Gun Control 2022 (IV) - Gun Rights, Control, & Government

[Grinning Dragon]

Even firing in full auto, accuracy is affected considering full auto is used as suppression fire. I've been behind the giggle switch many a times in my life of both light and heavy, and I really don't see what the big deal is or why there is such a fear of those firearms, its a tool, I apply the same standard to full autos as I do to those who vilify the made up assault weapon class, all based on illogical fear. If WRA would pop in I believe he could back up the claim of more than 5 million unregistered full autos in America, (which is a good thing IMO). Which would indicate full autos aren't a problem and should be readily available at FFLs.

Every time the gun haters talk about how "dangerous" automatic weapons are, I think of this.

I also get the same vision,
Cantelo isn't a grabber, just agrees with certain firearm regulations, unfortunately. Same arguments and disagreements I've had with some family and friends in regards to BGC, and full autos.

[Kalakar Modus]

Just put well-trained armed security at venues where people are expected to gather in numbers. "Gun Free Zones" don't work. Gun Free Zones are just putting up signs that tell gun-toting psychopaths the area is clear for a shooting spree against defenseless people. Murderers that want to kill, or robbers that want to rob, choose low-risk targets that wont fight back. That's how cowards and bullies operate. A well-defended building is a safe building.

[Genivaria]

What about government militia where everyone is part of the militia via universal conscription?

Ah yes, Title 10 Section 311.

Essentially yes.

[Gig em Aggies]

Even firing in full auto, accuracy is affected considering full auto is used as suppression fire. I've been behind the giggle switch many a times in my life of both light and heavy, and I really don't see what the big deal is or why there is such a fear of those firearms, its a tool, I apply the same standard to full autos as I do to those who vilify the made up assault weapon class, all based on illogical fear. If WRA would pop in I believe he could back up the claim of more than 5 million unregistered full autos in America, (which is a good thing IMO). Which would indicate full autos aren't a problem and should be readily available at FFLs.

Every time the gun haters talk about how "dangerous" automatic weapons are, I think of this.

naw I prefer this https://youtu.be/C95b_NjXkFM?t=143 to show that you don't need full auto to cause some serious damage

[The Two Jerseys]

Every time the gun haters talk about how "dangerous" automatic weapons are, I think of this.

naw I prefer this https://youtu.be/C95b_NjXkFM?t=143 to show that you don't need full auto to cause some serious damage

I was more aiming at pun intended their idea that you can just hammer away on full auto and it won't affect your aim one bit.

[Crockerland]

whats the point we all know that the Democratic party is all about violating the Constitution w/o legitimate cause

That's a pretty heavy accusation. What proof do you have of this being the case?

2. "Red flag" laws are something I'm also supportive of. If a person is likely to be a danger to themselves or others and there is reasonable suspicion for it, then I believe its justified.

>How do the Democrats want to violate the constitution?
>Yeah so anyways we should just get rid of due process and the right to a fair trial completely and just send the Gestapo after random people.

[Ninjar Dread]

KEEP YOUR GRUBBY LITTLE HANDS OFF OF MY GUNS YOU JACK WAGONS!

[Telconi]

That's a pretty heavy accusation. What proof do you have of this being the case?

2. "Red flag" laws are something I'm also supportive of. If a person is likely to be a danger to themselves or others and there is reasonable suspicion for it, then I believe its justified.

>How do the Democrats want to violate the constitution?
>Yeah so anyways we should just get rid of due process and the right to a fair trial completely and just send the Gestapo after random people.

But Hillary Clinton said she respected the end amendment!

[Grinning Dragon]

Today starts the oral arguments of New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. New York City at the Supreme Court, any guesses on how it will go? One concern I have is about Roberts, he's been going souter at times.

Dick Heller Predicts a Supreme Court Win for New York State Rifle & Pistol Association

There is also this shit going on in Virginia.
New Virginia Bill Would Criminalize Second Amendment-Related Speech
Guess bloomberg the head nazi gotta get his monies worth in buying a state legislature.

Virginia State Senator L. Louise Lucas prefiled Senate Bill 64 titled A BILL to amend and reenact § 18.2-433.2 of the Code of Virginia, relating to paramilitary activities; penalty.

The relevant portion:

A person shall be is guilty of unlawful paramilitary activity, punishable as a Class 5 felony if he:

1. Teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, or making of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or

2. Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, intending to employ such training for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or

3. Assembles with one or more persons with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons by drilling, parading, or marching with any firearm, any explosive or incendiary device, or any components or combination thereof.

Ahh, nothing like criminalizing free speech when it's about da gunz.

[Pax Nerdvana]

Today starts the oral arguments of New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. New York City at the Supreme Court, any guesses on how it will go? One concern I have is about Roberts, he's been going souter at times.

Dick Heller Predicts a Supreme Court Win for New York State Rifle & Pistol Association

There is also this shit going on in Virginia.
New Virginia Bill Would Criminalize Second Amendment-Related Speech
Guess bloomberg the head nazi gotta get his monies worth in buying a state legislature.

Virginia State Senator L. Louise Lucas prefiled Senate Bill 64 titled A BILL to amend and reenact § 18.2-433.2 of the Code of Virginia, relating to paramilitary activities; penalty.

The relevant portion:

A person shall be is guilty of unlawful paramilitary activity, punishable as a Class 5 felony if he:

1. Teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, or making of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or

2. Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, intending to employ such training for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or

3. Assembles with one or more persons with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons by drilling, parading, or marching with any firearm, any explosive or incendiary device, or any components or combination thereof.

Ahh, nothing like criminalizing free speech when it's about da gunz.

To me, that sounds suspicously like a slippery slope and censorship.

[Cantelo]

Every time the gun haters talk about how "dangerous" automatic weapons are, I think of this.

I also get the same vision,
Cantelo isn't a grabber, just agrees with certain firearm regulations, unfortunately. Same arguments and disagreements I've had with some family and friends in regards to BGC, and full autos.

I do agree with certain regulations, but I would never ever support anything vaguely "gun grabby" because I love my guns and being able to have them. However, I do agree that the right to have firearms is not unlimited and does have restrictions just like any other right; it's just where those restrictions are that most sane people seem to debate with a minority calling for near-total or complete bans

[Kernen]

Today starts the oral arguments of New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. New York City at the Supreme Court, any guesses on how it will go? One concern I have is about Roberts, he's been going souter at times.

Dick Heller Predicts a Supreme Court Win for New York State Rifle & Pistol Association

There is also this shit going on in Virginia.
New Virginia Bill Would Criminalize Second Amendment-Related Speech
Guess bloomberg the head nazi gotta get his monies worth in buying a state legislature.


Ahh, nothing like criminalizing free speech when it's about da gunz.

To me, that sounds suspicously like a slippery slope and censorship.

Intent is tricky. On its face, a pro-2A open carry-in wouldn't be intended to intimidate, but its a pretty context-based analysis. It doesn't strike me as unconstitutional on its face.

[The Emerald Legion]

To me, that sounds suspicously like a slippery slope and censorship.

Intent is tricky. On its face, a pro-2A open carry-in wouldn't be intended to intimidate, but its a pretty context-based analysis. It doesn't strike me as unconstitutional on its face.

The issue is the presence of guns is considered inherently intimidating by the left.

[Cantelo]

Intent is tricky. On its face, a pro-2A open carry-in wouldn't be intended to intimidate, but its a pretty context-based analysis. It doesn't strike me as unconstitutional on its face.

The issue is the presence of guns is considered inherently intimidating by the left.

Well, no. That's like saying "LGBT marriage is considered inherently intimidating by the right."

I lean more left on most things than right, but I still exercise my Second Amendment rights and would always argue for my right to have them as well as any other law-abiding citizen's. Too many people see political ideology as mutually exclusive rather than a spectrum.

[Grinning Dragon]

The issue is the presence of guns is considered inherently intimidating by the left.

Well, no. That's like saying "LGBT marriage is considered inherently intimidating by the right."

I lean more left on most things than right, but I still exercise my Second Amendment rights and would always argue for my right to have them as well as any other law-abiding citizen's. Too many people see political ideology as mutually exclusive rather than a spectrum.

Eh, I'd have to side with Emerald on this one. Of the few times I've had co-workers in my vehicle, those who lean way left throw a fit that there is a firearm in my vehicle and seem generally scared. In all of my life I have never understood the illogical fear of a tool as if were some talisman born from the fires of hell.

[Cantelo]

Well, no. That's like saying "LGBT marriage is considered inherently intimidating by the right."

I lean more left on most things than right, but I still exercise my Second Amendment rights and would always argue for my right to have them as well as any other law-abiding citizen's. Too many people see political ideology as mutually exclusive rather than a spectrum.

Eh, I'd have to side with Emerald on this one. Of the few times I've had co-workers in my vehicle, those who lean way left throw a fit that there is a firearm in my vehicle and seem generally scared. In all of my life I have never understood the illogical fear of a tool as if were some talisman born from the fires of hell.

Because they've been taught to fear guns and to see firearms as tools capable of death and destruction. Which they potentially could be, but the ridiculous fearmongering only focuses on what could happen in a worst case scenario. I remember when I was in elementary school how they'd use fear tactics and try to scare the shit out of us with what could happen if we (10 year olds) found a gun and used it, how if we so much looked at it wrong it'll explode or something. Obviously this is to keep little kids from letting curiosity get the best of them, but a lot of people don't move past this and it sticks with them (which shows you how childish a lot of the stigma against guns really is).

However, like I've said before, it doesn't excuse the mindset that the Second Amendment is unlimited and somehow more special than the other amendmends in the Bill of Rights; they all have their limits and rightfully so.

[Garbanzony]

What most people on the left fail to realize is that a firearm is only as dangerous as the person who wields it. If I were to wield a gun, regardless if it's a rifle, shotgun, or handgun, I would only ever use it in a lawful manner. The mainstream left seems to think that all guns are always dangerous, no matter who it is that uses them.

[Grinning Dragon]

Eh, I'd have to side with Emerald on this one. Of the few times I've had co-workers in my vehicle, those who lean way left throw a fit that there is a firearm in my vehicle and seem generally scared. In all of my life I have never understood the illogical fear of a tool as if were some talisman born from the fires of hell.

Because they've been taught to fear guns and to see firearms as tools capable of death and destruction. Which they potentially could be, but the ridiculous fearmongering only focuses on what could happen in a worst case scenario. I remember when I was in elementary school how they'd use fear tactics and try to scare the shit out of us with what could happen if we (10 year olds) found a gun and used it, how if we so much looked at it wrong it'll explode or something. Obviously this is to keep little kids from letting curiosity get the best of them, but a lot of people don't move past this and it sticks with them (which shows you how childish a lot of the stigma against guns really is).

However, like I've said before, it doesn't excuse the mindset that the Second Amendment is unlimited and somehow more special than the other amendments in the Bill of Rights; they all have their limits and rightfully so.

Your elementary school did a great disservice in that regards and should be rightfully ashamed. When I was in elementary we were taught firearm safety and a general respect towards firearms.
Each enumerated negative right is just as important as the other, however, the 2nd seems to be treated as a cast off/red headed step child/privilege instead of its rightful place as an enumerated negative right. The amount of limits govts place on the 2nd Amendment is a gross violation that they would never heap upon other negative rights.

[West Leas Oros 2]

What most people on the left fail to realize is that a firearm is only as dangerous as the person who wields it. If I were to wield a gun, regardless if it's a rifle, shotgun, or handgun, I would only ever use it in a lawful manner. The mainstream left seems to think that all guns are always dangerous, no matter who it is that uses them.

If by "the left" you mean American liberalism and the Democratic party, then you're misusing the term "left". What you mean is liberal, which is center-right in the USA. If by "the left" you mean some communist boogeyman like in the Cold War, then no. I will now proceed to shoehorn in that quote from old Karl Marx himself.

“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”

[Garbanzony]

What most people on the left fail to realize is that a firearm is only as dangerous as the person who wields it. If I were to wield a gun, regardless if it's a rifle, shotgun, or handgun, I would only ever use it in a lawful manner. The mainstream left seems to think that all guns are always dangerous, no matter who it is that uses them.

If by "the left" you mean American liberalism and the Democratic party, then you're misusing the term "left". What you mean is liberal, which is center-right in the USA. If by "the left" you mean some communist boogeyman like in the Cold War, then no. I will now proceed to shoehorn in that quote from old Karl Marx himself.

“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”

Finally, something Marx said that I can actually agree with. And yes, I know that the American Democratic party is center-right. I'm complaining more about the leftists such as Robert Francis and AOC.

[Cantelo]

If by "the left" you mean American liberalism and the Democratic party, then you're misusing the term "left". What you mean is liberal, which is center-right in the USA. If by "the left" you mean some communist boogeyman like in the Cold War, then no. I will now proceed to shoehorn in that quote from old Karl Marx himself.

“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”

Finally, something Marx said that I can actually agree with. And yes, I know that the American Democratic party is center-right. I'm complaining more about the leftists such as Robert Francis and AOC.

Honestly the only thing I disagree with AOC on gun control is her proposal to ban semiautos and high capacity magazines. Otherwise I do not see a problem with mandating safe storage of guns, UBGC's, and disarming people convicted of domestic abuse. Here is her tweet.

[West Leas Oros 2]

If by "the left" you mean American liberalism and the Democratic party, then you're misusing the term "left". What you mean is liberal, which is center-right in the USA. If by "the left" you mean some communist boogeyman like in the Cold War, then no. I will now proceed to shoehorn in that quote from old Karl Marx himself.

“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”

Finally, something Marx said that I can actually agree with. And yes, I know that the American Democratic party is center-right. I'm complaining more about the leftists such as Robert Francis and AOC.

Yeah, i'm no fan of Robert Francis, and i'll admit I don't know much about AOC, but I wouldn't consider Robby all that leftist. Just a particularly impotent liberal. As for AOC, yeah, she's a lot more to the left, as far as I know. I'll admit, it's tough that American "socialists" take anti-gun positions, antithetical to the position they really should be taking.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Finally, something Marx said that I can actually agree with. And yes, I know that the American Democratic party is center-right. I'm complaining more about the leftists such as Robert Francis and AOC.

Honestly the only thing I disagree with AOC on gun control is her proposal to ban semiautos and high capacity magazines. Otherwise I do not see a problem with mandating safe storage of guns, UBGC's, and disarming people convicted of domestic abuse. Here is her tweet.

"designed to kill people" LMAO

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Today starts the oral arguments of New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. New York City at the Supreme Court, any guesses on how it will go? One concern I have is about Roberts, he's been going souter at times.

Dick Heller Predicts a Supreme Court Win for New York State Rifle & Pistol Association

There is also this shit going on in Virginia.
New Virginia Bill Would Criminalize Second Amendment-Related Speech
Guess bloomberg the head nazi gotta get his monies worth in buying a state legislature.

Virginia State Senator L. Louise Lucas prefiled Senate Bill 64 titled A BILL to amend and reenact § 18.2-433.2 of the Code of Virginia, relating to paramilitary activities; penalty.

The relevant portion:

A person shall be is guilty of unlawful paramilitary activity, punishable as a Class 5 felony if he:

1. Teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, or making of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or

2. Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, intending to employ such training for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or

3. Assembles with one or more persons with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons by drilling, parading, or marching with any firearm, any explosive or incendiary device, or any components or combination thereof.

Ahh, nothing like criminalizing free speech when it's about da gunz.

Pretty sure even the NRA is going to hit that one, as the first two points kinda outlaw firearms-education programs... which is the group's main focus of membership.

[Grinning Dragon]

Finally, something Marx said that I can actually agree with. And yes, I know that the American Democratic party is center-right. I'm complaining more about the leftists such as Robert Francis and AOC.

Honestly the only thing I disagree with AOC on gun control is her proposal to ban semiautos and high capacity magazines. Otherwise I do not see a problem with mandating safe storage of guns, UBGC's, and disarming people convicted of domestic abuse. Here is her tweet.

AOC's intelligence level is that right under a window licking retard.