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Ban modern sporting rifles
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Pistol braces should be outlawed but current restrictions on SBRs should be removed
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sat May 01, 2021 1:53 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
There isn't anything to infiltrate or hijack. Boog isn't a movement, it's an idea. It literally only deals with guns, you can have any other political beliefs on top of it and boog bois from every corner of the political compass exist. The media claiming it's overrun by Nazis is little different than their screeches than gun ownership is just another form of white supremacy, it's a meme to be laughed at and nothing more.

I find it ironic that a lot of the people smearing the Boogaloo are also the first ones to make this exact same argument in defense of Antifa.

Also a meme to be laughed at and nothing more.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sat May 01, 2021 2:06 pm

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Time to invite them to the range and evangelize them into the ways of the Boogaloo. Gun control laws were written to disarm two groups of people: poor people and minorities. Now, they’re coming for all of us. Biden claims to be on the side of black Americans, but he himself has a history of racism, and the recent upsurge in black gun ownership is just too much of a coincidence to be just a coincidence.

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Postby The Lone Alliance » Sat May 01, 2021 2:25 pm

Lady Victory wrote:Okay, what? You're all contradicting each other.

Is it a loose and decentralized movement like Antifa that can't be judged based on it's fringe elements or is it just a meme that was appropriated by extremists who are trying to turn it into a real Far-Right movement? Get your stories straight.

It's actually both at the same time, it's loose and decentralized because the only form of 'membership' is knowing the meme. There's no leaders of the movement, there's no marching orders for the movement, there's no real manifesto for the movement, there's not even an organized plan or belief system for the movement other than: "Gun Control Bad" "Government Tyranny Bad" and "Gun confiscation will result in civil war and that's going to suck."

It's no more a group than a person claiming they're a member of Anonymous because they're wearing a V mask to a protest.

Your entire "Rant" was entirely against a media created strawman that doesn't exist. Again my point the media made a whole bunch of lies and people like you fall for it. They wanted you to believe that the Boogaloo was some giant Pro-Trump militia army, that way they could get you to support Gun Control better. It was also a nice way to make Trump look more dangerous and competent than he really was.

They lied to you, and you fell for it, so it really doesn't matter what gun rights supporters believe, the media will simply stick words in their mouth anyway because they have zero reason to be honest.

After all it's not like they'll ever face the consequences for their lying to the American People.
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Postby Lady Victory » Sat May 01, 2021 3:35 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:Okay, what? You're all contradicting each other.

Is it a loose and decentralized movement like Antifa that can't be judged based on it's fringe elements or is it just a meme that was appropriated by extremists who are trying to turn it into a real Far-Right movement? Get your stories straight.


I was an original boog boi from 2014 or so and while it did eventually become more or less a meme centering around tacticool stuff (especially spread by places like weekendgunnit) it did originate on /k/ and other spaces as a very real ideological belief that violence should be used to preserve your rights. It's not really a contradiction so much as it is a fascinating case study in how something can change and become commonplace over time.


Now, see, this makes sense.

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Lady Victory wrote:Okay, what? You're all contradicting each other.

Is it a loose and decentralized movement like Antifa that can't be judged based on it's fringe elements or is it just a meme that was appropriated by extremists who are trying to turn it into a real Far-Right movement? Get your stories straight.

It's actually both at the same time, it's loose and decentralized because the only form of 'membership' is knowing the meme. There's no leaders of the movement, there's no marching orders for the movement, there's no real manifesto for the movement, there's not even an organized plan or belief system for the movement other than: "Gun Control Bad" "Government Tyranny Bad" and "Gun confiscation will result in civil war and that's going to suck."

It's no more a group than a person claiming they're a member of Anonymous because they're wearing a V mask to a protest.

Your entire "Rant" was entirely against a media created strawman that doesn't exist. Again my point the media made a whole bunch of lies and people like you fall for it. They wanted you to believe that the Boogaloo was some giant Pro-Trump militia army, that way they could get you to support Gun Control better. It was also a nice way to make Trump look more dangerous and competent than he really was.

They lied to you, and you fell for it, so it really doesn't matter what gun rights supporters believe, the media will simply stick words in their mouth anyway because they have zero reason to be honest.

After all it's not like they'll ever face the consequences for their lying to the American People.


Okay, but like, who is lying here? "The media" is vague. It means nothing. You can't just say "the media lied". It's not that simple. Where are the sources? Which parts of the media are lying? Who are these liars? There's a whole Wikipedia article on the "Boogaloo movement"; is that a lie, too? A false flag? Are the sources it uses lies? Did the media dupe Wikipedia into believing in a lie enough to write an article about it?

Come on, man. You gotta give me more than just "the media lied". That means nothing. That tells me nothing. Name your sources.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sat May 01, 2021 4:50 pm

Lady Victory wrote:Okay, but like, who is lying here? "The media" is vague. It means nothing. You can't just say "the media lied". It's not that simple. Where are the sources? Which parts of the media are lying? Who are these liars? There's a whole Wikipedia article on the "Boogaloo movement"; is that a lie, too? A false flag? Are the sources it uses lies? Did the media dupe Wikipedia into believing in a lie enough to write an article about it?

Come on, man. You gotta give me more than just "the media lied". That means nothing. That tells me nothing. Name your sources.

Well, to check if a media source is fabricating or feeding off of falsehoods, lets look at their sources first, or lack thereof any transparency in that regard. Then contrast that with the word of a self-proclaimed booger that is declaring their statements as false.

When the story isn't jiving with reality, that's an indication that somebody be peddling bullshit to further a belief.
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Postby Lady Victory » Sat May 01, 2021 6:39 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:Okay, but like, who is lying here? "The media" is vague. It means nothing. You can't just say "the media lied". It's not that simple. Where are the sources? Which parts of the media are lying? Who are these liars? There's a whole Wikipedia article on the "Boogaloo movement"; is that a lie, too? A false flag? Are the sources it uses lies? Did the media dupe Wikipedia into believing in a lie enough to write an article about it?

Come on, man. You gotta give me more than just "the media lied". That means nothing. That tells me nothing. Name your sources.

Well, to check if a media source is fabricating or feeding off of falsehoods, lets look at their sources first, or lack thereof any transparency in that regard. Then contrast that with the word of a self-proclaimed booger that is declaring their statements as false.

When the story isn't jiving with reality, that's an indication that somebody be peddling bullshit to further a belief.


Okay, but what if the self-proclaimed "booger" is saying "Yeah, that's about right."?

One anecdote does not prove a trend, you see.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Sat May 01, 2021 11:53 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:Okay, but like, who is lying here? "The media" is vague. It means nothing. You can't just say "the media lied". It's not that simple. Where are the sources? Which parts of the media are lying? Who are these liars? There's a whole Wikipedia article on the "Boogaloo movement"; is that a lie, too? A false flag? Are the sources it uses lies? Did the media dupe Wikipedia into believing in a lie enough to write an article about it?

Come on, man. You gotta give me more than just "the media lied". That means nothing. That tells me nothing. Name your sources.

Well, to check if a media source is fabricating or feeding off of falsehoods, lets look at their sources first, or lack thereof any transparency in that regard. Then contrast that with the word of a self-proclaimed booger that is declaring their statements as false.

When the story isn't jiving with reality, that's an indication that somebody be peddling bullshit to further a belief.

That's the thing most of the sources the media use aren't actually sources from within the movement but from third parties who declare themselves Extremist experts who try to look through the contradictory and sometimes mutually oppositional statements by the movements and decide "Well seeing my evidence they must believe X", the problem is that the experts can make the data say whatever they want it to say. These Extremist experts also have their own political biases.

The Boogaloos also popped up in force at a rather odd timing that added to the chaos behind what they believed had their earliest real life exposure because of the early Gun rights protests and then an explosion of presence during the BLM police protests (And on a lesser note the COVID protests) and it looked to that the early round of news articles simply had used cases of the White Supremacists and other groups using the Boogaloo term for civil war, that and let's not forget in this current climate "Everything I don't like is White Supremacy". I think a large part of the problem was that since the Boogaloos were so new the only thing the media had to go on them was that they were mostly White and they were Right Wing gun lovers, that lead to a confirmation bias by the media, how could a bunch of right wing gun owners not be racist scumbags who support Trump and hate minorities? All of the previous Militia movements had all thrown their support behind Trumpism and Anti-BLMism so of course the media could assume that the Boogaloos must be more of the same and that there had to be some sort of ulterior motive to them supporting BLM.

The common narrative and one helped by the Boogaloo's own extremism were that they were white supremacists infiltrating BLM to commit acts of violence so the police would have justification to kill more Black Lives. Not only does this help feed existing biases it also gave BLM an out from any and all acts of violence and destruction using the actual acts of violence committed by Boogaloos as evidence. It's a hard stretch to claim that a right wing group that ideologically hate rioting and looting are the ones doing rioting and looting, but in the aftermath of Boogaloos getting caught for doing acts of violence during BLM protests there was a push on some Social Media fronts to claim that all the acts of burning and looting were actually caused by them.

It was also in the interest of the Right Wing Media to make sure there was a divide between the Boogaloos and BLM because politically isolating and disarming BLM makes it easier for the police to crush them and for them to strawman BLM as just a bunch of evil Black Marxists for their Right Wing viewers. Another reason is that when the Boogaloo did bad things in support of BLM that made the right look bad, so the Right Wing Media had a vested interest in trying to make the Boogaloos stand down and stop doing things like shooting at cops. It hurts their "Blue Lives Matter" and "Law and Order" image to piss off the police.

Interestingly enough the ADL page about them to be pretty balanced about their views while pointing out the actual dangers of the groups who follow the Boogaloo mindset and when supporters of it have acted in the past. Also brought up all the times Boogaloo didn't act like your typical right wing groups. Of course it's clear that even the ADF only had a narrow group of Boogaloos to focus on so it's still not a complete picture.

Still lead to some interesting events I didn't know about, Like the one time they started out supporting a Right wing anti-mask protest, before switching sides and joining an Antifa Black Lives Matter protest.

I did not really expect to see a Boogaloo guarding members of Antifa at all.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun May 02, 2021 3:35 pm

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun May 02, 2021 4:20 pm


Do you actually think, they think?
Also just think, one of those shitstain biological cancerous mistake is being propped up to be the head of the BATFe(ARBF)

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon May 03, 2021 4:52 am

Jesus Christ, nothing like the local news interviewing a "legal expert" who doesn't even know what "shall issue" means...
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon May 03, 2021 6:13 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:Jesus Christ, nothing like the local news interviewing a "legal expert" who doesn't even know what "shall issue" means...

SOP for the media, find the dumbest mother fucker say he/she is an "expert" give them their cue card to read, televise.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon May 03, 2021 9:09 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Jesus Christ, nothing like the local news interviewing a "legal expert" who doesn't even know what "shall issue" means...

SOP for the media, find the dumbest mother fucker say he/she is an "expert" give them their cue card to read, televise.

He's a lawyer from a local firm who went on camera saying that the state he practices law in is a "shall issue" state (spoiler alert: it isn't), then proceeds to describe shall issue as "the person asking for a carry permit has to demonstrate a need for it".

I do not want this guy representing me in court, ever.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon May 03, 2021 9:37 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:SOP for the media, find the dumbest mother fucker say he/she is an "expert" give them their cue card to read, televise.

He's a lawyer from a local firm who went on camera saying that the state he practices law in is a "shall issue" state (spoiler alert: it isn't), then proceeds to describe shall issue as "the person asking for a carry permit has to demonstrate a need for it".

I do not want this guy representing me in court, ever.

Imagine that a lawyer who doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about in regards to firearm laws. Perhaps he should stick to ambulance chasing.
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What the media don’t know about guns and conceal carry could fill a book. I hope I never need a lawyer, especially one like that.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue May 04, 2021 6:19 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:What the media don’t know about guns and conceal carry could fill a book. I hope I never need a lawyer, especially one like that.

A book? It could fill all of the library of Congress.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue May 04, 2021 6:41 am

In what is most assuredly a refutation of "gun control" the continued firearm sales continues to break last year's numbers for sales and bgc.
April 2021 saw an increase of 2.1% from last April 2020 with most of the purchases being rifles, with bgc 3,514,070 vs. 2,911,128
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/fbi-gun-frenzy-now-in-16th-month-as-biden-seeks-ban
The Small Arms Analytics & Forecasting group, which estimates how many FBI background checks are for gun sales, said at least 1.8 million firearms were sold last month, a record for April.
What’s more, it said that rifle sales surged.

SAAF Chief Economist Jurgen Brauer said, “The April 2021 number of just over 1.8 million firearms sold is large. In fact, it is the largest April figure on record. While the year-over-year percentage increase of 2.1% is relatively modest, it nonetheless represents growth on top of last year’s COVID-19 panic-driven sales boom. Handgun sales declined in April 2021 relative to the same month last year, so that long-gun sales drove this April’s overall increase.”

At Hyatt Guns of Charlotte, North Carolina, one of the nation’s largest gun stores, sales surged as customers received COVID-19 stimulus money from Washington.

And many recent first-time buyers came back to buy more, Marketing Director Justin Anderson said.

“Sales continue to be brisk, and we’re showing growth in the 25-35% range compared to last year. This is more natural growth and isn’t strictly being driven by political or other outside forces,” he told Secrets.

Anderson added, “More than likely, many of the 8 million people that bought their first gun in the last year have caught the bug and are buying more guns and accessories. While ammo remains scarce, Remington’s ammunition plant is back online, and we think this will help to mitigate the unprecedented demand. We expect another busy summer, both online and in the store, and another record year.”




Kansas Legislature Overrides Gov.’s Veto of NRA-Backed Bill
U.S.A. -(AmmoLand.com)- The National Rifle Association today applauded the Kansas Legislature’s veto override of House Bill 2058, common sense self-defense legislation that was vetoed by Governor Kelly last month. This bill improves the ability of law-abiding gun owners to protect themselves and their families.

“The Kansas state legislature choose to protect the constitutional rights of law-abiding gun owners today by overriding Gov. Kelly’s misguided veto,” said Travis Couture-Lovelady, NRA-ILA Kansas state director. “It is an affirmation that the right of self-protection exist both inside and outside the home. We thank the leadership in both the House and Senate as well as the bill’s sponsors for their steadfast support on this vital issue.”

House Bill 2058 adds Kansas to the list of states that recognize concealed carry permits from all other states. Additionally, the bill;

Allows individuals who are 18 to 20 years of age to apply for a Kansas concealed carry permit.
Authorizes the Attorney General to issue an alternative license to carry a concealed handgun, to qualified applicants, during a declared state of disaster emergency.
Creates a Restoration of Rights process for individuals to reestablish the Second Amendment right to possess a firearm, upon expungement of certain convictions.

​The law goes into effect on July 1st.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Tue May 04, 2021 9:33 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:In what is most assuredly a refutation of "gun control" the continued firearm sales continues to break last year's numbers for sales and bgc.
April 2021 saw an increase of 2.1% from last April 2020 with most of the purchases being rifles, with bgc 3,514,070 vs. 2,911,128
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/fbi-gun-frenzy-now-in-16th-month-as-biden-seeks-ban
The Small Arms Analytics & Forecasting group, which estimates how many FBI background checks are for gun sales, said at least 1.8 million firearms were sold last month, a record for April.
What’s more, it said that rifle sales surged.

SAAF Chief Economist Jurgen Brauer said, “The April 2021 number of just over 1.8 million firearms sold is large. In fact, it is the largest April figure on record. While the year-over-year percentage increase of 2.1% is relatively modest, it nonetheless represents growth on top of last year’s COVID-19 panic-driven sales boom. Handgun sales declined in April 2021 relative to the same month last year, so that long-gun sales drove this April’s overall increase.”

At Hyatt Guns of Charlotte, North Carolina, one of the nation’s largest gun stores, sales surged as customers received COVID-19 stimulus money from Washington.

And many recent first-time buyers came back to buy more, Marketing Director Justin Anderson said.

“Sales continue to be brisk, and we’re showing growth in the 25-35% range compared to last year. This is more natural growth and isn’t strictly being driven by political or other outside forces,” he told Secrets.

Anderson added, “More than likely, many of the 8 million people that bought their first gun in the last year have caught the bug and are buying more guns and accessories. While ammo remains scarce, Remington’s ammunition plant is back online, and we think this will help to mitigate the unprecedented demand. We expect another busy summer, both online and in the store, and another record year.”




Kansas Legislature Overrides Gov.’s Veto of NRA-Backed Bill
U.S.A. -(AmmoLand.com)- The National Rifle Association today applauded the Kansas Legislature’s veto override of House Bill 2058, common sense self-defense legislation that was vetoed by Governor Kelly last month. This bill improves the ability of law-abiding gun owners to protect themselves and their families.

“The Kansas state legislature choose to protect the constitutional rights of law-abiding gun owners today by overriding Gov. Kelly’s misguided veto,” said Travis Couture-Lovelady, NRA-ILA Kansas state director. “It is an affirmation that the right of self-protection exist both inside and outside the home. We thank the leadership in both the House and Senate as well as the bill’s sponsors for their steadfast support on this vital issue.”

House Bill 2058 adds Kansas to the list of states that recognize concealed carry permits from all other states. Additionally, the bill;

Allows individuals who are 18 to 20 years of age to apply for a Kansas concealed carry permit.
Authorizes the Attorney General to issue an alternative license to carry a concealed handgun, to qualified applicants, during a declared state of disaster emergency.
Creates a Restoration of Rights process for individuals to reestablish the Second Amendment right to possess a firearm, upon expungement of certain convictions.

​The law goes into effect on July 1st.

I wonder how many of those rifle sales are to people in fascist states that require unconstitutional handgun permits who don't want the government to know what they're packing...
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue May 04, 2021 10:38 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:In what is most assuredly a refutation of "gun control" the continued firearm sales continues to break last year's numbers for sales and bgc.
April 2021 saw an increase of 2.1% from last April 2020 with most of the purchases being rifles, with bgc 3,514,070 vs. 2,911,128
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/fbi-gun-frenzy-now-in-16th-month-as-biden-seeks-ban




Kansas Legislature Overrides Gov.’s Veto of NRA-Backed Bill

I wonder how many of those rifle sales are to people in fascist states that require unconstitutional handgun permits who don't want the government to know what they're packing...

Good point.
I don't understand in how requiring a permit to buy is even remotely constitutional and why they haven't been struck down by now. My home state of MN requires a permit to buy a handgun from an FFL. I just bought handguns from private sellers, such a stupid fucking law.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue May 04, 2021 2:59 pm

This is a pretty good read and points to the racist roots of gun control, however lots of scanned newspaper pics in the article.
Turns out, the FOID card exists because of racial tensions and armed blacks

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Wed May 05, 2021 6:24 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:This is a pretty good read and points to the racist roots of gun control, however lots of scanned newspaper pics in the article.
Turns out, the FOID card exists because of racial tensions and armed blacks

Not surprised. Gun control is used not for safety, but to disarm those who need guns the most. Namely, the poor and minorities.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed May 05, 2021 10:38 am

Jesus fucking christ.
Dip shit and all around a waste of skin, AG merrick garland, didn't know a photo ID was required to purchase a firearm.
Ben Cline (R-VA) asked “Current law requires a prospective buyer of a firearm to provide a photo I.D….would you argue that that is a reasonable requirement?”

“Dipshit AG: I…uh uh…I…I would…but I don’t know what the requirements are. Again, this is slightly beyond my area of expertise.”


Beyond his area of expertise? Well fuckstain reject, you're suppose to be the USAG, this is your area of expertise.
And this guy was picked to be a supreme court justice?

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri May 07, 2021 6:38 am

So nearly half (46+%) of US counties are now 2nd Amendment sanctuaries.
Nearly Half of All U.S. Counties Are Now Second Amendment Sanctuaries
USA – -(AmmoLand.com)- What the media isn’t telling you: Nearly half of all U.S. Counties are now Second Amendment Sanctuaries!

There are few stories the mainstream media enjoys more than “trend” stories.

Whether it’s plant-based fake meat, live-streamed workouts, celebrity podcasts, or TikTok videos and other new apps, the media revels in reporting the latest trends that are sweeping the country – at least most of the time.

However, if the trend involves guns or the Constitution – especially the Second Amendment – don’t look for stories anytime soon, even if it’s a viral national trend.
The mainstream media has missed [read: purposely ignored] one of the biggest trend stories ever – the massive surge in Second Amendment Sanctuaries at the state, county, and local level.

As it stands now, more than 46% of all counties in the United States have declared themselves Second Amendment Sanctuaries, according to Noah Davis of sanctuarycounties.com and its companion site constitutionalsanctuaries.com.

Davis has been tracking the movement since its inception – tallying the growing numbers every single day.

“There are 1,459 Second Amendment Sanctuary counties, out of a total of 3,144 counties, but I’m still tallying them right now,” Davis told me Wednesday. “I’ve got a bit of a backlog. I’m working on updating my national map, but they’re happening so fast, and I’m just one person in Virginia.”

The 1,459 includes counties located in the 10 states that have declared themselves Second Amendment Sanctuaries, he explained.

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Fri May 07, 2021 6:44 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:So nearly half (46+%) of US counties are now 2nd Amendment sanctuaries.
Nearly Half of All U.S. Counties Are Now Second Amendment Sanctuaries
USA – -(AmmoLand.com)- What the media isn’t telling you: Nearly half of all U.S. Counties are now Second Amendment Sanctuaries!

There are few stories the mainstream media enjoys more than “trend” stories.

Whether it’s plant-based fake meat, live-streamed workouts, celebrity podcasts, or TikTok videos and other new apps, the media revels in reporting the latest trends that are sweeping the country – at least most of the time.

However, if the trend involves guns or the Constitution – especially the Second Amendment – don’t look for stories anytime soon, even if it’s a viral national trend.
The mainstream media has missed [read: purposely ignored] one of the biggest trend stories ever – the massive surge in Second Amendment Sanctuaries at the state, county, and local level.

As it stands now, more than 46% of all counties in the United States have declared themselves Second Amendment Sanctuaries, according to Noah Davis of sanctuarycounties.com and its companion site constitutionalsanctuaries.com.

Davis has been tracking the movement since its inception – tallying the growing numbers every single day.

“There are 1,459 Second Amendment Sanctuary counties, out of a total of 3,144 counties, but I’m still tallying them right now,” Davis told me Wednesday. “I’ve got a bit of a backlog. I’m working on updating my national map, but they’re happening so fast, and I’m just one person in Virginia.”

The 1,459 includes counties located in the 10 states that have declared themselves Second Amendment Sanctuaries, he explained.


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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sat May 08, 2021 9:07 am

So the brady tards got their asses handed to them in another attempt of a frivolous lawsuit against glock.
Glock wins (and Biden loses) in major liability suit
The suit was filed against Glock, an Austrian gun-maker, on behalf of Carlos Travieso Jr., who was in a car with others returning from a church retreat in 2018. Another teenager found the 9 mm pistol in the car and apparently thought it was safe because the magazine holding the bullets was missing. However, there was a bullet in the chamber, and when she pulled the trigger, it hit Travieso, paralyzing him.

The suit charged that Glock, the No. 1 firearms manufacturer in U.S. sales, did not have adequate safety features on the gun warning that a live round was in the chamber. The pistol does have a chamber indicator, but the suit said the gun was defective because it did not include other warnings or safeties.

Glock said it was covered by the immunity act because the shooting was a criminal act.
Oliva told Secrets, “This is an example of lawyers attempting to put the blame for negligent use of a firearm on a manufacturer. The facts of the case are clear. The negligent mishandling of a firearm resulted in tragic effects. There was no defect in the product, design flaw, and as the opinion clearly notes, claims of warning notifications do not make for a claim of product defect.”

Brnovich agreed with Glock in her victory for the Second Amendment. She also noted that even the liberal U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has repeatedly rejected challenges to immunity for gun-makers.

“A fair reading of the PLCAA shows that Congress intended the scope of its preemption to include claims like the plaintiff's. The PLCAA's plain text extends preemption to plaintiff's tort and products liability claims. Its unambiguous terms bar any civil cause of action, regardless of the underlying theory, when a plaintiff's injury results from ‘the criminal or unlawful misuse’ of the person or a third party, unless a specific exception applies,” she wrote.

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sun May 09, 2021 12:03 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:So the brady tards got their asses handed to them in another attempt of a frivolous lawsuit against glock.
Glock wins (and Biden loses) in major liability suit
The suit was filed against Glock, an Austrian gun-maker, on behalf of Carlos Travieso Jr., who was in a car with others returning from a church retreat in 2018. Another teenager found the 9 mm pistol in the car and apparently thought it was safe because the magazine holding the bullets was missing. However, there was a bullet in the chamber, and when she pulled the trigger, it hit Travieso, paralyzing him.

The suit charged that Glock, the No. 1 firearms manufacturer in U.S. sales, did not have adequate safety features on the gun warning that a live round was in the chamber. The pistol does have a chamber indicator, but the suit said the gun was defective because it did not include other warnings or safeties.

Glock said it was covered by the immunity act because the shooting was a criminal act.
Oliva told Secrets, “This is an example of lawyers attempting to put the blame for negligent use of a firearm on a manufacturer. The facts of the case are clear. The negligent mishandling of a firearm resulted in tragic effects. There was no defect in the product, design flaw, and as the opinion clearly notes, claims of warning notifications do not make for a claim of product defect.”

Brnovich agreed with Glock in her victory for the Second Amendment. She also noted that even the liberal U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has repeatedly rejected challenges to immunity for gun-makers.

“A fair reading of the PLCAA shows that Congress intended the scope of its preemption to include claims like the plaintiff's. The PLCAA's plain text extends preemption to plaintiff's tort and products liability claims. Its unambiguous terms bar any civil cause of action, regardless of the underlying theory, when a plaintiff's injury results from ‘the criminal or unlawful misuse’ of the person or a third party, unless a specific exception applies,” she wrote.


Good.

I look forward to these frivolous assholes getting counter sued themselves over this, or at the very least eating the court costs involved in this asinine lawsuit.

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