Gun Control 2022 (IV) - Gun Rights, Control, & Government

[Grinning Dragon]

Would 3D printing a firearm still be classed as handmade? I'm asking out of curiosity.

Nope nothing automated.

Welp, time to dust off the ol end mill and lathe.
Hell, I'd teach anybody else on how to use an end mill and lathe thusly increasing the number of people in the knowledge of cranking out home made firearms.
Bench top CNC mills are also a thing and the knowledge I've gained in using CNC machines could also apply there along with teaching people in how to create CNC jobs or just share the files.

[Informed Consent]

It will impact the avaliablity, prior to the industrial revolution making weapons was very hard and thats the point. Force people to make it the old way and you will see the rate of guns being sold drop dramatically.

Making weapons wasn't hard prior to the industrial revolution. A random source suggests a rifle during the revolutionary war was about 2 british pounds.

https://ancientfinances.com/2021/06/16/ ... vel-times/

Plugging that into an inflation calculator from 1776 until 2021, you get 228.85 pounds.

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetar ... calculator

Google says 1 british pound is 1.21 US dollars, so that's $276.91 USD.

Which... is actually less than what rifles cost today.

Cost does not mean much in the face of availability.
Then, just as now, England was not in the business of allowing its subjects to buy guns.
Even in the case of colonial militia who were typically obligated to provide their own arms and ammunition, the old feudal standard of only those who could afford to arm themselves were ultimately allowed to do so was the paradigm of the day.

Colonial governors were very capricious with their gun policies and were not shy about confiscating weapons and redistributing them to better favored subjects.
As it would turn out, precious few colonial Americans possessed a firearm at the onset of Revolution.

[Galloism]

Making weapons wasn't hard prior to the industrial revolution. A random source suggests a rifle during the revolutionary war was about 2 british pounds.

https://ancientfinances.com/2021/06/16/ ... vel-times/

Plugging that into an inflation calculator from 1776 until 2021, you get 228.85 pounds.

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetar ... calculator

Google says 1 british pound is 1.21 US dollars, so that's $276.91 USD.

Which... is actually less than what rifles cost today.

Cost does not mean much in the face of availability.
Then, just as now, England was not in the business of allowing its subjects to buy guns.
Even in the case of colonial militia who were typically obligated to provide their own arms and ammunition, the old feudal standard of only those who could afford to arm themselves were ultimately allowed to do so was the paradigm of the day.

Colonial governors were very capricious with their gun policies and were not shy about confiscating weapons and redistributing them to better favored subjects.
As it would turn out, precious few colonial Americans possessed a firearm at the onset of Revolution.

Thank you - I'm not that much of a history buff.

But if many colonial governors were capricious with their gun policies, it makes sense why they would write the right to keep and bear arms into the constitution.

(British policies pre revolution also explain the 3rd amendment really well)

[Celritannia]

Making guns prior to the industrial revolution was very easy. When they were introduced to Japan the first swordsmith ordered to make copies had no issues doing it with the exception of a singular part that used a production method unknown to the Japanese, and when the Dutch taught him how to do it he cranked them out with ease.

A slight correction, the Japanese were using guns long before the Europeans arrived.

[American Legionaries]

Making guns prior to the industrial revolution was very easy. When they were introduced to Japan the first swordsmith ordered to make copies had no issues doing it with the exception of a singular part that used a production method unknown to the Japanese, and when the Dutch taught him how to do it he cranked them out with ease.

A slight correction, the Japanese were using guns long before the Europeans arrived.

Yes, but mass production and use was largely a result of European influence.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Or we could just not, because this is an idiotic idea.

Or we can because weapons should be a state issue not a federal one, pro gunners can't just go somewhere they know their views are accepted always have to go mess shit up for those who don't want to deal with the gun madness. Deciding to live in the most expensive city in the country that didn't have laws you like but instead of going to cheaper place they threw a fit.

You didn't disprove his argument of this being an idiotic idea with this response. In fact, if anything, you kinda just further solidified it.

[Saiwania]

A slight correction, the Japanese were using guns long before the Europeans arrived.

Japan also never allowed a gun culture to develop, their rulers feared being overthrown enough to take away the lower classes' ability to rebel early on. Japan was first place in the world to implement gun control if I'm not mistaken. From 1685 onwards, when guns still weren't as capable as now. So there is relatively low supply of guns which exist in that country. Hence fewer incidents that could conceivably happen with firearms, unless its the police/state doing the atrocity. Most of the guns that could be confiscated or destroyed in Japan have been already.

Their laws on firearms use are oppressive enough as to be unreasonable in most other places, but the Japanese appear to just accept it as the price for maintaining a low gun violence/pacifist country. Their current laws flat out say: "no person shall possess a firearm or firearms or a sword or swords." So anyone within Japan that does- has privileges they jumped through many hoops to get.

[The Emerald Legion]

Or we could just not, because this is an idiotic idea.

Or we can because weapons should be a state issue not a federal one, pro gunners can't just go somewhere they know their views are accepted always have to go mess shit up for those who don't want to deal with the gun madness. Deciding to live in the most expensive city in the country that didn't have laws you like but instead of going to cheaper place they threw a fit.

Just you wait until Maryland turns pro-gun.

[Thomasi]

Or we can because weapons should be a state issue not a federal one, pro gunners can't just go somewhere they know their views are accepted always have to go mess shit up for those who don't want to deal with the gun madness. Deciding to live in the most expensive city in the country that didn't have laws you like but instead of going to cheaper place they threw a fit.

Just you wait until Maryland turns pro-gun.

MD has never been progun we have super majority democrats not gonna happen any time soon.

[The Emerald Legion]

Just you wait until Maryland turns pro-gun.

MD has never been progun we have super majority democrats not gonna happen any time soon.

It's gonna happen.

[Thomasi]

MD has never been progun we have super majority democrats not gonna happen any time soon.

It's gonna happen.

Its been over 100 years of Dem control so when will it happen?

[American Legionaries]

It's gonna happen.

Its been over 100 years of Dem control so when will it happen?

When the court tells them they haven't got a fucking choice.

[Thomasi]

Its been over 100 years of Dem control so when will it happen?

When the court tells them they haven't got a fucking choice.

That's not Maryland becoming pro gun that's them being forced to accept guns. There is a difference.

[The Two Jerseys]

It's gonna happen.

Its been over 100 years of Dem control so when will it happen?

When the Democrats stop gerrymandering.

[American Legionaries]

When the court tells them they haven't got a fucking choice.

That's not Maryland becoming pro gun that's them being forced to accept guns. There is a difference.

Not in practice it isn't.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Did you post this from your handmade computer?

No but I can't kill with it

I'm sure if you swing it hard enough, you could generate enough force to kill with your computer. Not that you should.

[Galloism]

No but I can't kill with it

I'm sure if you swing it hard enough, you could generate enough force to kill with your computer. Not that you should.

Not to mention even using it as a computer can kill people if you hack into something critical and do something bad.

[Dylar]

Nope nothing automated.

Welp, time to dust off the ol end mill and lathe.
Hell, I'd teach anybody else on how to use an end mill and lathe thusly increasing the number of people in the knowledge of cranking out home made firearms.
Bench top CNC mills are also a thing and the knowledge I've gained in using CNC machines could also apply there along with teaching people in how to create CNC jobs or just share the files.

time to make myself several models of the Smith&Methson

and maybe print off a copy of Expedient Homemade Firearms while I'm at it

[Atlantic Isles]

Welp, time to dust off the ol end mill and lathe.
Hell, I'd teach anybody else on how to use an end mill and lathe thusly increasing the number of people in the knowledge of cranking out home made firearms.
Bench top CNC mills are also a thing and the knowledge I've gained in using CNC machines could also apply there along with teaching people in how to create CNC jobs or just share the files.

time to make myself several models of the Smith&Methson

and maybe print off a copy of Expedient Homemade Firearms while I'm at it

B-b-buh… buh… gHoSt GuNs

[The Emerald Legion]

No but I can't kill with it

I'm sure if you swing it hard enough, you could generate enough force to kill with your computer. Not that you should.

It's full of Lithium. You could easily cut it open and turn it into a bomb. If you leave it plugged in all the time, it will become a bomb all on its own.

[Gun Manufacturers]

I'm sure if you swing it hard enough, you could generate enough force to kill with your computer. Not that you should.

It's full of Lithium. You could easily cut it open and turn it into a bomb. If you leave it plugged in all the time, it will become a bomb all on its own.

That's only if it's made by Samsung.

[The Two Jerseys]

So California just leaked concealed carry permit holders' personal information...

[Grinning Dragon]

It's full of Lithium. You could easily cut it open and turn it into a bomb. If you leave it plugged in all the time, it will become a bomb all on its own.

That's only if it's made by Samsung.

And running Windows.

So California just leaked concealed carry permit holders' personal information...

"Leaked" Uh-huh, yeah, that's it, that's the ticket. I'm going to go for "done on purpose, for 1000" Gotta dox those undesirables.

[Thomasi]

So California just leaked concealed carry permit holders' personal information...

oops guess the system isn't secure, and people should think twice before applying. Good on California for the tactical release.

[The Two Jerseys]

That's only if it's made by Samsung.

And running Windows.

So California just leaked concealed carry permit holders' personal information...

"Leaked" Uh-huh, yeah, that's it, that's the ticket. I'm going to go for "done on purpose, for 1000" Gotta dox those undesirables.

Yeah, I'm not buying that it just happened to slip by all the people who are supposed to test the new website before it goes live...