Gun Control 2022 (IV) - Gun Rights, Control, & Government

[Kernen]

So wait, someone was deemed a mental danger and they took the guns out of the household.
Seems ok.
Did they refund the lady ?

Nope, no refund, no nothing. The person with mental issues was removed from the environment and the lady (not with mental issues) didn't get her rightful property restored to her.

She is entitled to the fair market value of the taking if the deprivation is permanent.

[Kernen]

There's no reason to keep a recreational gun on the range, either.

Why.
It’s too dangerous to keep in the mix.

Almost all recreational guns at home hurt nobody.

You're theory of deterrence is flat wrong, by the way. Deterrence only works if you can back it up with a credible threat. If your weapon is inadequate to back up the threat you make, it is not an effective deterrent. Not all handguns in the hands of all shooters is an adequate weapon.

[Kernen]

Well let's see, there are 1.2 guns per person in America, and 12 gun deaths per 100,000

So 9,999 out of 10,000 guns are apparently defective.

Do I need to pull up the stats of gun deaths in other countries again ?

We're familiar. But the odds of any given US gun being used in a crime in the US is absolutely minuscule. There are enough AR-15s to give every person in the US one, and yet less than one percent of one percent of them are involved in crime.

But tell me how evil they are some more.

The world can be such a great place where everyone is happy.

Say your opinion and don’t suppress others.

The happiness of others is overrated.

You understand that already exists right ?
And we still have needles death from guns on a large scale.

Laws against murder are not designed to ensure there are no murders. Prevention and enforcement are two separate concepts that you have put together erroneously.

So you want guns around kids ?

Isint that asking for trouble ?

The school security officer already has a pistol or taser I think.

I had a pistol in my room as a kid from age 8 until I wasn't a kid. The most that thing did to me was bruise my toe when I dropped it once. So dangerous.

So then why the need for all the big guns.

Shotshell has an effective range of about six feet. Pretending that a handgun will do what a shotgun can do is asinine.

But in general.
If someone is flagged for mental issues.
Plz plz plz keep guns away from them.
For their safety and others.

Taking away somebody's rights, to own guns or to be free of an institution, because you want to help them is paternalistic and offensive to the victim of your actions. It is not compassionate care.

People like me.
Now I am the enemy.
For voicing opinion ...

People like you are enemies because you seek to take away our rights. If you want us to join your happy world where everybody likes each other and smiles, you'd have to start by not stripping down our rights.

[Dylar]

Here's a meme related to the discussion a while back

(Image)

THATS NOT AN AK.

Actually it is. If you take a closer look at the barrel, you will notice the distinctive gas block that an AK has. Just because it doesn't have wooden AK furniture doesn't mean it's not an AK.

[The Two Jerseys]

Great!

So guns not any more useful in deference than the basics (cheap basics I might add) can be classified as sport guns.

Because what I’m trying to do.

Is separate guns in to useful adpnd not useful.
Not useful are only for sport.

While useful could be hunting.
And self defense.

So if automatic weapons are useful, why can't we have them?

[Loben The 2nd]

Here's a meme related to the discussion a while back

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THATS NOT AN AK.

It is.

[Grinning Dragon]

What does TJR mean by "big guns"? Like howitzers or any other crew served weapons?

[Grinning Dragon]

LOL the booblehead lawcenter? I wouldn't trust any information posted on that site as it isn't a valid source.
Just like the study on SYG law I posted earlier that got canned, booblehead group loves to pad their numbers and or ignore data and skew the facts to fit their agenda.
Not all homicides are bad, of the 11K+ (omitting suicide with the aid of a firearm as that stat doesn't belong and should be its own category) homicides with the aid of a firearm; some of them if not most are going to fall under justifiable homicides.

If you only agree with studies you like.
Then you will only hear what you want too, and not necessarily the truth.

I tend to agree with studies that DO NOT omit data or keep their data sources secret or skew data to fit their narrative as the likes of bobble head law center does, as does everymoron, karens demand and brady clown.

[Grinning Dragon]

Why is chris murphy such a worthless waste of skin?
S.Res.110 - A resolution keeping guns out of classrooms.
I realize it's just a resolution, but seriously? I've already contacted my Senators to basically tell the murph to go fuck himself and his stupid resolution with a running chainsaw and vote down this trash.

So you want guns around kids ?

Isn't that asking for trouble ?

The school security officer already has a pistol or taser I think.

Yes I want kids around firearms and firearms around kids, believe it or not, kids and firearms do mix and mix well when educated on their function and usage. Education is the key. Keeping them in the dark and ignorant isn't the safest path forward.
I find it curious at those who have a fit over a trained individual such as a teacher being armed in the classroom around children and yet never say much about those kids who go to a home where there are firearms.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Why is chris murphy such a worthless waste of skin?
S.Res.110 - A resolution keeping guns out of classrooms.
I realize it's just a resolution, but seriously? I've already contacted my Senators to basically tell the murph to go fuck himself and his stupid resolution with a running chainsaw and vote down this trash.

So you want guns around kids ?

Isint that asking for trouble ?

The school security officer already has a pistol or taser I think.

No more than having kids in a schoolbus

[Grinning Dragon]

Daily reminder of the importance of being tooled up.
11 Cases Where Gun Ownership Proved ‘Essential’

March 1, Makakilo, Hawaii: Local police said a man broke into a residence only to be confronted by the armed homeowner, who held the intruder at gunpoint until police arrived nearly 30 minutes later.

March 1, Leesburg, Florida: A concealed carry permit holder used his firearm to stop a man who was violently assaulting other customers at a convenience store. The permit holder held the attacker at gunpoint until law enforcement arrived to arrest him. The attacker was charged with several serious offenses, including aggravated battery causing bodily and violation of probation, in relation to a previous battery conviction.

March 4, Jacksonville, Florida: When a man heard a neighbor screaming for help, he grabbed his firearm and ran to her aid. Once outside, he realized the neighbor’s house was ablaze, and used his voice to help get the neighbor out of her house. It quickly became apparent that the neighbor’s adult son intentionally had set the house on fire. The good Samaritan used his firearm to detain the son at the scene until police could take him into custody.

March 8, Brea, California: A homeowner shot and wounded an intruder during an attempted break-in, police said.

March 12, Troy, Alabama: A burglar was shot and wounded by a homeowner. Although the burglar initially fled, he was quickly arrested; the stolen items were returned to the homeowner. The burglar, taken to a hospital for treatment, was charged with felony burglary.

March 14, Harris County, Texas: A 53-year-old disabled woman was alone in her apartment when two teens broke a window and reached inside to unlock the door, police said. At least one was armed with a handgun. The woman fired one round at the intruders, striking and killing the armed teen. The other teen fled, but later was arrested along with a third suspect accused of acting as a getaway driver. Police said they linked the getaway vehicle to other crimes in the area.

March 18, Charlotte, North Carolina: Five men attempted to rob a woman as she sat in her car getting cash from an ATM. The woman shot one of the men, wounding him and sending the others fleeing. Police arrested the wounded man after he called 911 for assistance.

March 24, Indianapolis, Indiana: Two residents awoke at 3 a.m. to the sounds of someone trying to break in through a rear entrance. One resident was armed and opened fire on the intruder, killing him.

March 27, Tulsa, Oklahoma: A concealed carry permit holder stopped an attempted mass shooting in a Walmart parking lot. A woman who had left the store after an altercation with other shoppers returned about three minutes later, pulled a gun, and opened fire indiscriminately, police said. The permit holder drew his firearm and fatally shot the woman before she could harm anyone. Unbelievably, several media outlets continued to refer to the would-be mass shooter as the “victim” and to the hero as the “suspect” long after law enforcement clarified what had occurred.

March 28, Columbus, Ohio: A woman whose home had been burglarized earlier in the day was forced to rely on her Second Amendment rights when the burglars returned later that night. Two men broke in and entered her kitchen, at which point the woman fired several shots, striking one and causing both to flee, police said.

March 31, Deltona, Florida: A mother of three called 911 to report that a man was breaking into her house, telling the dispatcher, “I don’t want to shoot him, but I’m going to have to!” The woman could be heard yelling, “Get out of my window! Get out of my window!” after the man shattered a front window and began climbing into the house. Police said the woman fired one round, wounding him, then ran into the backyard with her children. Police found the wounded burglar inside the house when they arrived; they charged him with four counts of burglary of an occupied dwelling.

[The Emerald Legion]

Why is chris murphy such a worthless waste of skin?
S.Res.110 - A resolution keeping guns out of classrooms.
I realize it's just a resolution, but seriously? I've already contacted my Senators to basically tell the murph to go fuck himself and his stupid resolution with a running chainsaw and vote down this trash.

So you want guns around kids ?

Isint that asking for trouble ?

The school security officer already has a pistol or taser I think.

Pistol. Also police officers are constantly in and out of schools, and kids have access to guns at home.

[The Two Jerseys]

THATS NOT AN AK.

It is.

You forget, these are the people who think that a plastic stock gives the Mini-14 +50 lethality...

[Germanic Templars]

It is.

You forget, these are the people who think that a plastic stock gives the Mini-14 +50 lethality...

If you paint a gun camo colors it increases its concealability by a factor of 10 fold.

[The Chuck]

It is.

You forget, these are the people who think that a plastic stock gives the Mini-14 +50 lethality...

Step right up! What's the more dangerous rifle in this image?

[Giovenith]

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Jelle, please try your best to confine replies to multiple people to a singular post. It's not the end of the world if you make the occasional multi-post, but doing it excessively is spam.

If you're not sure how:

1) "Quote" a post like normal.
2) Once in "Post a Reply," scroll down the "Topic Review" below.
3) Click where in your post you'd like to add the next quote.
4) Click the "Quote" button to the other post you want to reply to in the "Topic Review." This will automatically copy that quote into your post.

Hope this helps.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Why is chris murphy such a worthless waste of skin?
S.Res.110 - A resolution keeping guns out of classrooms.
I realize it's just a resolution, but seriously? I've already contacted my Senators to basically tell the murph to go fuck himself and his stupid resolution with a running chainsaw and vote down this trash.

So you want guns around kids ?

Isint that asking for trouble ?

The school security officer already has a pistol or taser I think.

Surprisingly it isn't any more dangerous than trusting them to carry knives, house-keys, pens, and pencil on their person at pretty much all times.

If they're smart enough to know that getting them and their friends killed is a bad idea, and they know how not to self-terminate, then 90% of the time they will not self-terminate the moment your back is turned.

They also probably know that if they kill that person they don't like, the law would crack down on them, hard. Whether or not it can be justified in law also won't necessarily mean you'll get the chance to plead your case.

I suppose this also applies to teachers.

So you want guns around kids ?

Isn't that asking for trouble ?

The school security officer already has a pistol or taser I think.

Yes I want kids around firearms and firearms around kids, believe it or not, kids and firearms do mix and mix well when educated on their function and usage. Education is the key. Keeping them in the dark and ignorant isn't the safest path forward.
I find it curious at those who have a fit over a trained individual such as a teacher being armed in the classroom around children and yet never say much about those kids who go to a home where there are firearms.

Maybe he didn't know that was a thing? [Assuming gender]

Fun story of what happened when I thought bringing a belt of .308 to 1st grade show and tell was a splendid idea.
-Long story short, strip-search for a micro-compact belt-fed .30 cal M60 or M1919 the size of a 1st grader's fist , to the point that even the first graders were wondering what they were expecting to find in a child's coat-pockets.

[Grinning Dragon]

So you want guns around kids ?

Isint that asking for trouble ?

The school security officer already has a pistol or taser I think.

Surprisingly it isn't any more dangerous than trusting them to carry knives, house-keys, pens, and pencil on their person at pretty much all times.

If they're smart enough to know that getting them and their friends killed is a bad idea, and they know how not to self-terminate, then 90% of the time they will not self-terminate the moment your back is turned.

They also probably know that if they kill that person they don't like, the law would crack down on them, hard. Whether or not it can be justified in law also won't necessarily mean you'll get the chance to plead your case.

I suppose this also applies to teachers.

Yes I want kids around firearms and firearms around kids, believe it or not, kids and firearms do mix and mix well when educated on their function and usage. Education is the key. Keeping them in the dark and ignorant isn't the safest path forward.
I find it curious at those who have a fit over a trained individual such as a teacher being armed in the classroom around children and yet never say much about those kids who go to a home where there are firearms.

Maybe he didn't know that was a thing? [Assuming gender]

Fun story of what happened when I thought bringing a belt of .308 to 1st grade show and tell was a splendid idea.
-Long story short, strip-search for a micro-compact belt-fed .30 cal M60 or M1919 the size of a 1st grader's fist , to the point that even the first graders were wondering what they were expecting to find in a child's coat-pockets.

When I was a kid no one gave it second look if someone brought that in or an inert hand grenade, or pistol, rifle, etc. No lock down, no wringing of hands. Just a, well that is certainly interesting.

[The Lone Alliance]

https://www.redstate.com/kiradavis/2020/04/10/815520/
I'm finding these articles about how this virus and instability has led to a rush of Anti-gunners trying to buy guns for the first time and finding out that despite the propaganda they've been told you can't just walk up and buy a gun off the wall and walk out.

I've especially been amused at the stories of anti-gunners in California hating their own ammo law that they cheerfully endorsed until it came time for them to actually buy ammo themselves.

Really it's just more proof that unless you understand gun laws you should just shut the fuck up.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Further, how crazy is it to say that any gun would be an effective deterrent when police have been upgrading their equipment routinely for decades?

By this logic, the ol' .38 six-shooter should be just as good as the semi-auto handguns and semi-auto rifles they now carry.

Again.
I’m sure anything on the AR platform is more effecting than a 9mm
But in deference, any gun deters.

The AR15 can be configured to shoot .22lr, which won't have the mass OR energy than a 9x19mm round.

[Gun Manufacturers]

I guess I've been using my firearms wrong all this time, then.

Talking about what they are made.
Besides target shooting (sounds like fun).
And hunting ( )

The bu ting is still killing.
And you could airsoft or paint for the target.
There’s no reason to keep a recreational gun off the range.

Airsoft and paintballs don't have the accuracy or range of a firearm.

There absolutely is a reason to keep a recreational firearm off the range. A stock firearm isn't going to be configured for my size (6'3" and longer than normal arms for my height) or personal preferences. Also, while I only plan to use my firearms for target shooting, I WOULD use them in self/home defense if I HAD to.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Yes, a rural carrier. And my biggest worry at the present time is unleashed dogs, deer, and turkeys. Of course, if I hit a turkey with the LLV, it's going into the back, and once I get back to the office, into the back of my pickup.

Dwight, .. is that you ?

Although I do wear glasses, I don't own a beet farm, I don't own a mustard shirt, and I don't have a cousin names Moes.

[Gun Manufacturers]

If that's what you have on hand at the moment, sure. Also, they do make handgun shotshells if snakes are a MAJOR concern.

So then why the need for all the big guns.

Because not all game in the US can be taken down by a pistol or shotgun, nor can all targets can be hit by them, either.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Bumpstocks are a spook. They don't simulate actual automatic fire, are rough on your gun, and don't lend well to good shooting.

They use the recoil to fire again.
The atf classified it as automatic.

The ATF is full of liars.

[Grinning Dragon]

https://www.redstate.com/kiradavis/2020/04/10/815520/
I'm finding these articles about how this virus and instability has led to a rush of Anti-gunners trying to buy guns for the first time and finding out that despite the propaganda they've been told you can't just walk up and buy a gun off the wall and walk out.

I've especially been amused at the stories of anti-gunners in California hating their own ammo law that they cheerfully endorsed until it came time for them to actually buy ammo themselves.

Really it's just more proof that unless you understand gun laws you should just shut the fuck up.

I've heard similar stories from family and friends in other parts of the country as well as posts from firearm stores. The road to hell is paved with good intentions and now those who believed the media and the anti gun pols just how easy and dangerous it was in obtaining a firearm are finding out first hand the fruits of their complacent labor has wrought in shackling an enumerated negative right to arms. The whole point of a negative right is the unrestricted exercise thereof.