Gun Control 2022 (IV) - Gun Rights, Control, & Government

[Pax Nerdvana]

Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be a convenience store instead of a law enforcement agency.

[Grinning Dragon]

Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be a convenience store instead of a law enforcement agency.

The BATFe(ARBF) is about as useful as tits on a boar. Another wasteful tax dollar boondoggle.

[Washington Resistance Army]

So have we talked about the fact that some ATF insiders blew the whistle that they're getting ready for massive crackdowns under the incoming Biden administration because they'll have the political capital? Cuz that's a thing that came out.

[Grinning Dragon]

So have we talked about the fact that some ATF insiders blew the whistle that they're getting ready for massive crackdowns under the incoming Biden administration because they'll have the political capital? Cuz that's a thing that came out.

I've heard the same thing. Also the scuttle butt around the arm brace and Q is that there is a couple of rouge BATFe(ARBF) higher ups are doing this in an attempt to hurt trump. How I don't know, as IMO, this would just piss off those gun owners still on the fence on who gets their vote.
A biden admin would be disastrous to gun owners if the dems retain the house and gain seats in the senate. Keeping biden away from the presidency is much preferable.

[The Two Jerseys]

So have we talked about the fact that some ATF insiders blew the whistle that they're getting ready for massive crackdowns under the incoming Biden administration because they'll have the political capital? Cuz that's a thing that came out.

I've heard the same thing. Also the scuttle butt around the arm brace and Q is that there is a couple of rouge BATFe(ARBF) higher ups are doing this in an attempts to hurt trump. How I don't know, as IMO, this would just piss off those gun owners still on the fence on who gets their vote.
A biden admin would be disastrous to gun owners if the dems retain the house and gain seats in the senate. Keeping biden away from the presidency is much preferable.

Come on Mitch, hurry up and get Barrett in there!

[Celritannia]

Trump hasn't always been the best for pro-firearm rights either though.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Trump hasn't always been the best for pro-firearm rights either though.

100% he hasn't. But Biden/Kamala with a Dem House and Dem Senate along with Beto running gun policy and ongoing murmurs of court packing is quite literally the worst it could get in terms of gun rights.

[Grinning Dragon]

Trump hasn't always been the best for pro-firearm rights either though.

Agreed. When he had the house, why he didn't push to deregulate suppressors and other very popular measures the gun community favored to see legislation getting passed, let us know he was 2nd Amendment lite, then again shouldn't had been all that much of a surprise as his past views on da gunz wasn't a secret.

[Dogmeat]

Trump hasn't always been the best for pro-firearm rights either though.

100% he hasn't. But Biden/Kamala with a Dem House and Dem Senate along with Beto running gun policy and ongoing murmurs of court packing is quite literally the worst it could get in terms of gun rights.

Probably not. Let's not forget that the murmurs only exist because the current court is heavily slanted conservative.

Biden is enough of a political nothing that he could be a danger to gun rights, but probably won't be unless it becomes hugely politically advantageous. I expect mostly annoying, tedious nonsense regulations from his administration.

[Celritannia]

100% he hasn't. But Biden/Kamala with a Dem House and Dem Senate along with Beto running gun policy and ongoing murmurs of court packing is quite literally the worst it could get in terms of gun rights.

Probably not. Let's not forget that the murmurs only exist because the current court is heavily slanted conservative.

Biden is enough of a political nothing that he could be a danger to gun rights, but probably won't be unless it becomes hugely politically advantageous. I expect mostly annoying, tedious nonsense regulations from his administration.

Agreed.

I think Biden will be focusing more on social issues like healthcare, police reforms, and the virus (which is far more important, and far better for him to be President). I don't think either he or the Democrats will have enough time or even pay too much attention to firearm issues.

[Washington Resistance Army]

100% he hasn't. But Biden/Kamala with a Dem House and Dem Senate along with Beto running gun policy and ongoing murmurs of court packing is quite literally the worst it could get in terms of gun rights.

Probably not. Let's not forget that the murmurs only exist because the current court is heavily slanted conservative.

Biden is enough of a political nothing that he could be a danger to gun rights, but probably won't be unless it becomes hugely politically advantageous. I expect mostly annoying, tedious nonsense regulations from his administration.

It would be hugely politically advantageous. The base would eat it up and be overjoyed, it'd be a devastating defeat to the GOP and it'd secure Biden a legacy.

[The Two Jerseys]

Probably not. Let's not forget that the murmurs only exist because the current court is heavily slanted conservative.

Biden is enough of a political nothing that he could be a danger to gun rights, but probably won't be unless it becomes hugely politically advantageous. I expect mostly annoying, tedious nonsense regulations from his administration.

Agreed.

I think Biden will be focusing more on social issues like healthcare, police reforms, and the virus (which is far more important, and far better for him to be President). I don't think either he or the Democrats will have enough time or even pay too much attention to firearm issues.

Never underestimate politicians' ability to ignore more important issues in favor of petty partisan point scoring.

[Dogmeat]

Probably not. Let's not forget that the murmurs only exist because the current court is heavily slanted conservative.

Biden is enough of a political nothing that he could be a danger to gun rights, but probably won't be unless it becomes hugely politically advantageous. I expect mostly annoying, tedious nonsense regulations from his administration.

It would be hugely politically advantageous. The base would eat it up and be overjoyed, it'd be a devastating defeat to the GOP and it'd secure Biden a legacy.

I know people think that, but the Democrats don't win big when they push for gun regulation, and usually only do so immediately following a mass-shooting. And even then, only because a part of their base demands it.

I think they know it's a losing argument for them. Or if they don't, they should.

[Washington Resistance Army]

It would be hugely politically advantageous. The base would eat it up and be overjoyed, it'd be a devastating defeat to the GOP and it'd secure Biden a legacy.

I know people think that, but the Democrats don't win big when they push for gun regulation, and usually only do so immediately following a mass-shooting. And even then, only because a part of their base demands it.

I think they know it's a losing argument for them. Or if they don't, they should.

Oh they regularly and consistently push for it. Every blue state is always loading on more and more laws, and they regularly attempt the same things federally but they've always failed because of the 60 votes needed to pass the Senate. With Schumer pretty openly declaring going fully nuclear and only requiring 50 votes, well, that last little bit of protection is gonna be gone.

Plus with some polling I saw earlier with nearly half of both parties believing violence is at least somewhat justifiable if they lose in November it's looking like there's gonna be some really fun times ahead.

[Diopolis]

Trump hasn't always been the best for pro-firearm rights either though.

100% he hasn't. But Biden/Kamala with a Dem House and Dem Senate along with Beto running gun policy and ongoing murmurs of court packing is quite literally the worst it could get in terms of gun rights.

I dunno. The way it's looking, a dem senate will rely on Manchin and a dem house will rely on the blue doggers.
Bad, yes, but not that bad.

[Diopolis]

I know people think that, but the Democrats don't win big when they push for gun regulation, and usually only do so immediately following a mass-shooting. And even then, only because a part of their base demands it.

I think they know it's a losing argument for them. Or if they don't, they should.

Oh they regularly and consistently push for it. Every blue state is always loading on more and more laws, and they regularly attempt the same things federally but they've always failed because of the 60 votes needed to pass the Senate. With Schumer pretty openly declaring going fully nuclear and only requiring 50 votes, well, that last little bit of protection is gonna be gone.

Plus with some polling I saw earlier with nearly half of both parties believing violence is at least somewhat justifiable if they lose in November it's looking like there's gonna be some really fun times ahead.

Smart money is on dems having a bare fifty majority if you assume Manchin votes party line(which he won't), and they lose it after two years.
Schumer won't have the votes.

[Celritannia]

I personally do not think the Dems will do much with Firearm issues, simply because many firearm owners do want to see greater improvements to healthcare and what not.
If the Dems try and do anything with firearms, they will see their support dwindle from gun-owning Democrats (especially those in the swing states) who want better welfare and social policies.

[Diopolis]

I personally do not think the Dems will do much with Firearm issues, simply because many firearm owners do want to see greater improvements to healthcare and what not.
If the Dems try and do anything with firearms, they will see their support dwindle from gun-owning Democrats (especially those in the swing states) who want better welfare and social policies.

They won't have the votes because their majority depends on blue dogs. They won't have the time to get to it, because they're more focused on 1) the stimulus bill and 2) vapid bullshit more likely to directly appeal to their base(and again, smart money is they lose control of the senate in two years).

[Pax Nerdvana]

Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be a convenience store instead of a law enforcement agency.

The BATFe(ARBF) is about as useful as tits on a boar. Another wasteful tax dollar boondoggle.

Like much of what the government spends our tax dollars on.
On the subject of the Dems, I feel they're heading for a split within the next decade or so. The radical elements in the party are alienating the moderates and centrists. Fortunately, I don't think there's any feasible way for the government to even try a confiscation after the election, unless they're willing to spend blood and treasure on it. Gun sales have done nothing but go up, and there's no list or registries, fortunately. Ideally, Biden will lose.

[Genivaria]

Trump hasn't always been the best for pro-firearm rights either though.

100% he hasn't. But Biden/Kamala with a Dem House and Dem Senate along with Beto running gun policy and ongoing murmurs of court packing is quite literally the worst it could get in terms of gun rights.

The Dems will be anti-gun as long as the establishment is allowed to maintain a monopoly on seats.
I really think Ranked Voting which is gaining popularity will be able to open up candidates of both parties to non-mainstream positions.

At the same time I don't think that there are enough Dems who consider guns to be a hot issue for them to actually do anything big about it atm.

[Diopolis]

100% he hasn't. But Biden/Kamala with a Dem House and Dem Senate along with Beto running gun policy and ongoing murmurs of court packing is quite literally the worst it could get in terms of gun rights.

The Dems will be anti-gun as long as the establishment is allowed to maintain a monopoly on seats.
I really think Ranked Voting which is gaining popularity will be able to open up candidates of both parties to non-mainstream positions.

At the same time I don't think that there are enough Dems who consider guns to be a hot issue for them to actually do anything big about it atm.

And those that do seem pretty happy with state level laws that exist solely to be annoying to gun owners and do nothing outside of that.

[Grinning Dragon]

Firearm safety added to curriculum in two Iowa school districts

We had a similar thing when I was in high school back in the 80s and had been the standard going back to the early 40s it was done away with in the mid 90s. The local sentiment was against getting rid of the course.

[Celritannia]

Firearm safety added to curriculum in two Iowa school districts

We had a similar thing when I was in high school back in the 80s and had been the standard going back to the early 40s it was done away with in the mid 90s. The local sentiment was against getting rid of the course.

In a country where firearms are a right, WTFH was this not a standard before?
This should really be at a federal level.

[Grinning Dragon]

Firearm safety added to curriculum in two Iowa school districts

We had a similar thing when I was in high school back in the 80s and had been the standard going back to the early 40s it was done away with in the mid 90s. The local sentiment was against getting rid of the course.

In a country where firearms are a right, WTFH was this not a standard before?
This should really be at a federal level.

Mostly it's up to the individual school districts or the states. I'd say more rural/city school districts will have a firearm/hunter safety course where hunting is prevalent.
I agree, basic firearm training/safety in schools should be a federal requirement with the option for parents to opt out their children.

[Pax Nerdvana]

Firearm safety added to curriculum in two Iowa school districts

We had a similar thing when I was in high school back in the 80s and had been the standard going back to the early 40s it was done away with in the mid 90s. The local sentiment was against getting rid of the course.

Lucky students. I wish my high school had offered firearms training.