Gun Control 2022 (IV) - Gun Rights, Control, & Government

[Paddy O Fernature]

Soooooo. Apparently one cannot brandish a firearm while in one's home, while an unruly mob is at the gates. Targeted because the homeowner is a trump supporter.

Arrested For Brandishing A Weapon Inside Your Own Home

This is where we are today. Prosecutors will arrest homeowners for brandishing weapons inside their own home, but fail to turn police loose on rioters who threaten the homeowners.
WiscoDave sends this update.
As we reported yesterday, on Tuesday evening, a Trump supporter was arrested for holding a shotgun by the window of his own home as it was surrounded by a mob of far-left lunatics — and it turns out it wasn’t this group’s first time showing up at the home of a random person to “protest” and intimidate.

Sorry folks, NO constitutional right to protest on private property, let alone target/harass/threaten all because someone supports X.

Be a convicted felon in illegal possession of a handgun and get caught on video trying to publicly execute a 17yo kid and you're a national leftest hero, but holding a shotgun not threatening anyone inside your own damned home and fuck you cause reasons!

Yet another shiny example of why the left is absolute dogshit.

[Kowani]

Soooooo. Apparently one cannot brandish a firearm while in one's home, while an unruly mob is at the gates. Targeted because the homeowner is a trump supporter.

Arrested For Brandishing A Weapon Inside Your Own Home


Sorry folks, NO constitutional right to protest on private property, let alone target/harass/threaten all because someone supports X.

Be a convicted felon in illegal possession of a handgun and get caught on video trying to publicly execute a 17yo kid and you're a national leftest hero, but holding a shotgun not threatening anyone inside your own damned home and fuck you cause reasons!

Yet another shiny example of why the left is absolute dogshit.

Is it conflate liberals and leftists time again?

[Plzen]

Is it conflate liberals and leftists time again?

To the right-conservatives, both are enemies and we’d be idiots to think it can ever be otherwise. The conservatives probably sees little need to differentiate between their enemies - they need only know that both are opposed to them and that is insight enough.

Just because we happen to agree with their perspective on one particular issue - the merits of the State restricting the brandishing of firearms in a citizen’s private residence, in this particular case - it doesn’t fundamentally put us on their side of the debate and it never will.

As for the whole “17-year-old kid” issue, I think the law should be modified such that future Kyles do get convicted for murder. Self-defence shouldn’t apply if you deliberately go looking for trouble.

[Diopolis]

Be a convicted felon in illegal possession of a handgun and get caught on video trying to publicly execute a 17yo kid and you're a national leftest hero, but holding a shotgun not threatening anyone inside your own damned home and fuck you cause reasons!

Yet another shiny example of why the left is absolute dogshit.

Is it conflate liberals and leftists time again?

Ooh, look, nitpicking.

[The Emerald Legion]

Is it conflate liberals and leftists time again?

To the right-conservatives, both are enemies and we’d be idiots to think it can ever be otherwise. The conservatives probably sees little need to differentiate between their enemies - they need only know that both are opposed to them and that is insight enough.

Just because we happen to agree with their perspective on one particular issue - the merits of the State restricting the brandishing of firearms in a citizen’s private residence, in this particular case - it doesn’t fundamentally put us on their side of the debate and it never will.

As for the whole “17-year-old kid” issue, I think the law should be modified such that future Kyles do get convicted for murder. Self-defence shouldn’t apply if you deliberately go looking for trouble.

A.) He didn't go looking for trouble. He went to give medical assistance to anyone who needed it.

B.) The right of self defense must be absolute.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Is it conflate liberals and leftists time again?

To the right-conservatives, both are enemies and we’d be idiots to think it can ever be otherwise. The conservatives probably sees little need to differentiate between their enemies - they need only know that both are opposed to them and that is insight enough.

Just because we happen to agree with their perspective on one particular issue - the merits of the State restricting the brandishing of firearms in a citizen’s private residence, in this particular case - it doesn’t fundamentally put us on their side of the debate and it never will.

As for the whole “17-year-old kid” issue, I think the law should be modified such that future Kyles do get convicted for murder. Self-defence shouldn’t apply if you deliberately go looking for trouble.

To be fair, even in a "duty to retreat" state, Kyle still acted in accordance of self defense by exhausting all other reasonable means of getting out of a hostile situation.
-Whihc is more than one could have said about the Zimmerman case.

Also pretty good shooting from someone who'd been pepper-spayed less than 15 minutes prior. (managing to shoot-to-wound in a gunman's arm at close range with a scope mounted three inches off-bore from the barrel is actually quite a bit harder than it sounds... in short, Gage isn't alive because he was a bad shot, he's alive because Kyle was an excellent shot and exercising supreme levels of restraint.)

"A ship in the harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are for." Wisconsin State Supreme Court Justice David Prosser, 2016.
[From a speech including a quote from John A. Shedd, 1928; itself paraphrasing a quote from Theodore Roosevelt]

[Pax Nerdvana]

Soooooo. Apparently one cannot brandish a firearm while in one's home, while an unruly mob is at the gates. Targeted because the homeowner is a trump supporter.

Arrested For Brandishing A Weapon Inside Your Own Home


Sorry folks, NO constitutional right to protest on private property, let alone target/harass/threaten all because someone supports X.

Be a convicted felon in illegal possession of a handgun and get caught on video trying to publicly execute a 17yo kid and you're a national leftest hero, but holding a shotgun not threatening anyone inside your own damned home and fuck you cause reasons!

Yet another shiny example of why the left is absolute dogshit.

Buncha hypocrites. Kyle Rittenhouse did absolutely nothing wrong, and if I were ever in a similar situation, I would hope to have half his courage.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Be a convicted felon in illegal possession of a handgun and get caught on video trying to publicly execute a 17yo kid and you're a national leftest hero, but holding a shotgun not threatening anyone inside your own damned home and fuck you cause reasons!

Yet another shiny example of why the left is absolute dogshit.

Buncha hypocrites. Kyle Rittenhouse did absolutely nothing wrong, and if I were ever in a similar situation, I would hope to have half his courage.

Some say he even managed to clear a malfunction moments before firing the last shot [Gage], Although I figure he was adjusting the brightness on his red-dot (finally having time to turn it on). There were no backup iron-sights on said rifle.

But getting a bit sidetracked, since there's apparently a thread just for that whole discussion.

[Pax Nerdvana]

Buncha hypocrites. Kyle Rittenhouse did absolutely nothing wrong, and if I were ever in a similar situation, I would hope to have half his courage.

Some say he even managed to clear a malfunction moments before firing the last shot [Gage], Although I figure he was adjusting the brightness on his red-dot (finally having time to turn it on). There were no backup iron-sights on said rifle.

But getting a bit sidetracked, since there's apparently a thread just for that whole discussion.

Yeah, that is kind of a threadjack.

[The Ancap States]

BANG BANG BANG

[Chernoslavia]

Be a convicted felon in illegal possession of a handgun and get caught on video trying to publicly execute a 17yo kid and you're a national leftest hero, but holding a shotgun not threatening anyone inside your own damned home and fuck you cause reasons!

Yet another shiny example of why the left is absolute dogshit.

Buncha hypocrites. Kyle Rittenhouse did absolutely nothing wrong, and if I were ever in a similar situation, I would hope to have half his courage.

Honestly people who think Kyle Rittenhouse is guilty of murder deserve to get stomped on by the same boot they support and when it happens it's fun to just point and laugh at them whine about ''muh rights''.

[The Two Jerseys]

Buncha hypocrites. Kyle Rittenhouse did absolutely nothing wrong, and if I were ever in a similar situation, I would hope to have half his courage.

Honestly people who think Kyle Rittenhouse is guilty of murder deserve to get stomped on by the same boot they support and when it happens it's fun to just point and laugh at them whine about ''muh rights''.

By their logic, the guy with the Glock if guilty of treason for participating in an armed insurrection...

[Telconi]

To the right-conservatives, both are enemies and we’d be idiots to think it can ever be otherwise. The conservatives probably sees little need to differentiate between their enemies - they need only know that both are opposed to them and that is insight enough.

Just because we happen to agree with their perspective on one particular issue - the merits of the State restricting the brandishing of firearms in a citizen’s private residence, in this particular case - it doesn’t fundamentally put us on their side of the debate and it never will.

As for the whole “17-year-old kid” issue, I think the law should be modified such that future Kyles do get convicted for murder. Self-defence shouldn’t apply if you deliberately go looking for trouble.

To be fair, even in a "duty to retreat" state, Kyle still acted in accordance of self defense by exhausting all other reasonable means of getting out of a hostile situation.
-Whihc is more than one could have said about the Zimmerman case.

Also pretty good shooting from someone who'd been pepper-spayed less than 15 minutes prior. (managing to shoot-to-wound in a gunman's arm at close range with a scope mounted three inches off-bore from the barrel is actually quite a bit harder than it sounds... in short, Gage isn't alive because he was a bad shot, he's alive because Kyle was an excellent shot and exercising supreme levels of restraint.)

"A ship in the harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are for." Wisconsin State Supreme Court Justice David Prosser, 2016.
[From a speech including a quote from John A. Shedd, 1928; itself paraphrasing a quote from Theodore Roosevelt]

I find it highly unlikely that Rittenhouse intended to hit the arm in the moment.

[Kernen]

To the right-conservatives, both are enemies and we’d be idiots to think it can ever be otherwise. The conservatives probably sees little need to differentiate between their enemies - they need only know that both are opposed to them and that is insight enough.

Just because we happen to agree with their perspective on one particular issue - the merits of the State restricting the brandishing of firearms in a citizen’s private residence, in this particular case - it doesn’t fundamentally put us on their side of the debate and it never will.

As for the whole “17-year-old kid” issue, I think the law should be modified such that future Kyles do get convicted for murder. Self-defence shouldn’t apply if you deliberately go looking for trouble.

A.) He didn't go looking for trouble. He went to give medical assistance to anyone who needed it.

B.) The right of self defense must be absolute.

One does not generally require a weapon to provide medical assistance. The right to self defense cannot be absolute. The entire concept of self defense is that it applies in a specific circumstance. Even if you want to limit the absolute right to defend oneself to anybody who alleges subjective need to defend oneself, you open it to abuse.

[The Two Jerseys]

A.) He didn't go looking for trouble. He went to give medical assistance to anyone who needed it.

B.) The right of self defense must be absolute.

One does not generally require a weapon to provide medical assistance. The right to self defense cannot be absolute. The entire concept of self defense is that it applies in a specific circumstance. Even if you want to limit the absolute right to defend oneself to anybody who alleges subjective need to defend oneself, you open it to abuse.

Providing medical assistance does not disqualify one from carrying a weapon for self defense.

[American Pere Housh]

Gun Control laws doesn't work what so ever

[Pax Nerdvana]

Honestly people who think Kyle Rittenhouse is guilty of murder deserve to get stomped on by the same boot they support and when it happens it's fun to just point and laugh at them whine about ''muh rights''.

By their logic, the guy with the Glock if guilty of treason for participating in an armed insurrection...

You two have summed it up quite nicely.

Gun Control laws doesn't work what so ever

Welcome to the Gun Control thread, which is actually extremely pro gun, despite the thread name.

[The Chuck]

By their logic, the guy with the Glock if guilty of treason for participating in an armed insurrection...

You two have summed it up quite nicely.

Gun Control laws doesn't work what so ever

Welcome to the Gun Control thread, which is actually extremely pro gun, despite the thread name.

One of these days I'm going to rename this thread to simply "Using both hands - Gun Control 2020"

[Pax Nerdvana]

You two have summed it up quite nicely.
Welcome to the Gun Control thread, which is actually extremely pro gun, despite the thread name.

One of these days I'm going to rename this thread to simply "Using both hands - Gun Control 2020"

I like the sound of that.

[Grinning Dragon]

Gun Control laws doesn't work what so ever

Oh, it works alright. With roots in racism, gun control affect minorities. Structured in a way that increases cost affecting the poor and puts their ability to exercise a negative enumerated right out of reach. Carve outs in gun control laws that benefit the elite/police/former law enforcement, but not for current military and veterans. Hoops, red tape and fees that must be navigated in order to carry just for the limited ability to protect oneself, waiting periods in some states that place victims of abuse at greater risk. So yeah, it works as designed, designed as a control on people.
Gun control gets people killed.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Gun Control laws doesn't work what so ever

Sure they do! They keep people docile and under the control of the wealthy.

[Novus America]

Gun Control laws doesn't work what so ever

Oh, it works alright. With roots in racism, gun control affect minorities. Structured in a way that increases cost affecting the poor and puts their ability to exercise a negative enumerated right out of reach. Carve outs in gun control laws that benefit the elite/police/former law enforcement, but not for current military and veterans. Hoops, red tape and fees that must be navigated in order to carry just for the limited ability to protect oneself, waiting periods in some states that place victims of abuse at greater risk. So yeah, it works as designed, designed as a control on people.
Gun control gets people killed.

Yes. It works just fine as an elitists measure to keep the peasants from revolting against the neo-nobility.
It does not work if so well if you have good intentions, BUT it would be a mistake to believe the many politicians pushing it have anything but the worst intentions.

[Washington Resistance Army]

A Federal Judge denied California's motion to dismiss an ongoing case against the Assault Weapons Ban.

If the Supreme Court seat pans out there's a lot of reason for hope here.

[Novus America]

A Federal Judge denied California's motion to dismiss an ongoing case against the Assault Weapons Ban.

If the Supreme Court seat pans out there's a lot of reason for hope here.

Hopefully this does go to the Supreme county, and the constitutional rights win.
This could be the death of assault weapons bans.

Although my only worry is the state may try to work around the fact @assault weapon” is an arbitrary, unclear and stupid concept, by banning all semi automatics.

A semiautomatic is easy to define, a semiautomatic ban would escape the lack of clarity argument.

[Grinning Dragon]

A Federal Judge denied California's motion to dismiss an ongoing case against the Assault Weapons Ban.

If the Supreme Court seat pans out there's a lot of reason for hope here.

In other news the derp continues.
A BB gun was seen in a Harvey fourth grader's bedroom during virtual class. Now, he's suspended.