longer barrel?

[Atlantic Isles]

You're advocating for the government and police to manufacture hostile situations for gun owners SIMPLY for owning and carrying firearms, in order to punish them for daring to have a different political opinion than you. It absolutely is your fault.

It's called preventing a mass shooting, the police shouldn't try throw caution to the wind just to avoid infringing on an innocent person's rights when it comes to firearms. Anyone who would open carry an assault weapon in MD or NJ is literally just looking for trouble. Second amendment auditors aka looking for payout. Wearing it outside the range and being the only person with one is not only stupid but a real threat and police need to act to stop it.

The police should, in fact, do everything in their power to preserve the rights of an innocent person. If you go around saying “the police shouldn’t do [X] just to avoid infringing on an innocent person’s rights”, then what’s the point of people having rights, if you seem to think that police are free to go around infringing on them? The prospect of you becoming a law enforcement officer is terrifying.

[Atlantic Isles]

If you are the only person in public with an assault weapon you are literally trying to cause panic.

And why exactly should I panic about someone carrying a rifle that is physically indistinct from a handgun save for a longer barrel?

Especially considering that handguns are used in more mass shootings and cause many times more deaths than rifles.