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Your thoughts on pistol braces? (See top of OP for information)

Ban modern sporting rifles
114
15%
Pistol braces should be outlawed and current restrictions on SBRs remain in place
86
11%
Pistol braces should be outlawed but current restrictions on SBRs should be removed
30
4%
Pistol braces should be allowed and current restrictions on SBRs should remain
102
13%
Pistol braces should be allowed but current restrictions on SBRs should be removed
454
58%
 
Total votes : 786

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:39 am

Thomasi wrote:They should pass a law only allowing Hand made firearms to be legal.

Did you post this from your handmade computer?
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Postby Thomasi » Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:47 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Thomasi wrote:They should pass a law only allowing Hand made firearms to be legal.

Did you post this from your handmade computer?

No but I can't kill with it

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:48 am

Informed Consent wrote:
Galloism wrote:I personally look forward to when we can create x-men.

I'm torn between invisibility, rapid healing (AKA, wolverine), and phasing through objects. All of those could be really useful.

The civilian market will most likely be limited to something like the blur spell.
For something like claws, the Department of Condescending Paternity will no doubt mandate that they be manicured, or manufactured within safety scissor specifications, and you will of course be cited for running while your claws are deployed.

Meanwhile, this should get interesting.

https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2022/at ... nce-crisis

The distributors should mail everyone in NYC a free muzzleloader.
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Postby American Legionaries » Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:48 am

Thomasi wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Did you post this from your handmade computer?

No but I can't kill with it


Wrong, and irrelevant besides.

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Postby Galloism » Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:48 am

Thomasi wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Did you post this from your handmade computer?

No but I can't kill with it

Yes you can.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:51 am

Thomasi wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Did you post this from your handmade computer?

No but I can't kill with it


Well maybe you can't.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:51 am

Thomasi wrote:They should pass a law only allowing Hand made firearms to be legal.


I can hand make machine guns lol
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Postby American Legionaries » Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:53 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Thomasi wrote:They should pass a law only allowing Hand made firearms to be legal.


I can hand make machine guns lol


That sounds fun, like something I would do if it weren't illegal for me to do so.

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Postby Thomasi » Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:53 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Thomasi wrote:They should pass a law only allowing Hand made firearms to be legal.


I can hand make machine guns lol


Really? Well obviously no automatics.

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Postby American Legionaries » Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:56 am

Thomasi wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I can hand make machine guns lol


Really? Well obviously no automatics.


That sounds like no fun at all...

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:25 pm

Thomasi wrote:They should pass a law only allowing Hand made firearms to be legal.

Aren't all firearms technically all hand made?

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Postby Celritannia » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:27 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Thomasi wrote:They should pass a law only allowing Hand made firearms to be legal.

Aren't all firearms technically all hand made?


Would 3D printing a firearm still be classed as handmade? I'm asking out of curiosity.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:32 pm

Celritannia wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Aren't all firearms technically all hand made?


Would 3D printing a firearm still be classed as handmade? I'm asking out of curiosity.

I don't see why not, as one would still have to assemble the fire controls, install a barrel, etc.

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Postby Thomasi » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:49 pm

Celritannia wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Aren't all firearms technically all hand made?


Would 3D printing a firearm still be classed as handmade? I'm asking out of curiosity.


Nope nothing automated.

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Postby Galloism » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:50 pm

Thomasi wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
Would 3D printing a firearm still be classed as handmade? I'm asking out of curiosity.


Nope nothing automated.

It's going to be extremely challenging to forge steel out of iron ore by hand.
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Postby Atlantic Isles » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:53 pm

Thomasi wrote:They should pass a law only allowing Hand made firearms to be legal.

The method of manufacture has ABSOLUTELY NO IMPACT on the lethality or rate of fire of the weapon.

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Postby Thomasi » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:54 pm

Galloism wrote:
Thomasi wrote:
Nope nothing automated.

It's going to be extremely challenging to forge steel out of iron ore by hand.


You can buy material at stores like Home Depo but that is it.

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Postby Thomasi » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:57 pm

Atlantic Isles wrote:
Thomasi wrote:They should pass a law only allowing Hand made firearms to be legal.

The method of manufacture has ABSOLUTELY NO IMPACT on the lethality or rate of fire of the weapon.


It will impact the avaliablity, prior to the industrial revolution making weapons was very hard and thats the point. Force people to make it the old way and you will see the rate of guns being sold drop dramatically.

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Postby American Legionaries » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:59 pm

Thomasi wrote:
Atlantic Isles wrote:The method of manufacture has ABSOLUTELY NO IMPACT on the lethality or rate of fire of the weapon.


It will impact the avaliablity, prior to the industrial revolution making weapons was very hard and thats the point. Force people to make it the old way and you will see the rate of guns being sold drop dramatically.


Or we could just not, because this is an idiotic idea.

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Postby Thomasi » Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:02 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Thomasi wrote:
It will impact the avaliablity, prior to the industrial revolution making weapons was very hard and thats the point. Force people to make it the old way and you will see the rate of guns being sold drop dramatically.


Or we could just not, because this is an idiotic idea.


Or we can because weapons should be a state issue not a federal one, pro gunners can't just go somewhere they know their views are accepted always have to go mess shit up for those who don't want to deal with the gun madness. Deciding to live in the most expensive city in the country that didn't have laws you like but instead of going to cheaper place they threw a fit.

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Postby Galloism » Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:04 pm

Thomasi wrote:
Galloism wrote:It's going to be extremely challenging to forge steel out of iron ore by hand.


You can buy material at stores like Home Depo but that is it.

So if I had store and sold parts, that would be fine, if it was hand assembled by the consumer, and I wasn't doing the assembling.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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Postby American Legionaries » Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:05 pm

Thomasi wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Or we could just not, because this is an idiotic idea.


Or we can because weapons should be a state issue not a federal one, pro gunners can't just go somewhere they know their views are accepted always have to go mess shit up for those who don't want to deal with the gun madness. Deciding to live in the most expensive city in the country that didn't have laws you like but instead of going to cheaper place they threw a fit.


Nope, still idiotic, rights are very distinctly not a state issue, hence the whole constitution thing.

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Postby Galloism » Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:09 pm

Thomasi wrote:
Atlantic Isles wrote:The method of manufacture has ABSOLUTELY NO IMPACT on the lethality or rate of fire of the weapon.


It will impact the avaliablity, prior to the industrial revolution making weapons was very hard and thats the point. Force people to make it the old way and you will see the rate of guns being sold drop dramatically.

Making weapons wasn't hard prior to the industrial revolution. A random source suggests a rifle during the revolutionary war was about 2 british pounds.

https://ancientfinances.com/2021/06/16/ ... vel-times/

Plugging that into an inflation calculator from 1776 until 2021, you get 228.85 pounds.

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetar ... calculator

Google says 1 british pound is 1.21 US dollars, so that's $276.91 USD.

Which... is actually less than what rifles cost today.
Last edited by Galloism on Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:10 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:17 pm

Making guns prior to the industrial revolution was very easy. When they were introduced to Japan the first swordsmith ordered to make copies had no issues doing it with the exception of a singular part that used a production method unknown to the Japanese, and when the Dutch taught him how to do it he cranked them out with ease.
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