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Ban modern sporting rifles
114
15%
Pistol braces should be outlawed and current restrictions on SBRs remain in place
86
11%
Pistol braces should be outlawed but current restrictions on SBRs should be removed
30
4%
Pistol braces should be allowed and current restrictions on SBRs should remain
102
13%
Pistol braces should be allowed but current restrictions on SBRs should be removed
454
58%
 
Total votes : 786

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:37 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:And running Windows. :p


"Leaked" Uh-huh, yeah, that's it, that's the ticket. I'm going to go for "done on purpose, for 1000" Gotta dox those undesirables.

Yeah, I'm not buying that it just happened to slip by all the people who are supposed to test the new website before it goes live...

Same here, not buying it, but to some who enjoy the taste of leather they see this as fighting the good fight, regardless if people get killed/robbed/harassed, etc.

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Postby Thomasi » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:38 am

The supreme court's Christian rights first victim

20 year old mother in Uptown Manhattan (wealthy affluent low crime) shot in the back of the head while pushing stroller. Thanks SC.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/30/us/new-y ... index.html

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:42 am

Thomasi wrote:The supreme court's Christian rights first victim

20 year old mother in Uptown Manhattan (wealthy affluent low crime) shot in the back of the head while pushing stroller. Thanks SC.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/30/us/new-y ... index.html

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:42 am

Thomasi wrote:The supreme court's Christian rights first victim

20 year old mother in Uptown Manhattan (wealthy affluent low crime) shot in the back of the head while pushing stroller. Thanks SC.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/30/us/new-y ... index.html

Yeah, definitely the USSC's fault, your logic is undeniable here, pfft.

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Thomasi
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Postby Thomasi » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:43 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Thomasi wrote:The supreme court's Christian rights first victim

20 year old mother in Uptown Manhattan (wealthy affluent low crime) shot in the back of the head while pushing stroller. Thanks SC.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/30/us/new-y ... index.html

Yeah, definitely the USSC's fault, your logic is undeniable here, pfft.


Police can no longer stop people for simply carrying so its easier to get away with it illegally.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:44 am

Thomasi wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Yeah, definitely the USSC's fault, your logic is undeniable here, pfft.


Police can no longer stop people for simply carrying so its easier to get away with it illegally.

Sure they can, the ruling just said the NY permitting process was to strict, then again crims carried anyway even when it was still "good cause".

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Paddy O Fernature
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:45 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Thomasi wrote:The supreme court's Christian rights first victim

20 year old mother in Uptown Manhattan (wealthy affluent low crime) shot in the back of the head while pushing stroller. Thanks SC.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/30/us/new-y ... index.html

Yeah, definitely the USSC's fault, your logic is undeniable here, pfft.


Your first mistake was thinking logic had anything to do with his post. The second was thinking it was made in good faith. :)

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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:52 am

Thomasi wrote:The supreme court's Christian rights first victim

20 year old mother in Uptown Manhattan (wealthy affluent low crime) shot in the back of the head while pushing stroller. Thanks SC.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/30/us/new-y ... index.html


There's no way this could have anything to do with the Supreme Court's decision, especially since NY is planning on dragging their feet on updating the carry process, and putting as many roadblocks into the process as they can get away with.

I'd say nice try, but it really wasn't.
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

DOJ's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fi ... -p0126.pdf

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:53 am

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Thomasi wrote:The supreme court's Christian rights first victim

20 year old mother in Uptown Manhattan (wealthy affluent low crime) shot in the back of the head while pushing stroller. Thanks SC.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/30/us/new-y ... index.html


There's no way this could have anything to do with the Supreme Court's decision, especially since NY is planning on dragging their feet on updating the carry process, and putting as many roadblocks into the process as they can get away with.

I'd say nice try, but it really wasn't.

But, but, but, it's instant, like oats.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:55 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Yeah, I'm not buying that it just happened to slip by all the people who are supposed to test the new website before it goes live...

Same here, not buying it, but to some who enjoy the taste of leather they see this as fighting the good fight, regardless if people get killed/robbed/harassed, etc.

1. Dox law-abiding gun owners
2. Criminals get their addresses and steal guns
3. More illegal guns circulate on the streets
4. Pat ourselves on the back for ending gun violence
"The Duke of Texas" is too formal for regular use. Just call me "Your Grace".
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:59 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:So California just leaked concealed carry permit holders' personal information...


I wonder if a lawsuit will be forthcoming because of this.
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

DOJ's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fi ... -p0126.pdf

Natapoc wrote:...You should post more in here so I don't seem like the extremist...


Auraelius wrote:If you take the the TITANIC, and remove the letters T, T, and one of the I's, and add the letters C,O,S,P,R, and Y you get CONSPIRACY. oOooOooooOOOooooOOOOOOoooooooo


Maineiacs wrote:Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and get drunk all day.


Luw wrote:Politics is like having two handfuls of shit - one that smells bad and one that looks bad - and having to decide which one to put in your mouth.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:33 am

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:So California just leaked concealed carry permit holders' personal information...


I wonder if a lawsuit will be forthcoming because of this.

You bet your ass it will.
"The Duke of Texas" is too formal for regular use. Just call me "Your Grace".
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Postby Sordhau » Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:36 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Same here, not buying it, but to some who enjoy the taste of leather they see this as fighting the good fight, regardless if people get killed/robbed/harassed, etc.

1. Dox law-abiding gun owners
2. Criminals get their addresses and steal guns
3. More illegal guns circulate on the streets
4. Pat ourselves on the back for ending gun violence


Idk man I personally wouldn't try robbing a gun owner of anything, especially not their guns, since that seems like a quick and easy way to meet thy maker.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:39 am

Sordhau wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:1. Dox law-abiding gun owners
2. Criminals get their addresses and steal guns
3. More illegal guns circulate on the streets
4. Pat ourselves on the back for ending gun violence


Idk man I personally wouldn't try robbing a gun owner of anything, especially not their guns, since that seems like a quick and easy way to meet thy maker.

The house will have to be unattended at some point.
"The Duke of Texas" is too formal for regular use. Just call me "Your Grace".
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"This thread makes me wish I was a moron so that I wouldn't have to comprehend how stupid the topic is." -The Empire of Pretantia
Head of State: HM King Louis
Head of Government: The Rt. Hon. James O'Dell MP, Prime Minister
Ambassador to the World Assembly: HE Sir John Ross "J.R." Ewing II, Bt.
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Postby Free Algerstonia » Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:43 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:So California just leaked concealed carry permit holders' personal information...

wouldn't have happened if larry elder won
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Postby Informed Consent » Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:15 am

Sordhau wrote:Idk man I personally wouldn't try robbing a gun owner of anything, especially not their guns, since that seems like a quick and easy way to meet thy maker.

A man much wiser than me once said, "For among other evils caused by being disarmed, it renders you contemptible...".

Going for the low hanging fruit first is a fundamental mechanic of foraging and victimization.
We used to understand this along with the knowledge that baring your throat does not invite peace, or at least not an equitable one.

For those who want to lay all blame on politics, particularly Americans, at least learn to pick your battles, and for a prime example I give you the government advertised "Gun Free Zones" that have done more than anything in recent years to invite heinous shooting incidents around the nation.
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Postby Thomasi » Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:18 am

Just like Tobacco we should make it illegal to advertise. Got my first emailed advertisement offering to help me get my conceal carry license :roll: which I promptly unsubscribed from.

If I were in the legislature I'd also require GPS apps to remove gun stores from their maps. Make them harder to find.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:19 am

Thomasi wrote:The supreme court's Christian rights first victim

20 year old mother in Uptown Manhattan (wealthy affluent low crime) shot in the back of the head while pushing stroller. Thanks SC.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/30/us/new-y ... index.html

Source that was a legal gun used in the shooting
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Thomasi
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Postby Thomasi » Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:20 am

Informed Consent wrote:
Sordhau wrote:Idk man I personally wouldn't try robbing a gun owner of anything, especially not their guns, since that seems like a quick and easy way to meet thy maker.

A man much wiser than me once said, "For among other evils caused by being disarmed, it renders you contemptible...".

Going for the low hanging fruit first is a fundamental mechanic of foraging and victimization.
We used to understand this along with the knowledge that baring your throat does not invite peace, or at least not an equitable one.

For those who want to lay all blame on politics, particularly Americans, at least learn to pick your battles, and for a prime example I give you the government advertised "Gun Free Zones" that have done more than anything in recent years to invite heinous shooting incidents around the nation.


In every other developed country a large mass shooting ends in firearm confiscation and strict rules to acquire. In the US people go and buy more guns.

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Postby American Legionaries » Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:33 am

Thomasi wrote:
Informed Consent wrote:A man much wiser than me once said, "For among other evils caused by being disarmed, it renders you contemptible...".

Going for the low hanging fruit first is a fundamental mechanic of foraging and victimization.
We used to understand this along with the knowledge that baring your throat does not invite peace, or at least not an equitable one.

For those who want to lay all blame on politics, particularly Americans, at least learn to pick your battles, and for a prime example I give you the government advertised "Gun Free Zones" that have done more than anything in recent years to invite heinous shooting incidents around the nation.


In every other developed country a large mass shooting ends in firearm confiscation and strict rules to acquire. In the US people go and buy more guns.


I too enjoy some good ol' American exceptionalism.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:32 am

Thomasi wrote:Just like Tobacco we should make it illegal to advertise. Got my first emailed advertisement offering to help me get my conceal carry license :roll: which I promptly unsubscribed from.

If I were in the legislature I'd also require GPS apps to remove gun stores from their maps. Make them harder to find.


Thankfully you'll never be in the legislature.
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Gun Control 2022 (IV) - Gun Rights, Control, & Government

Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:48 am

Thomasi wrote:Just like Tobacco we should make it illegal to advertise. Got my first emailed advertisement offering to help me get my conceal carry license :roll: which I promptly unsubscribed from.

If I were in the legislature I'd also require GPS apps to remove gun stores from their maps. Make them harder to find.

Yet somehow I see more ads for Copenhagen and Skoal than I do for Winchester and Remington...

...well, legitimate ads anyway, not phishing emails...
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:11 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Thomasi wrote:Just like Tobacco we should make it illegal to advertise. Got my first emailed advertisement offering to help me get my conceal carry license :roll: which I promptly unsubscribed from.

If I were in the legislature I'd also require GPS apps to remove gun stores from their maps. Make them harder to find.


Thankfully you'll never be in the legislature.


Or anyone near any position of authority for that matter. Having a bad take on NSG is literally peak I imagine.

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:18 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Thomasi wrote:
In every other developed country a large mass shooting ends in firearm confiscation and strict rules to acquire. In the US people go and buy more guns.


I too enjoy some good ol' American exceptionalism.


Indeed.

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Postby Atlantic Isles » Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:59 pm

Thomasi wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Yeah, definitely the USSC's fault, your logic is undeniable here, pfft.


Police can no longer stop people for simply carrying so its easier to get away with it illegally.

No. Just no. What even makes you think that? They can still stop people to see if they are carrying legally. Stop making shit up, pal, and maybe start adding some evidence to at least show some sort of good-faith effort to back up your batshit claims.

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