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Your thoughts on pistol braces? (See top of OP for information)

Ban modern sporting rifles
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Pistol braces should be outlawed and current restrictions on SBRs remain in place
86
11%
Pistol braces should be outlawed but current restrictions on SBRs should be removed
30
4%
Pistol braces should be allowed and current restrictions on SBRs should remain
102
13%
Pistol braces should be allowed but current restrictions on SBRs should be removed
454
58%
 
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Postby The of Korea » Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:31 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:

Now imagine the outrage if a red state said "you need to get a mental exam before you can have an abortion"...

don't many states already have counseling mandated for those seeking an abortion?

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:32 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:

Now imagine the outrage if a red state said "you need to get a mental exam before you can have an abortion"...

If anything, NY should perhaps institute mental checks for those currently in office and future candidates, as it is, the current ones are the ones that are mentally deficient.

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:35 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Now imagine the outrage if a red state said "you need to get a mental exam before you can have an abortion"...

If anything, NY should perhaps institute mental checks for those currently in office and future candidates, as it is, the current ones are the ones that are mentally deficient.

That's not a bad idea...
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Postby Diopolis » Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:18 am

The of Korea wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Now imagine the outrage if a red state said "you need to get a mental exam before you can have an abortion"...

don't many states already have counseling mandated for those seeking an abortion?

Counseling for abortion, IIRC, is usually run by planned parenthood.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:36 am

Just think you will get treated to a nice gun control screed during the superbowl. bloomberg the midget nazi spent 11million for his spot.
Unless you are like me and don't watch the superbowl.

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:38 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:

Now imagine the outrage if a red state said "you need to get a mental exam before you can have an abortion"...


Or required to you show any valid us photo ID prior to voting.

Grinning Dragon wrote:Just think you will get treated to a nice gun control screed during the superbowl. bloomberg the midget nazi spent 11million for his spot.
Unless you are like me and don't watch the superbowl.


I think we should crowdfund the spot immediately following his ad to feature a thirty second montage of 2019's best of "Demolition Ranch" in response.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:20 am

I'm guessing that the former agent didn't get the memo that the obama/holder gun running scheme aka fast and furious was rescinded?
ATF investigating former deputy for trafficking weapons to Mexico

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:39 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:Just think you will get treated to a nice gun control screed during the superbowl. bloomberg the midget nazi spent 11million for his spot.
Unless you are like me and don't watch the superbowl.

I watch for the movie trailers
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:46 am

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Just think you will get treated to a nice gun control screed during the superbowl. bloomberg the midget nazi spent 11million for his spot.
Unless you are like me and don't watch the superbowl.

I watch for the movie trailers

I usually look them up the day after.
Also read, that bloomberg has so far spent 100 million on his campaign of authoritarianism.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:48 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:I'm guessing that the former agent didn't get the memo that the obama/holder gun running scheme aka fast and furious was rescinded?
ATF investigating former deputy for trafficking weapons to Mexico

But the grabbers told me that law enforcement can be 100% trusted with guns...
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:55 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:I'm guessing that the former agent didn't get the memo that the obama/holder gun running scheme aka fast and furious was rescinded?
ATF investigating former deputy for trafficking weapons to Mexico

But the grabbers told me that law enforcement can be 100% trusted with guns...

I too have heard the same screed, and in how those type of people are some how firearm experts. I also found out, when a person was shot or they were in a place where a mass shooting occurred they automatically become an expert on all things firearm related as they spout their mindless incoherent anti gun mantra.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:49 pm

BREAKING: Pennsylvania Court Issues Preliminary Injunction Against AG Shapiro’s Ban on ‘Partially Manufactured’ Receivers

Today, Judge P. Kevin Brobson of Pennsylvania’s Commonwealth Court issued a 17-page opinion and order enjoining Pennsylvania State Police (PSP) Commissioner Colonel Robert Evanchick and his agents, servants, and officers “from implementing or enforcing PSP’s new policy addressed to partially manufactured receivers…” PSP issued and enforced the now-blocked policy after being directed to by Attorney General Josh Shapiro in an opinion issued last month. The Court’s opinion and order are available at FPCLegal.org.

Just 4 days after Shapiro’s ‘legal opinion’ was published, Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) Law filed a lawsuit and sought an emergency injunction on behalf of its members and co-petitioners Landmark Firearms LLC, US Rifle LLC, and Polymer80, Inc. The petitioners were represented by attorney Joshua Prince, Chief Counsel of Civil Rights Defense Firm, P.C., at the January 21 preliminary injunction hearing.

The “indefiniteness of PSP’s new enforcement policy on what constitutes a firearm in this Commonwealth creates the potential for arbitrary and discriminatory enforcement,” Judge Brobson explained in today’s opinion. “The public policy of this Commonwealth does not favor such vague laws.” And while there “are many ills that our society faces, and government can be an effective force in combating them,” the “laudable intentions and policy goals of a government agency, however, cannot override limits on governmental power. Simply put, the ends cannot justify the means.”....
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:56 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:BREAKING: Pennsylvania Court Issues Preliminary Injunction Against AG Shapiro’s Ban on ‘Partially Manufactured’ Receivers

Today, Judge P. Kevin Brobson of Pennsylvania’s Commonwealth Court issued a 17-page opinion and order enjoining Pennsylvania State Police (PSP) Commissioner Colonel Robert Evanchick and his agents, servants, and officers “from implementing or enforcing PSP’s new policy addressed to partially manufactured receivers…” PSP issued and enforced the now-blocked policy after being directed to by Attorney General Josh Shapiro in an opinion issued last month. The Court’s opinion and order are available at FPCLegal.org.

Just 4 days after Shapiro’s ‘legal opinion’ was published, Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) Law filed a lawsuit and sought an emergency injunction on behalf of its members and co-petitioners Landmark Firearms LLC, US Rifle LLC, and Polymer80, Inc. The petitioners were represented by attorney Joshua Prince, Chief Counsel of Civil Rights Defense Firm, P.C., at the January 21 preliminary injunction hearing.

The “indefiniteness of PSP’s new enforcement policy on what constitutes a firearm in this Commonwealth creates the potential for arbitrary and discriminatory enforcement,” Judge Brobson explained in today’s opinion. “The public policy of this Commonwealth does not favor such vague laws.” And while there “are many ills that our society faces, and government can be an effective force in combating them,” the “laudable intentions and policy goals of a government agency, however, cannot override limits on governmental power. Simply put, the ends cannot justify the means.”....
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Always nice to see good news for a change.

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:16 pm


Nah your not showing enough enthusiasm this https://youtu.be/g8IVI0sZ6F8 is how you should act when hearing good news
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:45 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:But the grabbers told me that law enforcement can be 100% trusted with guns...

I too have heard the same screed, and in how those type of people are some how firearm experts. I also found out, when a person was shot or they were in a place where a mass shooting occurred they automatically become an expert on all things firearm related as they spout their mindless incoherent anti gun mantra.

Mostly boils down to "I don't wanna get shot while working my punch-clock role as a peace-officer so I'll just sit back and wait for the shooting to stop if I can."

"Unless he's already shooting at me... then I unload every gun-mag I have into his general direction. But you should NEVER do that if you're concealed carrying, because I have special stormtrooper training for precise aim even though studies have shown I miss my mark 80% of the time in a high-stress situation."

Avg citizen: "Well, I don't wanna get shot in my own home while watching the super-bowl... so I guess we have common ground after-all."

Not mentioned: Police have ballistic vests proof against most handguns and even some shotgun loads and can tank hits, average people do not.

"Well, uh.. more people with guns means the shooting continues for longer [it doesn't, the threat usually gets stopped pretty quick] and when we walk in everybody's got a gun out and gives me a panic-attack." [Usually, "the nice folks with guns" will generally obey police orders and give info to get the situation resolve ASAP, there's also convienently a hella lot more living witnessess for some reason]
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:55 am

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:I too have heard the same screed, and in how those type of people are some how firearm experts. I also found out, when a person was shot or they were in a place where a mass shooting occurred they automatically become an expert on all things firearm related as they spout their mindless incoherent anti gun mantra.

Mostly boils down to "I don't wanna get shot while working my punch-clock role as a peace-officer so I'll just sit back and wait for the shooting to stop if I can."

"Unless he's already shooting at me... then I unload every gun-mag I have into his general direction. But you should NEVER do that if you're concealed carrying, because I have special stormtrooper training for precise aim even though studies have shown I miss my mark 80% of the time in a high-stress situation."

Avg citizen: "Well, I don't wanna get shot in my own home while watching the super-bowl... so I guess we have common ground after-all."

Not mentioned: Police have ballistic vests proof against most handguns and even some shotgun loads and can tank hits, average people do not.


So what you are saying is that there should be a tax credit for buying a lvl IIIa ballistic vest or vests with trauma plates. I like where this plan is going, not to mention a boon to the economy as well as protection manufactures will produce more, which in turn will require the hiring of additional staff, it's a win win.

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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:00 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Mostly boils down to "I don't wanna get shot while working my punch-clock role as a peace-officer so I'll just sit back and wait for the shooting to stop if I can."

"Unless he's already shooting at me... then I unload every gun-mag I have into his general direction. But you should NEVER do that if you're concealed carrying, because I have special stormtrooper training for precise aim even though studies have shown I miss my mark 80% of the time in a high-stress situation."

Avg citizen: "Well, I don't wanna get shot in my own home while watching the super-bowl... so I guess we have common ground after-all."

Not mentioned: Police have ballistic vests proof against most handguns and even some shotgun loads and can tank hits, average people do not.


So what you are saying is that there should be a tax credit for buying a lvl IIIa ballistic vest or vests with trauma plates. I like where this plan is going, not to mention a boon to the economy as well as protection manufactures will produce more, which in turn will require the hiring of additional staff, it's a win win.

Yeah, but that means the police will be lugging their patrol-rifles as their primary sidearm everywhere to compensate.

Or take the Russian approach and have police always travel as-squads of three and issue one a loaded M4A1 at all times.
"But that's too expensive!"
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:26 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
So what you are saying is that there should be a tax credit for buying a lvl IIIa ballistic vest or vests with trauma plates. I like where this plan is going, not to mention a boon to the economy as well as protection manufactures will produce more, which in turn will require the hiring of additional staff, it's a win win.

Yeah, but that means the police will be lugging their patrol-rifles as their primary sidearm everywhere to compensate.

Or take the Russian approach and have police always travel as-squads of three and issue one a loaded M4A1 at all times.
"But that's too expensive!"


Oh come one now, I'm trying to get additional vests on the cheap here, plus a tax write off, HA.

Also of interest.


“In a moment of candor, the Associated Press told me directly they avoid self-defense stories because they don’t want to encourage copycats,” said Alan Korwin, a 30-year member of the Society of Professional Journalists (SPJ), and advisor to Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, www.jpfo.org. “The reporter told me if he did report he would face a reprimand, eventual firing, and those stories would simply not run if he did.”

Yes, heaven forbid the media encourage self defense.

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Postby Diopolis » Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:26 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
So what you are saying is that there should be a tax credit for buying a lvl IIIa ballistic vest or vests with trauma plates. I like where this plan is going, not to mention a boon to the economy as well as protection manufactures will produce more, which in turn will require the hiring of additional staff, it's a win win.

Yeah, but that means the police will be lugging their patrol-rifles as their primary sidearm everywhere to compensate.

Or take the Russian approach and have police always travel as-squads of three and issue one a loaded M4A1 at all times.
"But that's too expensive!"

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:46 pm

Ahh, nothing like doxing citizens all in the name of, well I don't know what it would fall under, considering the news org is violating a person's privacy all in the name of the state.
In all honesty it isn't anybodies business who is carrying concealed.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sat Feb 01, 2020 4:05 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:Ahh, nothing like doxing citizens all in the name of, well I don't know what it would fall under, considering the news org is violating a person's privacy all in the name of the state.
In all honesty it isn't anybodies business who is carrying concealed.
CA sheriff forced to reveal concealed carriers’ identities to newspaper


How in the fuck is that even legal?

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Postby Telconi » Sat Feb 01, 2020 4:18 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Ahh, nothing like doxing citizens all in the name of, well I don't know what it would fall under, considering the news org is violating a person's privacy all in the name of the state.
In all honesty it isn't anybodies business who is carrying concealed.
CA sheriff forced to reveal concealed carriers’ identities to newspaper


How in the fuck is that even legal?


I mean, how in the fuck is California even legal?
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sat Feb 01, 2020 4:37 pm

Telconi wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
How in the fuck is that even legal?


I mean, how in the fuck is California even legal?


It isn't and is long overdue for a swift kick in the morals by SCOTUS.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sat Feb 01, 2020 4:39 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I mean, how in the fuck is California even legal?


It isn't and is long overdue for a swift kick in the morals by SCOTUS.

Pretty much this, the SCOTUS needs to slap komiefornia around like the red headed step child that it is.

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Postby Telconi » Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:30 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
It isn't and is long overdue for a swift kick in the morals by SCOTUS.

Pretty much this, the SCOTUS needs to slap komiefornia around like the red headed step child that it is.


Red-headed step-child implies that California is being abused through no fault of it's own. Which is blatantly false.
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