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Your thoughts on pistol braces? (See top of OP for information)

Ban modern sporting rifles
114
15%
Pistol braces should be outlawed and current restrictions on SBRs remain in place
86
11%
Pistol braces should be outlawed but current restrictions on SBRs should be removed
30
4%
Pistol braces should be allowed and current restrictions on SBRs should remain
102
13%
Pistol braces should be allowed but current restrictions on SBRs should be removed
454
58%
 
Total votes : 786

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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sun Jun 26, 2022 4:52 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Yeah but that photo definitely screams unibomber over deer hunter


A rifle, ammunition, baseball cap, pair of binoculars, topo map, and camp lantern scream unibomber? Maybe if there was lengths of iron pipe, electrical wire, etc it might scream unibomber. But since the picture only shows items typical for a hunting cabin, I'm not seeing what you're seeing .

Not unless tars thinks every hunter is a unibomber after playing a bit too much FarCry.

Because you don't get much more stereotypical deer-camp than a coleman lantern and a map on a wooden picnic table the night before opening-day.
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Postby Tarsonis » Sun Jun 26, 2022 4:53 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Yeah but that photo definitely screams unibomber over deer hunter


A rifle, ammunition, baseball cap, pair of binoculars, topo map, and camp lantern scream unibomber? Maybe if there was lengths of iron pipe, electrical wire, etc it might scream unibomber. But since the picture only shows items typical for a hunting cabin, I'm not seeing what you're seeing .


In fairness I'm not a hunter, but neither are most people. Might have worked well in 60's, but this is probably the reaction most people are gonna have today.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sun Jun 26, 2022 4:55 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
A rifle, ammunition, baseball cap, pair of binoculars, topo map, and camp lantern scream unibomber? Maybe if there was lengths of iron pipe, electrical wire, etc it might scream unibomber. But since the picture only shows items typical for a hunting cabin, I'm not seeing what you're seeing .


In fairness I'm not a hunter, but neither are most people. Might have worked well in 60's, but this is probably the reaction most people are gonna have today.

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Postby Tarsonis » Sun Jun 26, 2022 4:57 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
In fairness I'm not a hunter, but neither are most people. Might have worked well in 60's, but this is probably the reaction most people are gonna have today.

Image


Can you not tell the difference between those two photos though?
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Postby Thomasi » Sun Jun 26, 2022 4:58 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
In fairness I'm not a hunter, but neither are most people. Might have worked well in 60's, but this is probably the reaction most people are gonna have today.

Account too young to post pictures


Sure if you live in farm country 1/4 mile from your next neighbor and hunt to eat and fend off wild animals that are a threat fine have your gun.

But don't try to get NYC or the high density states of the north east/large cities to let you have those same weapons.

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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:01 pm

Thomasi wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Account too young to post pictures


Sure if you live in farm country 1/4 mile from your next neighbor and hunt to eat and fend off wild animals that are a threat fine have your gun.

But don't try to get NYC or the high density states of the north east/large cities to let you have those same weapons.

What about the 2-legged variety of predators?

How DO we arm the other 11?

With shot and shell, of course!
Last edited by Hurtful Thoughts on Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:03 pm, edited 3 times in total.
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HOI <- Storefront (WiP)
Due to population-cuts, military-size currently being revised

The People's Republic of Hurtful Thoughts is a gargantuan, environmentally stunning nation, ruled by Leader with an even hand, and renowned for its compulsory military service, multi-spousal wedding ceremonies, and smutty television.
Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War

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Postby Tsarus 2142 » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:03 pm

Glad to see this consensus. The ban on pistol stocks and SBR's is so stupid. A pistol can kill lots of people. A rifle can as well. Hell, even a shotgun can create a tragedy that shocks the nation.

By the way, any additional tragedies caused by a suppressor is going to be so so so so overlooked by the usefulness of them. So many other things you can ban before even restricting a suppressor will do any good.
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:07 pm

Thomasi wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Account too young to post pictures


Sure if you live in farm country 1/4 mile from your next neighbor and hunt to eat and fend off wild animals that are a threat fine have your gun.

But don't try to get NYC or the high density states of the north east/large cities to let you have those same weapons.


Why not? There are city dwellers that hunt as well, they just have to travel to where they hunt.
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:08 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Thomasi wrote:
Sure if you live in farm country 1/4 mile from your next neighbor and hunt to eat and fend off wild animals that are a threat fine have your gun.

But don't try to get NYC or the high density states of the north east/large cities to let you have those same weapons.

What about the 2-legged variety of predators?

How DO we arm the other 11?

With shot and shell, of course!

Just as the Founding Fathers intended!
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Postby Thomasi » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:09 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Thomasi wrote:
Sure if you live in farm country 1/4 mile from your next neighbor and hunt to eat and fend off wild animals that are a threat fine have your gun.

But don't try to get NYC or the high density states of the north east/large cities to let you have those same weapons.


Why not? There are city dwellers that hunt as well, they just have to travel to where they hunt.


Then you can store your gun/rent one outside of the city/metropolitan area. Literally no need to have it with you in the city.

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Postby Hukhalia » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:10 pm

Thomasi wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Why not? There are city dwellers that hunt as well, they just have to travel to where they hunt.


Then you can store your gun/rent one outside of the city/metropolitan area. Literally no need to have it with you in the city.

cities tend to have shit police and terrible crime, give the people guns man
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:11 pm

Thomasi wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Why not? There are city dwellers that hunt as well, they just have to travel to where they hunt.


Then you can store your gun/rent one outside of the city/metropolitan area. Literally no need to have it with you in the city.

Except, you know, the need to defend yourself from two-legged predators.
"The Duke of Texas" is too formal for regular use. Just call me "Your Grace".
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Postby Hukhalia » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:12 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Thomasi wrote:
Then you can store your gun/rent one outside of the city/metropolitan area. Literally no need to have it with you in the city.

Except, you know, the need to defend yourself from two-legged predators.

come on. you dont get kangaroos in new york. at least you shouldnt.
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:13 pm

Thomasi wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Why not? There are city dwellers that hunt as well, they just have to travel to where they hunt.


Then you can store your gun/rent one outside of the city/metropolitan area. Literally no need to have it with you in the city.


You keep mentioning need. Need is irrelevant, there's plenty of things we don't NEED, that's not a reason to ban it.
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

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Postby Thomasi » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:15 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Thomasi wrote:
Then you can store your gun/rent one outside of the city/metropolitan area. Literally no need to have it with you in the city.

Except, you know, the need to defend yourself from two-legged predators.


More guns=less safe. There is a reason we have 5 times the homicide rate than Europe.

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Postby American Legionaries » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:17 pm

Thomasi wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Except, you know, the need to defend yourself from two-legged predators.


More guns=less safe. There is a reason we have 5 times the homicide rate than Europe.


Says the guy who spends a great deal of time carrying a gun...

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Postby Thomasi » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:18 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Thomasi wrote:
More guns=less safe. There is a reason we have 5 times the homicide rate than Europe.


Says the guy who spends a great deal of time carrying a gun...


I don't carry (at least not yet) I have to wait till they start the next academy. Also LEOs carrying isn't the same as any random joe carrying. Edit- Also wouldn't unless they make us have a work weapon.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:21 pm

Thomasi wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Except, you know, the need to defend yourself from two-legged predators.


More guns=less safe. There is a reason we have 5 times the homicide rate than Europe.

Yet despite having far more guns than everyone else, the US doesn't even crack the top 50 in murder rates...
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Postby Hukhalia » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:22 pm

Thomasi wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Except, you know, the need to defend yourself from two-legged predators.


More guns=less safe. There is a reason we have 5 times the homicide rate than Europe.

Yes it's because you're wracked with poverty, social atomisation, and police brutality towards minority groups -- minority groups who you want to disarm.
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Postby American Legionaries » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:24 pm

Thomasi wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Says the guy who spends a great deal of time carrying a gun...


I don't carry (at least not yet) I have to wait till they start the next academy. Also LEOs carrying isn't the same as any random joe carrying. Edit- Also wouldn't unless they make us have a work weapon.


No, it's much worse.

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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:24 pm

Hukhalia wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Except, you know, the need to defend yourself from two-legged predators.

come on. you dont get kangaroos in new york. at least you shouldnt.

Hippity hoppity

Get off my property.
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The People's Republic of Hurtful Thoughts is a gargantuan, environmentally stunning nation, ruled by Leader with an even hand, and renowned for its compulsory military service, multi-spousal wedding ceremonies, and smutty television.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:25 pm

Hukhalia wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Except, you know, the need to defend yourself from two-legged predators.

come on. you dont get kangaroos in new york. at least you shouldnt.

No, but there is the police department in Baltimore...
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Postby Hukhalia » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:27 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Hukhalia wrote:come on. you dont get kangaroos in new york. at least you shouldnt.

No, but there is the police department in Baltimore...

I'd imagine kangaroos are much nicer tbh
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Postby Galloism » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:28 pm

Thomasi wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Except, you know, the need to defend yourself from two-legged predators.


More guns=less safe. There is a reason we have 5 times the homicide rate than Europe.

This is why, quite famously, the rich and powerful don't have any people with guns around them, for safety.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:28 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Hukhalia wrote:come on. you dont get kangaroos in new york. at least you shouldnt.

No, but there is the police department in Baltimore...

Not gonna lie, that's a pretty sick burn.

But there's no one here as happy as the double sledder lad.
Factbook and general referance thread.
HOI <- Storefront (WiP)
Due to population-cuts, military-size currently being revised

The People's Republic of Hurtful Thoughts is a gargantuan, environmentally stunning nation, ruled by Leader with an even hand, and renowned for its compulsory military service, multi-spousal wedding ceremonies, and smutty television.
Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War

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