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Your thoughts on pistol braces? (See top of OP for information)

Ban modern sporting rifles
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15%
Pistol braces should be outlawed and current restrictions on SBRs remain in place
86
11%
Pistol braces should be outlawed but current restrictions on SBRs should be removed
30
4%
Pistol braces should be allowed and current restrictions on SBRs should remain
102
13%
Pistol braces should be allowed but current restrictions on SBRs should be removed
454
58%
 
Total votes : 786

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:23 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:I have that. I found a copy at a thrift store. Teenage Pax read a lot of books that are probably banned, such as certain US military field manuals, and The Poor Man’s James Bond. Banning guns will not stop mass casualty events; it’s surprising what nasty things can be made out of household chemicals, and are capable of killing a lot more people then a gun.

Ah yes, the spy-manuals that somehow keep finding their way into the secluded non-fiction sections of public school libraries.

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Finding the Anarchist Cookbook at the local Value Village certainly was an interesting experience.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:27 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Ah yes, the spy-manuals that somehow keep finding their way into the secluded non-fiction sections of public school libraries.

AKA: "The happy funtimes aisle"

Finding the Anarchist Cookbook at the local Value Village certainly was an interesting experience.


PSA: the Anarchist Cookbook is garbage and you'll hurt yourself if you try and build most of the stuff in it
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:30 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Finding the Anarchist Cookbook at the local Value Village certainly was an interesting experience.


PSA: the Anarchist Cookbook is garbage and you'll hurt yourself if you try and build most of the stuff in it

Yes, I am well aware. That's a rookie mistake, following most of the stuff in that "cookbook".
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:42 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Finding the Anarchist Cookbook at the local Value Village certainly was an interesting experience.


PSA: the Anarchist Cookbook is garbage and you'll hurt yourself if you try and build most of the stuff in it

To be fair, plying some of the corporate espionage tricks in most spy-books will leave enough telltale signs that you'll be rather easily caught.

Whether you're caught before or after doing what you came there for is another matter.
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Postby Great Pacific Switzerland » Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:55 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Finding the Anarchist Cookbook at the local Value Village certainly was an interesting experience.


PSA: the Anarchist Cookbook is garbage and you'll hurt yourself if you try and build most of the stuff in it

This, learn 11th or 12th Grade chemistry instead
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Postby Miku the Based » Fri Mar 05, 2021 9:24 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:I know the entire C.B. Colby series went into the book-fires about a decade ago.

I do remember figuring out how to mix my own shock sensitive priming compounds, but would really not want to bother with such a devil's brew as nitro-triiodide, a guncotton booster charge and an ANFO main-charge.
-I also remember a video of a mosquito accidentally setting off that nitro priming compound simply by flying next to it. So thanks but no thanks. I like having my limbs intact.

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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:43 pm

Miku the Based wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:I know the entire C.B. Colby series went into the book-fires about a decade ago.

I do remember figuring out how to mix my own shock sensitive priming compounds, but would really not want to bother with such a devil's brew as nitro-triiodide, a guncotton booster charge and an ANFO main-charge.
-I also remember a video of a mosquito accidentally setting off that nitro priming compound simply by flying next to it. So thanks but no thanks. I like having my limbs intact.

Mandatory explosive safety course to manufacture primers that are shock, water, electrically resistant unless under very specific un-natural conditions. (a certain high voltage, very high impact, etc.)

Sadly, finding out how to make berdan rifle-primers the right way is a lot harder than figuring out how to do it the wrong/insanely-danger ways.
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Postby New Visayan Islands » Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:35 pm

Apologies, wrong thread.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:01 am

Just a curiosity killed the cat type question and the work day seems to be quiet so far.
If a person has to ask permission from their spouse/partner to buy a firearm or keep a firearm, isn't that also a form of gun control? IMO, yes.
Having said that, I'm just boggled in why someone would even bother to ask permission, like a kid asking a parent.
I believe in the past I've kinda gone over the permission thing, and I do understand that it is good policy to discuss purchases with your spouse/partner, to ensure the funds are available for said purchase.

Now what brought that up was a while back I had placed an order from Academy on a Panzer Arms AR-12(shot gun) and while driving between campuses, Academy called and said it was in and ready for pick up. Lucky me, that Academy store is smack dab in between the two campuses with a slight detour I could be in and out in 10 or so minutes since I had already done the BGC and paid 90% of the firearm when I ordered it. Well I ran into Ms. "You allow your husband to do X?" Tattle-tale. (Shes married to one of my ol lady's underlings) at the service counter. Once she saw what I was picking up, she lost her shit and wanted to know if my wife knew I was buying a firearm, especially "one of those" firearms. I said nope, paid the remaining balance and left. Well Ms. Tattle-Tale called my wife to let her know, and once again my wife had to let this woman know that I was an adult and that I pretty much do as I please anyways.

This same woman months ago when she and her husband were at the house as he needed to pick up some stuff for work from my ol lady, blew a gasket because I was watching "Married with Children" and her two young kids were there and would be exposed to it, and went off on a tangent about how "distasteful" and other woke-isms on how that show was and then stormed off when I wouldn't change the channel and asked my ol lady if she "allowed" me to watch such things. Hell even my kids laughed at her. I feel so sorry for that guy being married to such a fucking harpy bitch.

Truth be told, I do get a kick in getting her going, she's fun to fuck with and watch her meltdowns.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:20 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:Just a curiosity killed the cat type question and the work day seems to be quiet so far.
If a person has to ask permission from their spouse/partner to buy a firearm or keep a firearm, isn't that also a form of gun control? IMO, yes.
Having said that, I'm just boggled in why someone would even bother to ask permission, like a kid asking a parent.
I believe in the past I've kinda gone over the permission thing, and I do understand that it is good policy to discuss purchases with your spouse/partner, to ensure the funds are available for said purchase.

Now what brought that up was a while back I had placed an order from Academy on a Panzer Arms AR-12(shot gun) and while driving between campuses, Academy called and said it was in and ready for pick up. Lucky me, that Academy store is smack dab in between the two campuses with a slight detour I could be in and out in 10 or so minutes since I had already done the BGC and paid 90% of the firearm when I ordered it. Well I ran into Ms. "You allow your husband to do X?" Tattle-tale. (Shes married to one of my ol lady's underlings) at the service counter. Once she saw what I was picking up, she lost her shit and wanted to know if my wife knew I was buying a firearm, especially "one of those" firearms. I said nope, paid the remaining balance and left. Well Ms. Tattle-Tale called my wife to let her know, and once again my wife had to let this woman know that I was an adult and that I pretty much do as I please anyways.

This same woman months ago when she and her husband were at the house as he needed to pick up some stuff for work from my ol lady, blew a gasket because I was watching "Married with Children" and her two young kids were there, and went off on a tangent about how "distasteful" that show was and then stormed off when I wouldn't change the channel and asked my ol lady if she "allowed" me to watch such things. Hell even my kids laughed at her. I feel so sorry for that guy being married to such a fucking harpy bitch.

Gun control? No.

A terrible marriage? Hell yes.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:31 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Just a curiosity killed the cat type question and the work day seems to be quiet so far.
If a person has to ask permission from their spouse/partner to buy a firearm or keep a firearm, isn't that also a form of gun control? IMO, yes.
Having said that, I'm just boggled in why someone would even bother to ask permission, like a kid asking a parent.
I believe in the past I've kinda gone over the permission thing, and I do understand that it is good policy to discuss purchases with your spouse/partner, to ensure the funds are available for said purchase.

Now what brought that up was a while back I had placed an order from Academy on a Panzer Arms AR-12(shot gun) and while driving between campuses, Academy called and said it was in and ready for pick up. Lucky me, that Academy store is smack dab in between the two campuses with a slight detour I could be in and out in 10 or so minutes since I had already done the BGC and paid 90% of the firearm when I ordered it. Well I ran into Ms. "You allow your husband to do X?" Tattle-tale. (Shes married to one of my ol lady's underlings) at the service counter. Once she saw what I was picking up, she lost her shit and wanted to know if my wife knew I was buying a firearm, especially "one of those" firearms. I said nope, paid the remaining balance and left. Well Ms. Tattle-Tale called my wife to let her know, and once again my wife had to let this woman know that I was an adult and that I pretty much do as I please anyways.

This same woman months ago when she and her husband were at the house as he needed to pick up some stuff for work from my ol lady, blew a gasket because I was watching "Married with Children" and her two young kids were there, and went off on a tangent about how "distasteful" that show was and then stormed off when I wouldn't change the channel and asked my ol lady if she "allowed" me to watch such things. Hell even my kids laughed at her. I feel so sorry for that guy being married to such a fucking harpy bitch.

Gun control? No.

A terrible marriage? Hell yes.


How about, should a person forgo their ability to keep and bear arms, just because their spouse/partner is a prohibited person?

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:51 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Gun control? No.

A terrible marriage? Hell yes.


How about, should a person forgo their ability to keep and bear arms, just because their spouse/partner is a prohibited person?

Are you asking as a matter of personal choice or as a legal matter? Because I'm of the opinion that enforcing the prohibited person laws in that case is an unconstitutional infringement of the spouse's right to bear arms and of their rights as a married couple to cohabitate.
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Postby Adamede » Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:51 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Gun control? No.

A terrible marriage? Hell yes.


How about, should a person forgo their ability to keep and bear arms, just because their spouse/partner is a prohibited person?

Imho if you’re a person to dangerous to be around a gun you Shoshone probably be in some form of institution, be it prison or a hospital or asylum.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:57 am

Adamede wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
How about, should a person forgo their ability to keep and bear arms, just because their spouse/partner is a prohibited person?

Imho if you’re a person to dangerous to be around a gun you Shoshone probably be in some form of institution, be it prison or a hospital or asylum.

I know it's a typo, but we need to make that catch on as slang...
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:13 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
How about, should a person forgo their ability to keep and bear arms, just because their spouse/partner is a prohibited person?

Are you asking as a matter of personal choice or as a legal matter? Because I'm of the opinion that enforcing the prohibited person laws in that case is an unconstitutional infringement of the spouse's right to bear arms and of their rights as a married couple to cohabitate.

From a legal matter. I'm of the same mind.

Adamede wrote:Imho if you’re a person to dangerous to be around a gun you Shoshone probably be in some form of institution, be it prison or a hospital or asylum.


Agreed. However, I'm sure you have read/seen stories of where a person has had their firearms confiscated or forced to keep them else where because of their spouse/partner was a prohibited person.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:09 pm

FYI. Arkansas has become the 35th state with a Stand Your Ground Law and Montana became a Constitutional Carry state last week.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:48 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:FYI. Arkansas has become the 35th state with a Stand Your Ground Law and Montana became a Constitutional Carry state last week.

I will point out that once again that stand your ground laws are an insane response to an insane prosecutorial practice that takes place in their absence.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Mar 09, 2021 7:20 am

So I gotta ask, to make sure I got this sand in vagina rule of the day down.
Is a person or a group of persons suppose to cease and desist when another person or group is offended by the first groups actions or message even though said first group is legally withing their right to continue said actions? After all, here I thought enumerated rights trump feelings or some sort of social justice bullshit?

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Tue Mar 09, 2021 7:41 am

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:I have that. I found a copy at a thrift store. Teenage Pax read a lot of books that are probably banned, such as certain US military field manuals, and The Poor Man’s James Bond. Banning guns will not stop mass casualty events; it’s surprising what nasty things can be made out of household chemicals, and are capable of killing a lot more people then a gun.

Ah yes, the spy-manuals that somehow keep finding their way into the secluded non-fiction sections of public school libraries.

AKA: "The happy funtimes aisle"

Honestly I'm pretty sure librarians keep tabs on people that linger over there in case they need to get a counselor to intervene.

At some point they had to write a note to essentially disregard referral-worthy "offenses" as I kinda needed to stay in class and I was generally harmless and had a history of being non-violent.
-Like... Desmon Doss levels of hard-coded no-kill parameters. If I somehow did snap, somebody done screwed up good and has angered the school's Ned Flanders into an omnicidal rage.

Although that did happen from time to time.

I actually don’t know if my high school library had any. I found them elsewhere. On the subject of The Anarchist Cookbook, I know it’s unsafe.
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Miku the Based wrote:Mandatory explosive safety course to manufacture primers that are shock, water, electrically resistant unless under very specific un-natural conditions. (a certain high voltage, very high impact, etc.)

Sadly, finding out how to make berdan rifle-primers the right way is a lot harder than figuring out how to do it the wrong/insanely-danger ways.

I wish it was easier to safely make primers.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:10 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:So I gotta ask, to make sure I got this sand in vagina rule of the day down.
Is a person or a group of persons suppose to cease and desist when another person or group is offended by the first groups actions or message even though said first group is legally withing their right to continue said actions? After all, here I thought enumerated rights trump feelings or some sort of social justice bullshit?

That doesn't apply to the second amendment, you silly goose!
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:48 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:So I gotta ask, to make sure I got this sand in vagina rule of the day down.
Is a person or a group of persons suppose to cease and desist when another person or group is offended by the first groups actions or message even though said first group is legally withing their right to continue said actions? After all, here I thought enumerated rights trump feelings or some sort of social justice bullshit?

That doesn't apply to the second amendment, you silly goose!

Well Apparently so, and also if you are in a picture wearing a chest rig and a rifle slung around your neck at a place that teaches firearm self defense courses, you are a "white supremacist and a militia member*" because perception is reality or some such bullshit and because of white-guilt one won't even listen or exercise any critical thinking.

*Even applies to black folks or asked if they are a token.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:44 am

DUUUUUUUMB!
Autokeycard.com Seized By ATF, Owner Arrested For Selling A Drawing
So now it's a machine gun part even if it's just a drawing on a piece of metal? Fucking dumb.
The man sold a credit card-sized piece of metal with an outline of a lightning link.

A lightning link is a piece of metal that a user bends to drop into an AR15. When engaged, the lightning link transforms the firearm into a fully automatic machine gun. The ATF recently busted a West Virginia man for selling 3D printed “portal wall hangers” that buyers could use as a drop-in auto sear (DIAS).

Ervin sold his product as a novelty. The autokey card did have a drawing of a lightning link on the surface, but it was far from finished. For a person to use the device in a gun, the end-user would have cut out the lightning link and bend the metal before they could use it in an AR15. The owner of the company did not even etch the lightning link on the piece of metal. It was just an outline...

.....The ATF admits that Ervin did not sell a complete machine gun but did point to 26 U.S.C. §§ 5845(b).

Under that subsection, it is illegal to possess “any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun.” The ATF did not buy that Ervin was selling the autokey card as a novelty. The law enforcement agency will probably not extend that defense to gun owners that purchased the auto keycard off the man’s website.


Ahh, the ridiculousness of the NFA. What a shit fucking law.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:56 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:DUUUUUUUMB!
Autokeycard.com Seized By ATF, Owner Arrested For Selling A Drawing
So now it's a machine gun part even if it's just a drawing on a piece of metal? Fucking dumb.
The man sold a credit card-sized piece of metal with an outline of a lightning link.

A lightning link is a piece of metal that a user bends to drop into an AR15. When engaged, the lightning link transforms the firearm into a fully automatic machine gun. The ATF recently busted a West Virginia man for selling 3D printed “portal wall hangers” that buyers could use as a drop-in auto sear (DIAS).

Ervin sold his product as a novelty. The autokey card did have a drawing of a lightning link on the surface, but it was far from finished. For a person to use the device in a gun, the end-user would have cut out the lightning link and bend the metal before they could use it in an AR15. The owner of the company did not even etch the lightning link on the piece of metal. It was just an outline...

.....The ATF admits that Ervin did not sell a complete machine gun but did point to 26 U.S.C. §§ 5845(b).

Under that subsection, it is illegal to possess “any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun.” The ATF did not buy that Ervin was selling the autokey card as a novelty. The law enforcement agency will probably not extend that defense to gun owners that purchased the auto keycard off the man’s website.


Ahh, the ridiculousness of the NFA. What a shit fucking law.

I like the part where they want people who bought one to contact their local ATF office, yet they won't promise immunity if you do so...
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:03 am

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Grinning Dragon wrote:DUUUUUUUMB!
Autokeycard.com Seized By ATF, Owner Arrested For Selling A Drawing
So now it's a machine gun part even if it's just a drawing on a piece of metal? Fucking dumb.


Ahh, the ridiculousness of the NFA. What a shit fucking law.

I like the part where they want people who bought one to contact their local ATF office, yet they won't promise immunity if you do so...


Well intended actions has consequences and loose lips sink ships and all that. Pretty much doubt those who bought one are gonna risk it by contacting fed shitbrick inc.

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:30 am

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The Two Jerseys wrote:I like the part where they want people who bought one to contact their local ATF office, yet they won't promise immunity if you do so...


Well intended actions has consequences and loose lips sink ships and all that. Pretty much doubt those who bought one are gonna risk it by contacting fed shitbrick inc.

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