Gun Control 2022 (IV) - Gun Rights, Control, & Government

[Paddy O Fernature]

Jesus fuck, who job was it to keep the Democrats from watching Stargate again?

>_<

Sad part is that those aliens who just learned about guns 2 minutes ago still know more about guns than the Democrats do...

"This... is a ghost gun..."

Cringe

[Dresderstan]

Jesus fuck, who job was it to keep the Democrats from watching Stargate again?

>_<

Sad part is that those aliens who just learned about guns 2 minutes ago still know more about guns than the Democrats do...

Waiting for the day people wake up and realize how tyrannical the government is and remove them by force.

[Miku the Based]

This is generally an OOC thread

but this is just my stance
amaerican gunlaws are garbage

Be careful, apparently IC in General is "trolling".

[National Capitalist United States]

but this is just my stance
amaerican gunlaws are garbage

Be careful, apparently IC in General is "trolling".

Being in character =/= Your nation represents your actual views

[Miku the Based]

Be careful, apparently IC in General is "trolling".

Being in character =/= Your nation represents your actual views

Some people don't hide behind irony and arn't afraid of expressing their opinion.
Some nations it would make more contextual sense to express their view opinion or decree by being IC. Take the above example to give nukes to non-felons. It would not make sense if one lives in a country where there is a large (or really any) subset of people who are considered felon but not by the NS user.

[The Chuck]

Being in character =/= Your nation represents your actual views

Some people don't hide behind irony and arn't afraid of expressing their opinion.
Some nations it would make more contextual sense to express their view opinion or decree by being IC. Take the above example to give nukes to non-felons. It would not make sense if one lives in a country where there is a large (or really any) subset of people who are considered felon but not by the NS user.

Not the place to discuss IC vs. OOC Miku. We're here to debate the merits of firearms ownership and gun control.

[Grinning Dragon]

Cancerous medical waste Rep. Andriano Espaillat (D-NY) has decided that build kits need to be treated as actual firearms.
From FPC.
Oppose HR 1454 - Treats Firearm Assembly Kits As Actual Guns
HR 1454

Would amend title 18, United States Code, to require firearm assembly kits to be considered to be firearms.

Although full text is not yet available for this just-introduced legislation, it's clear that HR 1454 is a vicious attack on the RKBA. By defining firearm assembly kits as firearms, the government is opening the door to attacks on 80% lowers, home builds, and parts like stocks & aftermarket triggers.

One need only look to California and its regulation of "firearms precursor parts" to see where Rep. Espaillat could go with this anti-gun bill. HR 1454 would likely cripple home builds and strip you of your right to assemble firearms in the privacy of your home.

Indeed, HR 1454 can also be seen as a backdoor gun registry. Imagine having to register every trigger, spring and frame in your possession. Worse, this legislation could be paired with HR 125, which if signed into law would institute a 7-day federal waiting period on guns.

In other words, you could end up having to not only transfer firearms parts to an FFL prior to taking possession of your property, but you could end up having to endure a 7-day waiting period on every common spring and hunk of metal due to the government's new classification of "firearms."

The fact of the matter is classifying "parts" as a firearm opens the door to massive abuses ranging from registration to gun rationing and more. It must therefore be opposed, and we need your help to stop this legislation from advancing.

[The Two Jerseys]

Cancerous medical waste Rep. Andriano Espaillat (D-NY) has decided that build kits need to be treated as actual firearms.
From FPC.
Oppose HR 1454 - Treats Firearm Assembly Kits As Actual Guns
HR 1454

Would amend title 18, United States Code, to require firearm assembly kits to be considered to be firearms.

Although full text is not yet available for this just-introduced legislation, it's clear that HR 1454 is a vicious attack on the RKBA. By defining firearm assembly kits as firearms, the government is opening the door to attacks on 80% lowers, home builds, and parts like stocks & aftermarket triggers.

One need only look to California and its regulation of "firearms precursor parts" to see where Rep. Espaillat could go with this anti-gun bill. HR 1454 would likely cripple home builds and strip you of your right to assemble firearms in the privacy of your home.

Indeed, HR 1454 can also be seen as a backdoor gun registry. Imagine having to register every trigger, spring and frame in your possession. Worse, this legislation could be paired with HR 125, which if signed into law would institute a 7-day federal waiting period on guns.

In other words, you could end up having to not only transfer firearms parts to an FFL prior to taking possession of your property, but you could end up having to endure a 7-day waiting period on every common spring and hunk of metal due to the government's new classification of "firearms."

The fact of the matter is classifying "parts" as a firearm opens the door to massive abuses ranging from registration to gun rationing and more. It must therefore be opposed, and we need your help to stop this legislation from advancing.

I'm willing to bet that kit cars have killed more people than gun build kits.

[Grinning Dragon]

Cancerous medical waste Rep. Andriano Espaillat (D-NY) has decided that build kits need to be treated as actual firearms.
From FPC.
Oppose HR 1454 - Treats Firearm Assembly Kits As Actual Guns
HR 1454

I'm willing to bet that kit cars have killed more people than gun build kits.

*Obligatory anti gunner twitching screech* "but it isn't designed to kill"

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

Exactly...
Dan Wos: There is “No Such Thing as Gun-Violence”

The term “gun-violence” is at the center of the political left’s anti-gun fear-campaign. The entire gun-grab agenda is based on this one nomenclature. ...

What bullshit. If you want to coin a new term for "violence committed with a gun" then let's hear it.

[Grinning Dragon]

Exactly...
Dan Wos: There is “No Such Thing as Gun-Violence”

What bullshit. If you want to coin a new term for "violence committed with a gun" then let's hear it.

Yeah, easy peasy, lemon squeezy. Its called violence.
There is no need to coin a "new term" when one already exists, quit placing the blame on firearms. Again no such thing as gun violence.

[Galloism]

Exactly...
Dan Wos: There is “No Such Thing as Gun-Violence”

What bullshit. If you want to coin a new term for "violence committed with a gun" then let's hear it.

This is not a nomenclature choice done without purpose.

No one talks about hammer violence, or bat violence, or car violence, or fist violence, or boot violence. There's a reason.

[Pax Nerdvana]

Cancerous medical waste Rep. Andriano Espaillat (D-NY) has decided that build kits need to be treated as actual firearms.
From FPC.
Oppose HR 1454 - Treats Firearm Assembly Kits As Actual Guns
HR 1454

Would amend title 18, United States Code, to require firearm assembly kits to be considered to be firearms.

Although full text is not yet available for this just-introduced legislation, it's clear that HR 1454 is a vicious attack on the RKBA. By defining firearm assembly kits as firearms, the government is opening the door to attacks on 80% lowers, home builds, and parts like stocks & aftermarket triggers.

One need only look to California and its regulation of "firearms precursor parts" to see where Rep. Espaillat could go with this anti-gun bill. HR 1454 would likely cripple home builds and strip you of your right to assemble firearms in the privacy of your home.

Indeed, HR 1454 can also be seen as a backdoor gun registry. Imagine having to register every trigger, spring and frame in your possession. Worse, this legislation could be paired with HR 125, which if signed into law would institute a 7-day federal waiting period on guns.

In other words, you could end up having to not only transfer firearms parts to an FFL prior to taking possession of your property, but you could end up having to endure a 7-day waiting period on every common spring and hunk of metal due to the government's new classification of "firearms."

The fact of the matter is classifying "parts" as a firearm opens the door to massive abuses ranging from registration to gun rationing and more. It must therefore be opposed, and we need your help to stop this legislation from advancing.

As if they can stop me from buy piano wire, flat stock, and steel pipe.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

What bullshit. If you want to coin a new term for "violence committed with a gun" then let's hear it.

This is not a nomenclature choice done without purpose.

No one talks about hammer violence, or bat violence, or car violence, or fist violence, or boot violence. There's a reason.

Countries where knives are the most common weapon in crime, do speak of knife violence.

More than six times as many murders are committed with some kind of gun, in the US, than with a knife.

If it's meaningless to distinguish between methods, then henceforth "murder" means "murder with a gun" and "suicide" means "suicide by gun"

Even that's not as ridiculous as the quoted commentator deliberately parsing "gun violence" wrong, in a way that would make "gun sport" meaningless since it's the person sporting not the gun. It's a pathetic attempt to deny the really terrible role guns play in violent crime, which by the simplest of logic would not have been as violent in most cases if the perpetrator had not had a gun.

[Grinning Dragon]

This is not a nomenclature choice done without purpose.

No one talks about hammer violence, or bat violence, or car violence, or fist violence, or boot violence. There's a reason.

Countries where knives are the most common weapon in crime, do speak of knife violence.

More than six times as many murders are committed with some kind of gun, in the US, than with a knife.

If it's meaningless to distinguish between methods, then henceforth "murder" means "murder with a gun" and "suicide" means "suicide by gun"

Even that's not as ridiculous as the quoted commentator deliberately parsing "gun violence" wrong, in a way that would make "gun sport" meaningless since it's the person sporting not the gun. It's a pathetic attempt to deny the really terrible role guns play in violent crime, which by the simplest of logic would not have been as violent in most cases if the perpetrator had not had a gun.

This isn't true, knives are used more than firearms in homicides, note not all homicides are unjustified or carry a murder charge at 28% whereas only 3% involving firearms for the same circumstance as per the FBI UCR

It all comes down to the person, the person committed the act, the firearm is just a tool, just as a knife, bat, hands, feet, etc.
Again, no such thing as "gun violence"

[The Two Jerseys]

I'm willing to bet that kit cars have killed more people than gun build kits.

*Obligatory anti gunner twitching screech* "but it isn't designed to kill"

*looks at Cobra 427 S/C with 485 hp in a 2300 lb car and no safety equipment*

Are you sure about that, chief?

[Grinning Dragon]

*Obligatory anti gunner twitching screech* "but it isn't designed to kill"

*looks at Cobra 427 S/C with 485 hp in a 2300 lb car and no safety equipment*

Are you sure about that, chief?

Well if you drive it like Caroll Shelby perhaps
Gotta ask, 65 or 66?

[Paddy O Fernature]

Countries where knives are the most common weapon in crime, do speak of knife violence.

More than six times as many murders are committed with some kind of gun, in the US, than with a knife.

If it's meaningless to distinguish between methods, then henceforth "murder" means "murder with a gun" and "suicide" means "suicide by gun"

Even that's not as ridiculous as the quoted commentator deliberately parsing "gun violence" wrong, in a way that would make "gun sport" meaningless since it's the person sporting not the gun. It's a pathetic attempt to deny the really terrible role guns play in violent crime, which by the simplest of logic would not have been as violent in most cases if the perpetrator had not had a gun.

This isn't true, knives are used more than firearms in homicides, note not all homicides are unjustified or carry a murder charge at 28% whereas only 3% involving firearms for the same circumstance as per the FBI UCR

It all comes down to the person, the person committed the act, the firearm is just a tool, just as a knife, bat, hands, feet, etc.
Again, no such thing as "gun violence"

Well said. Looks like facts put a bullet in another AG's poorly thought out argument.

[Grinning Dragon]

This isn't true, knives are used more than firearms in homicides, note not all homicides are unjustified or carry a murder charge at 28% whereas only 3% involving firearms for the same circumstance as per the FBI UCR

It all comes down to the person, the person committed the act, the firearm is just a tool, just as a knife, bat, hands, feet, etc.
Again, no such thing as "gun violence"

Well said. Looks like facts put a bullet in another AG's poorly thought out argument.

Well, it makes the most sense, since melee weapons are easily available more so than a firearm and a person grabs the first pointy thing, then again nothing beats the most readily available weapon, hands and feet.

[Greater Cesnica]

This isn't true, knives are used more than firearms in homicides, note not all homicides are unjustified or carry a murder charge at 28% whereas only 3% involving firearms for the same circumstance as per the FBI UCR

It all comes down to the person, the person committed the act, the firearm is just a tool, just as a knife, bat, hands, feet, etc.
Again, no such thing as "gun violence"

Well said. Looks like facts put a bullet in another AG's poorly thought out argument.

Did ASoT literally pull that statistic out of thin air to justify their incoherent stance on firearms? Not surprised if so.

[Grinning Dragon]

Well said. Looks like facts put a bullet in another AG's poorly thought out argument.

Did ASoT literally pull that statistic out of thin air to justify their incoherent stance on firearms? Not surprised if so.

Perhaps ASoT read it in passing from the likes of making up their owns stats such as, brady, everyclown, moms demand O's, etc

[The Chuck]

This is not a nomenclature choice done without purpose.

No one talks about hammer violence, or bat violence, or car violence, or fist violence, or boot violence. There's a reason.

Countries where knives are the most common weapon in crime, do speak of knife violence.

More than six times as many murders are committed with some kind of gun, in the US, than with a knife.

If it's meaningless to distinguish between methods, then henceforth "murder" means "murder with a gun" and "suicide" means "suicide by gun"

Even that's not as ridiculous as the quoted commentator deliberately parsing "gun violence" wrong, in a way that would make "gun sport" meaningless since it's the person sporting not the gun. It's a pathetic attempt to deny the really terrible role guns play in violent crime, which by the simplest of logic would not have been as violent in most cases if the perpetrator had not had a gun.

Back up what you say ASoT or else you'll get called out on false claims. Perhaps doing more research instead of acting extremely arrogant towards others would be beneficial with supporting your arguments?

[Punished UMN]

This is not a nomenclature choice done without purpose.

No one talks about hammer violence, or bat violence, or car violence, or fist violence, or boot violence. There's a reason.

Countries where knives are the most common weapon in crime, do speak of knife violence.

More than six times as many murders are committed with some kind of gun, in the US, than with a knife.

If it's meaningless to distinguish between methods, then henceforth "murder" means "murder with a gun" and "suicide" means "suicide by gun"

Even that's not as ridiculous as the quoted commentator deliberately parsing "gun violence" wrong, in a way that would make "gun sport" meaningless since it's the person sporting not the gun. It's a pathetic attempt to deny the really terrible role guns play in violent crime, which by the simplest of logic would not have been as violent in most cases if the perpetrator had not had a gun.

Even if all your statistics were correct, it wouldn't make your conclusion inherently accurate. Murder tends to happen with whatever path offers the easiest means of accomplishing it, and if a gun isn't available, for most people's purposes, other things will do just fine. Guns make more of a difference with things like mass murder, but that is a statistically insignificant portion of murders.

[Greater Cesnica]

Countries where knives are the most common weapon in crime, do speak of knife violence.

More than six times as many murders are committed with some kind of gun, in the US, than with a knife.

If it's meaningless to distinguish between methods, then henceforth "murder" means "murder with a gun" and "suicide" means "suicide by gun"

Even that's not as ridiculous as the quoted commentator deliberately parsing "gun violence" wrong, in a way that would make "gun sport" meaningless since it's the person sporting not the gun. It's a pathetic attempt to deny the really terrible role guns play in violent crime, which by the simplest of logic would not have been as violent in most cases if the perpetrator had not had a gun.

Even if all your statistics were correct, it wouldn't make your conclusion inherently accurate. Murder tends to happen with whatever path offers the easiest means of accomplishing it, and if a gun isn't available, for most people's purposes, other things will do just fine. Guns make more of a difference with things like mass murder, but that is a statistically insignificant portion of murders.

Reminder that a van, truck, or car is capable of unleashing mass casualties in a much more expedient manner than a semi-automatic firearm.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Even if all your statistics were correct, it wouldn't make your conclusion inherently accurate. Murder tends to happen with whatever path offers the easiest means of accomplishing it, and if a gun isn't available, for most people's purposes, other things will do just fine. Guns make more of a difference with things like mass murder, but that is a statistically insignificant portion of murders.

Reminder that a van, truck, or car is capable of unleashing mass casualties in a much more expedient manner than a semi-automatic firearm.

Bleach bomb plus vinegar in a confined metro during rush-hour would do it too.

Although I'm pretty sure that's banned internationally. Not sure how well it's enforced, though.

Seriously, don't.

If you se someone trying to pull such a stunt at your local metro, please report them immediately.
-Easily save a few hundred lives by taking a few minutes of your time.

Friends don't let friends gas the metro stations.