Gun Control 2022 (IV) - Gun Rights, Control, & Government

[Novus America]

Humor is illegal, so are knives, guns, and porn. What a terrible place

A safer place.

We went over this before, given gun violence in the US is absurdly concentrated amongst certain demographics in certain places, and rare elsewhere (some states with very few regulations have few murders and some with the highest murders have the most regulations, the problem is socioeconomic, not gun regulation based. And could and should be adddressed by fixing the socioeconomic problems, not banning guns.

Anyways to the last part:
“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”
Patrick Henry

Solitary confinement in a prison is safe, but still fuck that.
Yes with freedom their is danger. But I take freedom over safety (not that I am unsafe, I have never had any problems with guns, because again I am not amongst the certain demographics and do not live in those certain places).
I bet you my local area has a lower murder rate than London. Sure you might say “but you live in a fairly wealthy suburb, not a big diverse city”, no shit.
It is almost like socioeconomic factors are a far better indication of crime than gun control

[Kernen]

Imagine having to license shotguns...

The U.K. is truly a horrifying place.

And how.

[Kowani]

In 2019, there were 38,000 deaths due to gun violence in USA.

In the same year, there were 60 deaths due to gun violence in the UK.

The population of the USA in 2019 was 331.1 millions.

The population of the UK in 2019 was 67.5 millions.

The rate of deaths due to guns per capita in the USA was 12.21

The rate of deaths due to guns per capita in the UK was 0.23

In the UK, fully automatic or burst-fire guns, semi-automatic or pump-action rifles which fire centre-fire ammunition, cartridge ammunition handguns are all illegal. Shotguns are legal though licenced.

I don't like guns and I think this argument is terrible.

[Kernen]

In 2019, there were 38,000 deaths due to gun violence in USA.

In the same year, there were 60 deaths due to gun violence in the UK.

The population of the USA in 2019 was 331.1 millions.

The population of the UK in 2019 was 67.5 millions.

The rate of deaths due to guns per capita in the USA was 12.21

The rate of deaths due to guns per capita in the UK was 0.23

In the UK, fully automatic or burst-fire guns, semi-automatic or pump-action rifles which fire centre-fire ammunition, cartridge ammunition handguns are all illegal. Shotguns are legal though licenced.

I don't like guns and I think this argument is terrible.

If we use the Safety Over Liberty argument, we open the door to some shocking totalitarianism.

[Kowani]

I don't like guns and I think this argument is terrible.

If we use the Safety Over Liberty argument, we open the door to some shocking totalitarianism.

Well, yes.Though safety isn't actually guaranteed under totalitarianism.
I just think it happens to be an argument that is so oversimplistic as to approach outright falsehood.

[The Two Jerseys]

Every once in a while Kowani does have a decent point. No matter how much modern gun culture approves of your rifle Chuck, the FFs would almost certainly not be keen on some person from a land they have literally never heard of having a sweet gat.

Thank you for complimenting my rifle and my sweet traditional Korean hat Telconi... Gat

Oh my God, the Roof Koreans have to put a buckle on it so it looks like a Pilgrim hat and make that part of their official uniform...

[Saiwania]

The disconnect is obvious enough, in the UK firearms ownership is a privilege whilst in the US it is a right. If the British prefer gun control, it isn't up to us to try to change their ways. Either they'll make that work and they'll remain happy with it or 3D printing technology regulation fails to the extent that people are still able to acquire parts for firearms and construct it in their garage and thus render all gun control ineffective or obsolete. It'll be interesting times going forward.

[Novus America]

The disconnect is obvious enough, in the UK firearms ownership is a privilege whilst in the US it is a right. If the British prefer gun control, it isn't up to us to try to change their ways. Either they'll make that work and they'll remain happy with it or 3D printing technology regulation fails to the extent that people are still able to acquire parts for firearms and construct it in their garage and thus render all gun control ineffective or obsolete. It'll be interesting times going forward.

I agree, I am not telling the British to change their laws to match ours. But many British people keep coming here telling us to change our laws to match theirs.

[Kernen]

The disconnect is obvious enough, in the UK firearms ownership is a privilege whilst in the US it is a right. If the British prefer gun control, it isn't up to us to try to change their ways. Either they'll make that work and they'll remain happy with it or 3D printing technology regulation fails to the extent that people are still able to acquire parts for firearms and construct it in their garage and thus render all gun control ineffective or obsolete. It'll be interesting times going forward.

I agree, I am not telling the British to change their laws to match ours. But many British people keep coming here telling us to change our laws to match theirs.

In their defense, I'm sure that Americans do the same to the British.

[Telconi]

I agree, I am not telling the British to change their laws to match ours. But many British people keep coming here telling us to change our laws to match theirs.

In their defense, I'm sure that Americans do the same to the British.

To be fair, they deserve it.

[The Chuck]

Thank you for complimenting my rifle and my sweet traditional Korean hat Telconi... Gat

Oh my God, the Roof Koreans have to put a buckle on it so it looks like a Pilgrim hat and make that part of their official uniform...

Tally 호! (ho)

[Hurtful Thoughts]

A safer place.

We went over this before, given gun violence in the US is absurdly concentrated amongst certain demographics in certain places, and rare elsewhere (some states with very few regulations have few murders and some with the highest murders have the most regulations, the problem is socioeconomic, not gun regulation based. And could and should be adddressed by fixing the socioeconomic problems, not banning guns.

Anyways to the last part:
“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”
Patrick Henry

Solitary confinement in a prison is safe, but still fuck that.
Yes with freedom their is danger. But I take freedom over safety (not that I am unsafe, I have never had any problems with guns, because again I am not amongst the certain demographics and do not live in those certain places).
I bet you my local area has a lower murder rate than London. Sure you might say “but you live in a fairly wealthy suburb, not a big diverse city”, no shit.
It is almost like socioeconomic factors are a far better indication of crime than gun control

Well... there is the unpopular approach of simply purging said sectors with holy-fire.

[Narland]

I agree, I am not telling the British to change their laws to match ours. But many British people keep coming here telling us to change our laws to match theirs.

In their defense, I'm sure that Americans do the same to the British.

My relations in UK expect me (as a 'Murikan")to be a firearm toting loose cannon. They do bring up gun control often. Last time I was over there (in the UK) i switched it up and argued for pitchforks, torches, holocaust cloaks, and doctor's plague masks. But since Covid, I recommend them to everybody.

[Kernen]

In their defense, I'm sure that Americans do the same to the British.

To be fair, they deserve it.

Idk why we care what the British are doing these days. *doesn't sip tea*

[Gig em Aggies]

To be fair, they deserve it.

Idk why we care what the British are doing these days. *doesn't sip tea*

plus the only thing that the British do that we need to care about is what Captain Picard does other then that I'm gonna keep my guns

[Telconi]

To be fair, they deserve it.

Idk why we care what the British are doing these days. *doesn't sip tea*

Empathy for my fellow man.

[Kowani]

To be fair, they deserve it.

Idk why we care what the British are doing these days. *doesn't sip tea*

...Americans drink about 3.8 Billion gallons of tea a year.


Still tons less than the UK though.

[Gig em Aggies]

Idk why we care what the British are doing these days. *doesn't sip tea*

...Americans drink about 3.8 Billion gallons of tea a year.


Still tons less than the UK though.

Too the harbor with you

[State of Turelisa]

Idk why we care what the British are doing these days. *doesn't sip tea*

...Americans drink about 3.8 Billion gallons of tea a year.


Still tons less than the UK though.

And less tea is drunk in UK than in Turkey and Ireland, both of which have higher rates of deaths by firearms per capita than the UK.

[Violent Mike]

Can refuse to have troops quartered in your home, unless you live in a travel trailer.

During peace time, a requirement of war time quartering of troops can be done by means approved by the legislature as a balance between private property rights and the potential wartime need for military quarters.

Okay, nobody cares.

[Major-Tom]

Humor is illegal, so are knives, guns, and porn. What a terrible place

A safer place.

I'd rather be dead in the USA than alive in the UK.

Just kidding, I still love you blokes in the UK.

[State of Turelisa]

A safer place.

I'd rather be dead in the USA than alive in the UK.

Just kidding, I still love you blokes in the UK.

My sentiments are the converse of yours.

[Diopolis]

In 2019, there were 38,000 deaths due to gun violence in USA.

Depending on how you count it, this may or may not be true.
2/3 of US gun deaths(which your statistic seems to be referencing) are suicides. The US's suicide rate is on the low end for a developed country(not lowest of the low, but certainly lower than average). Thus it makes sense to address firearms suicides separately from gun violence(for which the US is a rather extreme outlier).
The same pattern generally holds, by the way. Countries with looser gun regs don't always have high suicide rates, but more of their suicides are committed with firearms- leading to an artificially higher gun death rate.
Firearms murder is the correct statistic to use. Actually general murder rate is one of several sets of statistics to use, in conjunction with firearms murder and other crime statistics. But anyways.

In the same year, there were 60 deaths due to gun violence in the UK.

The population of the USA in 2019 was 331.1 millions.

The population of the UK in 2019 was 67.5 millions.

The rate of deaths due to guns per capita in the USA was 12.21

The rate of deaths due to guns per capita in the UK was 0.23

In the UK, fully automatic or burst-fire guns, semi-automatic or pump-action rifles which fire centre-fire ammunition, cartridge ammunition handguns are all illegal. Shotguns are legal though licenced.

I hate to be the correlation is not causation guy- because it often implies correlation- but you really do need to tell the whole story for that.

[Telconi]

I'd rather be dead in the USA than alive in the UK.

Just kidding, I still love you blokes in the UK.

My sentiments are the converse of yours.

I mean, if you want to live in the UK, that's fine. Just don't put that on innocent people.

[The Two Jerseys]

My sentiments are the converse of yours.

I mean, if you want to live in the UK, that's fine. Just don't put that on innocent people.

Doesn't putting that on innocent people require a loicense?