Gun Control 2022 (IV) - Gun Rights, Control, & Government

[Telconi]

Warm guns and a hot girl.

Or a hot guy, if you're of that persuasion. We're not judging.

Everyone's got their own form of happiness, if it's hot guys, then you do you.

[Nazeroth]

Or a hot guy, if you're of that persuasion. We're not judging.

Everyone's got their own form of happiness, if it's hot guys, then you do you.

hot twinks and AR-15's

[Major-Tom]

Everyone's got their own form of happiness, if it's hot guys, then you do you.

hot twinks and AR-15's

Could be the name of a fun dude ranch.

[Nazeroth]

hot twinks and AR-15's

Could be the name of a fun dude ranch.

Nice

[Pax Nerdvana]

That's great! Happiness is a warm gun.

Warm guns and a hot girl.

Even better. Throw in some food, and you've got one hot date.

[Gig em Aggies]

Warm guns and a hot girl.

Even better. Throw in some food, and you've got one hot date.

have that date in Texas while eating Tex-Mex and you got an even hotter date.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Even better. Throw in some food, and you've got one hot date.

have that date in Texas while eating Tex-Mex and you got an even hotter date.

I'd rather it be someplace cold enough to give you an excuse to cuddle a warm gun.

[Diopolis]

have that date in Texas while eating Tex-Mex and you got an even hotter date.

I'd rather it be someplace cold enough to give you an excuse to cuddle a warm gun.

Texas loves us some AC. Just have it indoors.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

With how bad America is becoming as the election approaches, I'm gonna need to buy as many weapons as I can possibly get.

[Gig em Aggies]

With how bad America is becoming as the election approaches, I'm gonna need to buy as many weapons as I can possibly get.

You know I'm pretty sure Mexico is safer then some places in the US right now. Plus I wouldn't mind visiting again after 11 years when I went there for a cruise.

[Pax Nerdvana]

have that date in Texas while eating Tex-Mex and you got an even hotter date.

I'd rather it be someplace cold enough to give you an excuse to cuddle a warm gun.

Same. I like cold weather. It makes me feel alive.

With how bad America is becoming as the election approaches, I'm gonna need to buy as many weapons as I can possibly get.

If you need advice on what gun to buy, the best place to go is the Gun Talk thread.
Here's the link:
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=444429

[Saiwania]

With how bad America is becoming as the election approaches, I'm gonna need to buy as many weapons as I can possibly get.

You're risking losing a lot of money if Joe Biden wins and something like a mandatory buyback gets through into law. There is too much uncertainty now about what gun control is around the corner and what won't happen. Gun rights being upheld is sort of contingent on the GOP keeping the House or Senate or both, even if Trump were to lose.

[Grinning Dragon]

With how bad America is becoming as the election approaches, I'm gonna need to buy as many weapons as I can possibly get.

You're risking losing a lot of money if Joe Biden wins and something like a mandatory buyback gets through into law. There is too much uncertainty now about what gun control is around the corner and what won't happen. Gun rights being upheld is sort of contingent on the GOP keeping the House or Senate or both, even if Trump were to lose.

You misspelled confiscation.
I also don't see how that would pass the constitutional muster. Then again, If that were to come to pass, I tragically lost my firearms in a boating accident.

[Saiwania]

Then again, If that were to come to pass, I tragically lost my firearms in a boating accident.

You don't have a whole lot of choice if the state somehow traces something back to you, if the alternative is imprisonment for decades or whatever else it is. Most mafia types for example, couldn't keep to a code of silence because the leverage the state had was too great and the prospect of being imprisoned for so long too painful. Criminals cared more about their freedom than in maintaining loyalty. Especially given most are disposible goons anyways, only valued for how much money they can bring in to their boss.

I actually have a real opportunity to ensure a certain firearm goes "missing" indefinitely should it become illegal, because it isn't actually under my name strictly speaking. But the risk is that the other person who's name it is under would get in trouble instead. I can't do it for that reason. The state could go after them even if they don't deserve it. Can't risk that.

[Grinning Dragon]

Then again, If that were to come to pass, I tragically lost my firearms in a boating accident.

You don't have a whole lot of choice if the state somehow traces something back to you, if the alternative is imprisonment for decades or whatever else it is. Most mafia types for example, couldn't keep to a code of silence because the leverage the state had was too great and the prospect of being imprisoned for so long too painful. Criminals cared more about their freedom than in maintaining loyalty. Especially given most are disposable goons anyways, only valued for how much money they can bring in to their boss.

I actually have a real opportunity to ensure a certain firearm goes "missing" indefinitely should it become illegal, because it isn't actually under my name strictly speaking. But the risk is that the other person who's name it is under would get in trouble instead. I can't do it for that reason. The state could go after them even if they don't deserve it. Can't risk that.

How can they trace something since there is NO record?

[Saiwania]

How can they trace something since there is NO record?

It can be done who knows how many different ways. Chances are, the gun store has a record of the rifle someone purchased from however many years ago as one example. If the state gets ahold of that, they know enough to not leave that person alone until the item materializes and is brought to them if they want to confiscate it or demand modifications or whatever else (such as an additional tax stamp) to satisfy their demands in accordance to whatever the state of gun law becomes.

[Grinning Dragon]

How can they trace something since there is NO record?

It can be done who knows how many different ways. Chances are, the gun store has a record of the rifle someone purchased from however many years ago as one example. If the state gets ahold of that, they know enough to not leave that person alone until the item materializes and is brought to them if they want to confiscate it or demand modifications or whatever else (such as an additional tax stamp) to satisfy their demands in accordance to whatever the state of gun law becomes.

The FFL bound book do record the original purchaser, but that is far as that goes. Since it's perfectly legal to sell a firearm via private sale or a broken firearm gets cut up and disposed of with no record by a private citizen or turned in at those stupid gun buy back programs for $$$, since 90% of the firearms turned in are junk and non-functional.

Going by private sale, say a firearm has been sold over and over via private sale for years that trail is dead after the first encounter with the original purchaser since the original owner isn't going to remember who bought it. Then there are the firearms that have been homebuilt over the years. Homebuilt firearms will have zero record.

Then you have the issue of man-power to employ to confiscate firearms, how many people are going to sign up for a job that may get them killed? We literally started a war over soldiers confiscating poweder/muskets and ball.

[Saiwania]

"If the weapons have left, then we must draw them back. And if the weaponry is here, then we must draw them out." Chances are that the government will squeeze the citizenry until nearly everyone reveals the whereabouts of whatever it is they want to seize.

[Grinning Dragon]

"If the weapons have left, then we must draw them back. And if the weaponry is here, then we must draw them out." Chances are that the government will squeeze the citizenry until nearly everyone reveals the whereabouts of whatever it is they want to seize.

Snitches get stitches.

[Telconi]

"If the weapons have left, then we must draw them back. And if the weaponry is here, then we must draw them out." Chances are that the government will squeeze the citizenry until nearly everyone reveals the whereabouts of whatever it is they want to seize.

I doubt they're going to be able to rustle up enough goons to make that happen, even if it were a plausible course of action. Remember, the same party that wants to take guns also wants to defund law enforcement agencies.

[Grinning Dragon]

"If the weapons have left, then we must draw them back. And if the weaponry is here, then we must draw them out." Chances are that the government will squeeze the citizenry until nearly everyone reveals the whereabouts of whatever it is they want to seize.

I doubt they're going to be able to rustle up enough goons to make that happen, even if it were a plausible course of action. Remember, the same party that wants to take guns also wants to defund law enforcement agencies.

I would also suspect the remaining few either at the federal and state level would refuse said confiscation order, citing safety reasons.
That would leave the only option to bring in feckless un troops or perhaps private military type groups.

[Pax Nerdvana]

It can be done who knows how many different ways. Chances are, the gun store has a record of the rifle someone purchased from however many years ago as one example. If the state gets ahold of that, they know enough to not leave that person alone until the item materializes and is brought to them if they want to confiscate it or demand modifications or whatever else (such as an additional tax stamp) to satisfy their demands in accordance to whatever the state of gun law becomes.

The FFL bound book do record the original purchaser, but that is far as that goes. Since it's perfectly legal to sell a firearm via private sale or a broken firearm gets cut up and disposed of with no record by a private citizen or turned in at those stupid gun buy back programs for $$$, since 90% of the firearms turned in are junk and non-functional.

Going by private sale, say a firearm has been sold over and over via private sale for years that trail is dead after the first encounter with the original purchaser since the original owner isn't going to remember who bought it. Then there are the firearms that have been homebuilt over the years. Homebuilt firearms will have zero record.

Then you have the issue of man-power to employ to confiscate firearms, how many people are going to sign up for a job that may get them killed? We literally started a war over soldiers confiscating poweder/muskets and ball.

There are also heirloom guns to consider as well. If it's old enough, the records of purchase probably no longer exist, if they ever existed in the first place.
Here in the US, a nationwide gun confiscation is nearly impossible (thank goodness). I'd reckon there are 500-600 million privately owned guns in the US, of all types. Most of these guns aren't registered anywhere, and purchase records may not exist. In short, it would be just about impossible to figure out who owns what guns.

[Grinning Dragon]

The FFL bound book do record the original purchaser, but that is far as that goes. Since it's perfectly legal to sell a firearm via private sale or a broken firearm gets cut up and disposed of with no record by a private citizen or turned in at those stupid gun buy back programs for $$$, since 90% of the firearms turned in are junk and non-functional.

Going by private sale, say a firearm has been sold over and over via private sale for years that trail is dead after the first encounter with the original purchaser since the original owner isn't going to remember who bought it. Then there are the firearms that have been homebuilt over the years. Homebuilt firearms will have zero record.

Then you have the issue of man-power to employ to confiscate firearms, how many people are going to sign up for a job that may get them killed? We literally started a war over soldiers confiscating powder/muskets and ball.

There are also heirloom guns to consider as well. If it's old enough, the records of purchase probably no longer exist, if they ever existed in the first place.
Here in the US, a nationwide gun confiscation is nearly impossible (thank goodness). I'd reckon there are 500-600 million privately owned guns in the US, of all types. Most of these guns aren't registered anywhere, and purchase records may not exist. In short, it would be just about impossible to figure out who owns what guns.

This is also a good point, since record keeping started around what, the 1960s ?
The next issue is, then they would have to ban, end mills, lathes, CNC, drill presses, hardware stores, etc. While I haven't touched a mill/lathe/CNC in years, the training and education is still with me and it isn't hard to teach someone to use one.
Then there is the over all size of the United States, such a feat to confiscate would be next to impossible.

[Pax Nerdvana]

There are also heirloom guns to consider as well. If it's old enough, the records of purchase probably no longer exist, if they ever existed in the first place.
Here in the US, a nationwide gun confiscation is nearly impossible (thank goodness). I'd reckon there are 500-600 million privately owned guns in the US, of all types. Most of these guns aren't registered anywhere, and purchase records may not exist. In short, it would be just about impossible to figure out who owns what guns.

This is also a good point, since record keeping started around what, the 1960s ?
The next issue is, then they would have to ban, end mills, lathes, CNC, drill presses, hardware stores, etc. While I haven't touched a mill/lathe/CNC in years, the training and education is still with me and it isn't hard to teach someone to use one.

Yeah, I think record keeping started in the late '60s ('68?). That's a good point about tools. While I don't have the space for anything like a drillpress (unfortunately), I think I could build a simple zip gun with nothing more then common hand tools.
Lathes are a lot of fun. I wish I had one.

[Grinning Dragon]

This is also a good point, since record keeping started around what, the 1960s ?
The next issue is, then they would have to ban, end mills, lathes, CNC, drill presses, hardware stores, etc. While I haven't touched a mill/lathe/CNC in years, the training and education is still with me and it isn't hard to teach someone to use one.

Yeah, I think record keeping started in the late '60s ('68?). That's a good point about tools. While I don't have the space for anything like a drill press (unfortunately), I think I could build a simple zip gun with nothing more then common hand tools.
Lathes are a lot of fun. I wish I had one.

There's that in regards to zip guns, also slam fire type guns.
Oh, also better ban chemistry. I mean basic black powder consists of Salt Peter, Charcoal, Sulfur, one can also use sugar and or honey in recipes.