Gun Control 2022 (IV) - Gun Rights, Control, & Government

[Pax Nerdvana]

I just heard a story on the radio, as part of discovery in the lawsuit by the Sandy Hook money grabbers, Remington turned over dozens of boxes of memes and random shit from the internet.

Well done, lads!

Sometimes the Internet actually proves it’s worth.

[Grinning Dragon]

I just heard a story on the radio, as part of discovery in the lawsuit by the Sandy Hook money grabbers, Remington turned over dozens of boxes of memes and random shit from the internet.

Well done, lads!

Sometimes the Internet actually proves it’s worth.

I found what T.J. was referring to at some shit site called the wrap.
https://www.thewrap.com/gunmaker-includ ... documents/

[Pax Nerdvana]

Sometimes the Internet actually proves it’s worth.

I found what T.J. was referring to at some shit site called the wrap.
https://www.thewrap.com/gunmaker-includ ... documents/

Dumb news site. How do these people not understand that gun companies can’t control how people use their products?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Tbqh I've never even seen marketing for a gun and I've been deep into the gun world for years so that lawsuit never made sense to me. Everything in my experience is spread via word of mouth and social media.

[Pax Nerdvana]

Tbqh I've never even seen marketing for a gun and I've been deep into the gun world for years so that lawsuit never made sense to me. Everything in my experience is spread via word of mouth and social media.

Yeah. Only times I’ve ever seen any kind of marketing is either online or maybe a poster at a gun shop.

[Saiwania]

An armed minority is a minority that can’t be oppressed. Not easily. A gay dude I know is planning on arming himself as soon as he can. Guns are for everyone.

I'm not interested in every demographic having access to guns. I don't trust the general masses for one. It is absolutely crucial for the state to be able to tighten or narrow those allowed to own firearms and implement ways to disarm those that're outside of the in group as I see it.

[Grinning Dragon]

An armed minority is a minority that can’t be oppressed. Not easily. A gay dude I know is planning on arming himself as soon as he can. Guns are for everyone.

I'm not interested in every demographic having access to guns. I don't trust the general masses for one. It is absolutely crucial for the state to be able to tighten or narrow those allowed to own firearms and implement ways to disarm those that're outside of the in group as I see it.

Yours and the govts distrust isn't reason enough to deny certain segments of the US population from exercising their enumerated negative rights.

[Saiwania]

Yours and the govts distrust isn't reason enough to deny certain segments of the US population from exercising their enumerated negative rights.

The model of allowing anyone to get any gun they want to doesn't work however. Allowing it means there will be more problems across the board as certain people inevitably misuse firearms. All of the people who're illegally crossing the US-Mexico border as of late, have me enraged. Its more galling that the people aren't just from Mexico now, but from various nations in Africa and South America. I wouldn't want those people for example, to be able to buy guns.

The only worse time for me looking back, was when Europe had a migration crisis from north Africa and the Middle East back in 2014.

[Galloism]

Sometimes the Internet actually proves it’s worth.

I found what T.J. was referring to at some shit site called the wrap.
https://www.thewrap.com/gunmaker-includ ... documents/

So this may be a case of "give me what I want, not what I ask for".

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/09/10143691 ... ns-lawsuit

"We request that you produce native versions of all embedded images and videos posted to Defendants' social media accounts during the relevant period," the plaintiffs' legal team requested in a letter last year that was included as an exhibit in a court filing made last week.

Sources associated with Remington say the images and videos were filed in response to a specific request the plaintiffs made to turn over all material from the company's various social media pages, an explanation the families' lead attorney dismissed in an interview with NPR.

Passes the smell test. This could be less of a "fuck you, here's a bunch of memes" and more "well, you asked for it."

[Grinning Dragon]

Yours and the govts distrust isn't reason enough to deny certain segments of the US population from exercising their enumerated negative rights.

The model of allowing anyone to get any gun they want to doesn't work however. Allowing it means there will be more problems across the board as certain people inevitably misuse firearms. All of the people who're illegally crossing the US-Mexico border as of late, have me enraged. Its more galling that the people aren't just from Mexico now, but from various nations in Africa and South America. I wouldn't want those people for example, to be able to buy guns.

The only worse time for me looking back, was when Europe had a migration crisis from north Africa and the Middle East back in 2014.

Yeah, enumerated negative rights aren't at the mercy of "what I feel", especially within a system that is set up for individual rights.
As much as you dislike the possibility of a person here illegally obtaining a firearm, the fact remains that the right to arms is a natural right in that here in the US it was fit to be enumerated.

[Grinning Dragon]

I found what T.J. was referring to at some shit site called the wrap.
https://www.thewrap.com/gunmaker-includ ... documents/

So this may be a case of "give me what I want, not what I ask for".

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/09/10143691 ... ns-lawsuit

"We request that you produce native versions of all embedded images and videos posted to Defendants' social media accounts during the relevant period," the plaintiffs' legal team requested in a letter last year that was included as an exhibit in a court filing made last week.

Sources associated with Remington say the images and videos were filed in response to a specific request the plaintiffs made to turn over all material from the company's various social media pages, an explanation the families' lead attorney dismissed in an interview with NPR.

Passes the smell test. This could be less of a "fuck you, here's a bunch of memes" and more "well, you asked for it."

Perhaps the plaintiffs should have been "very specific" in their request instead of being vague, 'cause in the end they are going to get what they inquired, so kudos on the Rem team on giving them what they wanted.

[Grinning Dragon]

Well OK then, this is a twist.
Gunman kills 1, injures 3 before he is stoned to death in Fort Worth, police say Yeah it's a yahoo news site, sorry.

...At some point, the shooter was caught by the group, and either fell or was taken down by the group. The shooter continued shooting, striking at least at least three others, authorities said.

One of the gunshot victims died at the scene, police said.

The gunman was struck multiple times with at least one landscaping brick and was pronounced dead at the scene, police said.

No one has been arrested, police said.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Tbqh I've never even seen marketing for a gun and I've been deep into the gun world for years so that lawsuit never made sense to me. Everything in my experience is spread via word of mouth and social media.

The saying goes that most hunting magazines are just cleverly hidden ads/"sponsored reviews" for the latest premium rifle/cartridge.

Even when they aren't sponsored, they effectively function the same via building up hype. Although such word of mouth is usually quite warranted hype.

all material from the company's various social media pages

Ooof, does that mean we now have to submit all of our shitposts since I'm pretty sure Remington is pretty much omnipresent in everybody's gun-arsenal in some manner, and as such are part of the Remington-family if we start counting gun-reviews as ads.

I can picture a lawyer trying to attack my username in court, at least up until I explain that there's a preffix that flips it backwards.
-They'll still dog on it, though. Despite generally RPing as some of the more honest peacekeepers in NS. Plus it being a game.

[Pax Nerdvana]

Tbqh I've never even seen marketing for a gun and I've been deep into the gun world for years so that lawsuit never made sense to me. Everything in my experience is spread via word of mouth and social media.

The saying goes that most hunting magazines are just cleverly hidden ads/"sponsored reviews" for the latest premium rifle/cartridge.

Even when they aren't sponsored, they effectively function the same via building up hype. Although such word of mouth is usually quite warranted hype.

all material from the company's various social media pages

Ooof, does that mean we now have to submit all of our shitposts since I'm pretty sure Remington is pretty much omnipresent in everybody's gun-arsenal in some manner, and as such are part of the Remington-family if we start counting gun-reviews as ads.

I can picture a lawyer trying to attack my username in court, at least up until I explain that there's a preffix that flips it backwards.
-They'll still dog on it, though. Despite generally RPing as some of the more honest peacekeepers in NS. Plus it being a game.

I think my grandfather might be the one person on Earth who doesn’t own a Remington in some form. He wouldn’t have to hand over his gun memes.

[Grinning Dragon]

Top 10 Reasons You Should Just Turn Your Guns Over To The Government TODAY

So, you still have guns in your house, huh?

First of all, shame on you. Second of all, we realize you may be slightly hesitant about just turning them all over to the government, so we put together a list of reasons (out of the hundreds of reasons) you should just turn in your guns right now. Read and learn, you bitter clinger!

1) The government is very trustworthy and would never hurt anyone: Also, they have nukes. Resistance is futile. Just hand 'em over!

2) With your gun safe empty, you now have a neat place to hide when robbers break into your home: Let your gun safe keep YOU safe! As an added bonus, you can now use your gun safe to store all your surgical masks and vaccination cards!

3) Instead of shooting clays on Thanksgiving, you can play great games with your family, like Monopoly: Nothing brings a family together like Monopoly!

4) The government needs your guns so they can shoot people trying to sell loose cigarettes: Donate your firearms to the noble cause of fighting the evil forces trying to sell untaxed cigarettes to people who can't afford a full pack!

5) You can spend the time you used to spend at the gun range educating yourself: With time, maybe you can learn to be less problematic.

6) The government will donate your guns to a noble cause: Like drug cartels and insurgents in the Middle East. Think of how much good your gun could be doing right now in the government's hands!

7) You can rest assured knowing that criminals will turn in their guns too: Criminals always do the right thing when given the chance.

8) Now you can defend your home with a cool spiked mace and broadsword: Come on—who doesn't want to do this? Turn in your gun and defend your home like a REAL man.

9) You'll be a rich man not having to buy ammo: Aren't you tired of getting in fights with your wife about how much you spend on guns and ammo? Plus, you'll have more money to spend on masks!

10) What's the worst that could happen? Just give it a try! Could be fun, actually!

[The Two Jerseys]

Top 10 Reasons You Should Just Turn Your Guns Over To The Government TODAY

So, you still have guns in your house, huh?

First of all, shame on you. Second of all, we realize you may be slightly hesitant about just turning them all over to the government, so we put together a list of reasons (out of the hundreds of reasons) you should just turn in your guns right now. Read and learn, you bitter clinger!

1) The government is very trustworthy and would never hurt anyone: Also, they have nukes. Resistance is futile. Just hand 'em over!

2) With your gun safe empty, you now have a neat place to hide when robbers break into your home: Let your gun safe keep YOU safe! As an added bonus, you can now use your gun safe to store all your surgical masks and vaccination cards!

3) Instead of shooting clays on Thanksgiving, you can play great games with your family, like Monopoly: Nothing brings a family together like Monopoly!

4) The government needs your guns so they can shoot people trying to sell loose cigarettes: Donate your firearms to the noble cause of fighting the evil forces trying to sell untaxed cigarettes to people who can't afford a full pack!

5) You can spend the time you used to spend at the gun range educating yourself: With time, maybe you can learn to be less problematic.

6) The government will donate your guns to a noble cause: Like drug cartels and insurgents in the Middle East. Think of how much good your gun could be doing right now in the government's hands!

7) You can rest assured knowing that criminals will turn in their guns too: Criminals always do the right thing when given the chance.

8) Now you can defend your home with a cool spiked mace and broadsword: Come on—who doesn't want to do this? Turn in your gun and defend your home like a REAL man.

9) You'll be a rich man not having to buy ammo: Aren't you tired of getting in fights with your wife about how much you spend on guns and ammo? Plus, you'll have more money to spend on masks!

10) What's the worst that could happen? Just give it a try! Could be fun, actually!

I mean, I'm perfectly fine with #8, but I don't see why firearms and melee weapons has to be an either/or thing.

And I know it's satire, but #9 isn't wrong...

[Grinning Dragon]

Top 10 Reasons You Should Just Turn Your Guns Over To The Government TODAY

I mean, I'm perfectly fine with #8, but I don't see why firearms and melee weapons has to be an either/or thing.

And I know it's satire, but #9 isn't wrong...

With #8, you'll get all icky and get blood on ya, however braining a guy breaking into your house might be therapeutic?
#9, you'll just spend it on other things, like a new full auto crossbow and a ton of bolts.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

I mean, I'm perfectly fine with #8, but I don't see why firearms and melee weapons has to be an either/or thing.

And I know it's satire, but #9 isn't wrong...

With #8, you'll get all icky and get blood on ya, however braining a guy breaking into your house might be therapeutic?
#9, you'll just spend it on other things, like a new full auto crossbow and a ton of bolts.

One of the upsides of archery is that you can re-use arrows pretty easily when target-shooting.

Downside is when you finally break one. Plus in a hunting/self-defense situation, you can pretty much guarantee that those arrows won't be re-usable anymore. Meaning the average archer has maybe 8 arrows in their arsenal (4 to 6 target-arrows and 2 to 4 for hunting). 16 if they're Hawkeye and are used to replacing their arrows on a regular basis.

Which is why pellet-rifles are generally better for putting small-game on the table.

[Grinning Dragon]

With #8, you'll get all icky and get blood on ya, however braining a guy breaking into your house might be therapeutic?
#9, you'll just spend it on other things, like a new full auto crossbow and a ton of bolts.

One of the upsides of archery is that you can re-use arrows pretty easily when target-shooting.

Downside is when you finally break one. Plus in a hunting/self-defense situation, you can pretty much guarantee that those arrows won't be re-usable anymore. Meaning the average archer has maybe 8 arrows in arsenal (4 to 6 target-arrows and 2 to 4 for hunting). 16 if they're Hawkeye and are used to replacing their arrows on a regular basis.

Which is why pellet-rifles are generally better for putting small-game on the table.

I have/use a PSE compound bow. 65# draw, 80% let off. All kinds of wicked broadheads. The thought of buying a crossbow enters the ol noggin from time to time.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

One of the upsides of archery is that you can re-use arrows pretty easily when target-shooting.

Downside is when you finally break one. Plus in a hunting/self-defense situation, you can pretty much guarantee that those arrows won't be re-usable anymore. Meaning the average archer has maybe 8 arrows in arsenal (4 to 6 target-arrows and 2 to 4 for hunting). 16 if they're Hawkeye and are used to replacing their arrows on a regular basis.

Which is why pellet-rifles are generally better for putting small-game on the table.

I have/use a PSE compound bow. 65# draw, 80% let off. All kinds of wicked broadheads. The thought of buying a crossbow enters the ol noggin from time to time.

Up until fairly recently in my state, crossbows were relegated to class C disabled hunters and people otherwise not allowed to hunt with a firearm during gun-deer season (or people that just wanted to be different during gun-season)

Had my PSE replaced with a [Parker?] Buck single-cam. Nice discontinued canadian single-cam bow (before the patent-lawsuit caused all the smaller companies to fold) although the cams are a bit sharp so it tends to chew the strings after about 500 to 1000 firings. Still shoots good but my dominant eye sorta went blind and kinda screwed that entire rig up.

[Pax Nerdvana]

On the subject of crossbows, I’m in the process of building one. Saw some pictures and plans online and thought “I could do that”

[Grinning Dragon]

So... This is the latest attempt to further infringe upon ghost guns legal home-built firearms, because individual rights and freedom bad.
“EAR” Restrictions Imposed On 3D Printed Firearms

Among these FAQs, for instance, it’s made clear that a BIS license is now required to post online ‘‘any file, including any CAD file, that once converted will be in an executable code for the production of a firearm.”

3D Printing Industry has a great article on how the U.S. Bureau of Industry and Security, part of the U.S. Department of Commerce, has placed Export Administration Restrictions (EAR) on 3D printed firearms, including on the dissemination of related software files.

This comes just three months after the Ninth Circuit vacated an injunction placed on Defense Distributed, which allowed them to publicly release all of their 3D gun files for the first time in years. Can’t stop the signal? Well, they can sure make it difficult. Visit the article on 3D Printing Industry for much more info.

TBH, this isn't enforceable, a boondoggle, dick-waggin' hand-wringing-bullshit. I'm sure club fed will go after a few individuals to try and make an example out of them with some courts ruling in favor of the accused. Then we have files hosted on foreign soil in which is beyond the jurisdiction of club fed. The other issue is that these files are already out there, stored on millions of hard drives, thumb-drives, CD/DVD, etc. There is no putting the genie back in the bottle let alone contain said genie, the rights hating feds lost, individual rights and ingenuity wins out again and they need to admit that.

[Grinning Dragon]

And for your "firearm and ballistics" expertise for the day.
From shitazeera

..Ballistics and firearms expert Phillip Boyce, from the British-based firm Forensic Equity, said 3D printed guns have evolved since then, despite the “standard and quality” remaining “about the same”, with various designs now available.

It is no longer just handguns that can be produced from a 3D printer, Boyce said.

“You can have a fully automatic AR15 rifle, or a fully automatic AK47. And normally, those fully automatic weapons have got steel barrels, but the rest of it is plastic,” he added...

Hmm, yeah, somehow I don't think a plastic BCG is gonna hold up, and a plastic firing pin, springs and hammer? Some firearm expert, perhaps that dipshit outta go back to playing with tinker toys.

[Page]

Only control the guns of millionaires and billionaires. This has been a Page drunk post, albeit one he will stand by when sober again.

[Pax Nerdvana]

And for your "firearm and ballistics" expertise for the day.
From shitazeera

..Ballistics and firearms expert Phillip Boyce, from the British-based firm Forensic Equity, said 3D printed guns have evolved since then, despite the “standard and quality” remaining “about the same”, with various designs now available.

It is no longer just handguns that can be produced from a 3D printer, Boyce said.

“You can have a fully automatic AR15 rifle, or a fully automatic AK47. And normally, those fully automatic weapons have got steel barrels, but the rest of it is plastic,” he added...

Hmm, yeah, somehow I don't think a plastic BCG is gonna hold up, and a plastic firing pin, springs and hammer? Some firearm expert, perhaps that dipshit outta go back to playing with tinker toys.

Plastic BCG sounds like a horrible idea. What an “expert”.
Pandora’s box is open, and there’s no trying to close it. All those files are out there, and there’s no stopping them. Gun control is dead.