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Your thoughts on pistol braces? (See top of OP for information)

Ban modern sporting rifles
114
15%
Pistol braces should be outlawed and current restrictions on SBRs remain in place
86
11%
Pistol braces should be outlawed but current restrictions on SBRs should be removed
30
4%
Pistol braces should be allowed and current restrictions on SBRs should remain
102
13%
Pistol braces should be allowed but current restrictions on SBRs should be removed
454
58%
 
Total votes : 786

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:10 pm

Aclion wrote:
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Already saw and replied. If anyone has a suggestion for new material for the gun control thread, just shoot it my way in a DM and I'll give it a once over.

Lmao at the idea of gun control advocates needing progun people to come up with new material for them. :x

They're usually so good at inventing things I'd have thought they'd have the imagination.
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Postby The Chuck » Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:10 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Aclion wrote:Lmao at the idea of gun control advocates needing progun people to come up with new material for them. :x


According to Fris I can DM The Chuck and he has to change to poll. Or so I read his response in Moderation.


Indeed, and I'm waiting for you to DM me bud. Attempt #6.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:11 pm

The Chuck wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
According to Fris I can DM The Chuck and he has to change to poll. Or so I read his response in Moderation.


Indeed, and I'm waiting for you to DM me bud. Attempt #6.


Did you not read what I wrote in the Moderation thread?

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Postby The Chuck » Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:13 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
Indeed, and I'm waiting for you to DM me bud. Attempt #6.


Did you not read what I wrote in the Moderation thread?


Respectfully, I did Fartsniffage. Unfortunately I've already gotten a request to change the poll so I am doing that right now.
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Postby Diopolis » Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:13 pm

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Control of the poll buddy. All I'm asking for is that it's split equally between they two sides of this very contentious debate.

A debate?! Even a middle-school debate club would be insulted by the comparison.

One side of the "debate" believes in things like "fully-semi-automatic guns", "assault weapons", "massacre machine gun magazines", and "30 caliber clips" that let you "dispense 30 bullets within half a second", one side wants to ban things like "magazines that can hold multiple bullets".

Gun control is a "debate" like Mike Tyson vs Honey Boo Boo is the boxing match of the century!

I’ve occasionally run into gun control proponents I respect. It is not common.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:15 pm

Poll does not have The Hoff as an option, it is hereby invalid.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:15 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Crockerland wrote:A debate?! Even a middle-school debate club would be insulted by the comparison.

One side of the "debate" believes in things like "fully-semi-automatic guns", "assault weapons", "massacre machine gun magazines", and "30 caliber clips" that let you "dispense 30 bullets within half a second", one side wants to ban things like "magazines that can hold multiple bullets".

Gun control is a "debate" like Mike Tyson vs Honey Boo Boo is the boxing match of the century!

I’ve occasionally run into gun control proponents I respect. It is not common.

It's shockingly hard to respect the debate position of somebody who clearly hasn't done their homework, and it's hard to argue for gun control if you have done your homework.
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Postby Diopolis » Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:17 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Diopolis wrote:I’ve occasionally run into gun control proponents I respect. It is not common.

It's shockingly hard to respect the debate position of somebody who clearly hasn't done their homework, and it's hard to argue for gun control if you have done your homework.

I’ve run into a few who do understand what they’re talking about, but most have wildly ignorant ideas about how guns work and what the existing law is.
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Postby Licana » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:03 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:There is a complaint lodged in Moderation that this OP is against gun control, and that a pro gun control OP should be next.

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:25 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:LOL Palmetto State Armory, trolling again.
Palmetto State Armory Now Offering the New ‘No Beto’ Stripped AR-15 Lower
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Ew, AR-15
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:30 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:LOL Palmetto State Armory, trolling again.
Palmetto State Armory Now Offering the New ‘No Beto’ Stripped AR-15 Lower
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That's freaking genius.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:45 pm

Telconi wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:LOL Palmetto State Armory, trolling again.
Palmetto State Armory Now Offering the New ‘No Beto’ Stripped AR-15 Lower
(Image)


That's freaking genius.

I'll be happier if they make the whole gun like that
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Postby The Chuck » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:54 pm

Hot topic of recent note which led to a little title change, Beto saying he's coming for the ARs and Aks... anyone find it a bit ironic that the person with a burglary charge is also the one wanting to get rid of the means of defending oneself and one's property?
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:55 pm

The Chuck wrote:Hot topic of recent note which led to a little title change, Beto saying he's coming for the ARs and Aks... anyone find it a bit ironic that the person with a burglary charge is also the one wanting to get rid of the means of defending oneself and one's property?

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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:56 pm

The Chuck wrote:Hot topic of recent note which led to a little title change, Beto saying he's coming for the ARs and Aks... anyone find it a bit ironic that the person with a burglary charge is also the one wanting to get rid of the means of defending oneself and one's property?


He's just salty because he's a PP
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Postby US-SSR » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:56 pm

The Constitution gives "the People" "the right to Keep and Bear Arms." It gives the government the authority to regulate that right. Recall from this thread that the Courts have held even undocumented migrants have Second Amendment rights; rights that are properly regulated by Congress.

But why is it when I read the old thread title I think of this...

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We're not going to control the pandemic!

It is a slaughter and not just a political dispute.

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Postby US-SSR » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:01 pm

The Chuck wrote:Hot topic of recent note which led to a little title change, Beto saying he's coming for the ARs and Aks... anyone find it a bit ironic that the person with a burglary charge is also the one wanting to get rid of the means of defending oneself and one's property?


As noted government has the authority to regulate the right to bear arms. What kind of life -- and in what state of the Union --does one have to live that military-style weapons are the only reasonable means to defend yourself or your property? I live in a city. When I need defense I call the cops and they send me someone who not only has a gun but knows how to use it better than I ever will.
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We're not going to control the pandemic!

It is a slaughter and not just a political dispute.

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Postby Arengin Union » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:03 pm

Beto and the Democratic crowd confirmed what I've known for years.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:03 pm

US-SSR wrote:
The Chuck wrote:Hot topic of recent note which led to a little title change, Beto saying he's coming for the ARs and Aks... anyone find it a bit ironic that the person with a burglary charge is also the one wanting to get rid of the means of defending oneself and one's property?


As noted government has the authority to regulate the right to bear arms. What kind of life -- and in what state of the Union --does one have to live that military-style weapons are the only reasonable means to defend yourself or your property? I live in a city. When I need defense I call the cops and they send me someone who not only has a gun but knows how to use it better than I ever will.


The irony of this post and your flag is palpable.
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Postby Dresderstan » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:04 pm

Arengin Union wrote:Beto and the Democratic crowd confirmed what I've known for years.

"We're gonna take your ARs and AK"

Yeah, pry it over my cold dead body Beto.

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Postby Pannerstone » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:05 pm

US-SSR wrote:
The Chuck wrote:Hot topic of recent note which led to a little title change, Beto saying he's coming for the ARs and Aks... anyone find it a bit ironic that the person with a burglary charge is also the one wanting to get rid of the means of defending oneself and one's property?


As noted government has the authority to regulate the right to bear arms. What kind of life -- and in what state of the Union --does one have to live that military-style weapons are the only reasonable means to defend yourself or your property? I live in a city. When I need defense I call the cops and they send me someone who not only has a gun but knows how to use it better than I ever will.


The 2nd amendment refers to freedom of tyranny not your every day life or hunting

"the security of a FREE state"

military weapons are to be used to stop tyranny

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:05 pm

Telconi wrote:
US-SSR wrote:
As noted government has the authority to regulate the right to bear arms. What kind of life -- and in what state of the Union --does one have to live that military-style weapons are the only reasonable means to defend yourself or your property? I live in a city. When I need defense I call the cops and they send me someone who not only has a gun but knows how to use it better than I ever will.


The irony of this post and your flag is palpable.

And his sig, and his post history, and is overall hatred for American Authority.

So, now the police can be trusted to protect you? So now the state can be trusted to protect you?

Also, Military-Style is a buzzword at best. The AR-15 was designed for civilian usage.
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Postby Diopolis » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:06 pm

The Chuck wrote:Hot topic of recent note which led to a little title change, Beto saying he's coming for the ARs and Aks... anyone find it a bit ironic that the person with a burglary charge is also the one wanting to get rid of the means of defending oneself and one's property?

So the prohibited person wants to take guns away from the rest of us too...
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:07 pm

US-SSR wrote:But why is it when I read the old thread title I think of this...

BECAUSE GUNNERY SERGEANT HARTMAN HAS DONE AN OUUUUUT-STANDING JOB GETTING YOUR MIND UNFUCKED!
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