Gun Control 2022 (IV) - Gun Rights, Control, & Government

[Big Jim P]

I'm not nearly as gung-ho about gun rights as I used to be. I still support the right to bear arms, but it wouldn't be the end of the world if we implemented sensible gun control laws.

You mean repealed the insensible ones.

That would be all of them.

[Sordhau]

"I'd like to apply for a gun permit."

"For what reason?"

"Someone's trying to kill me!"

"Sir, we're not going to just give a gun permit to every paranoid lunatic who walks in here claiming that someone is trying to kill them! Next!"

*next person walks in*

"I'd like to apply for a gun permit."

"For what reason?"

"I want to kill the other guy who was just in here."

"Hmm, I don't know...does he really deserve to be killed?"

"Uh...yes?"

"Well, all right then, here you go! Just sign here and initial here..."

I read this in a John Cleese accent.

It does sound remarkably like a Monty Python skit lmao.

[American Legionaries]

You mean repealed the insensible ones.

That would be all of them.

Iunno, I'm okay with proofing laws.

[The Two Jerseys]

The Gun *clap* Meme *clap* Review *clap* we've been waiting for.

Grabbers gonna be maaaaaad!

[Big Jim P]

The infringements are being stuck down, slowly but surely.

[Big Jim P]

The Gun *clap* Meme *clap* Review *clap* we've been waiting for.

Grabbers gonna be maaaaaad!

Indeed. There goes their "no good guys with guns stop crime" narrative.

[Greater Cesnica]

Katie Hobbs supports an """assault weapon""" ban. Her head political consultant, Joe Wolf, was caught driving around with an AR-15 leaning against his front passenger seat. He referred to it as a "crowd controller".

Wolf also admitted that gun control was not something that Hobbs wanted to focus on during the campaign, as, in his words: "...this state, unfortunately, is in love with their guns".

Reminder, they are not anti-gun. They are anti you have guns. And they will lie and mislead to get what they want.

[Sordhau]

Katie Hobbs supports an """assault weapon""" ban. Her head political consultant, Joe Wolf, was caught driving around with an AR-15 leaning against his front passenger seat. He referred to it as a "crowd controller".

Wolf also admitted that gun control was not something that Hobbs wanted to focus on during the campaign, as, in his words: "...this state, unfortunately, is in love with their guns".

Reminder, they are not anti-gun. They are anti you have guns. And they will lie and mislead to get what they want.

>be rich
>have more political clout than any other class
>law enforcement basically exists solely to protect my status and privilege
>still own a gun for self-defense in case the masses get wise
>watch all these working class people become dissatisfied with a system that only exploits them for my gain
>some of them start arming themselves
>implement gun control laws to keep them unarmed/disarm them
>they're strategically designed to disproportionately affect the poor, working class people, young people, and minorities as these are the groups most likely to be dissatisfied with the status quo
>unable to purchase weapons legally they go through illegal channels
>if caught they go to a private prison where their wage slavery is exchanged for penal slavery
>either way I win

Just as the Founders intended. God bless Capitalism.

[Grinning Dragon]

A Federal District Court in West Virginia threw out a criminal charge under 18 USC 922k because the law violated the Second Amendment. The US Government failed to demonstrate an appropriate historical analogue reflecting that the modern gun control law banning the possession of firearms with an obliterated serial number. Thus, criminal charge was dismissed but court did allow criminal charge for being a felon in possession to move forward.

US v. Randy Price decision

This ruling is gonna be a thorn in the "everything needs a serial number" and take the wind out of the registration sails.

[Grinning Dragon]

Katie Hobbs supports an """assault weapon""" ban. Her head political consultant, Joe Wolf, was caught driving around with an AR-15 leaning against his front passenger seat. He referred to it as a "crowd controller".

Wolf also admitted that gun control was not something that Hobbs wanted to focus on during the campaign, as, in his words: "...this state, unfortunately, is in love with their guns".

Reminder, they are not anti-gun. They are anti you have guns. And they will lie and mislead to get what they want.

Just like that stacy abrams cunt, she's anti gun and yet so far has spent 1.2 million on private security and that fact is working against her bid to be elected.

[Big Jim P]

A Federal District Court in West Virginia threw out a criminal charge under 18 USC 922k because the law violated the Second Amendment. The US Government failed to demonstrate an appropriate historical analogue reflecting that the modern gun control law banning the possession of firearms with an obliterated serial number. Thus, criminal charge was dismissed but court did allow criminal charge for being a felon in possession to move forward.

US v. Randy Price decision

This ruling is gonna be a thorn in the "everything needs a serial number" and take the wind out of the registration sails.

Like I said: The infringements are being stuck down, slowly but surely.

[Gun Manufacturers]

I wonder if that means that the law in CT requiring someone to obtain a serial number in order to make their own firearm could be successfully challenged? Hell, since serial numbers on firearms weren't REQUIRED until the 1968 GCA (IIRC), I wonder if the GCA could be targeted?

[American Legionaries]

I wonder if that means that the law in CT requiring someone to obtain a serial number in order to make their own firearm could be successfully challenged? Hell, since serial numbers on firearms weren't REQUIRED until the 1968 GCA (IIRC), I wonder if the GCA could be targeted?

One step at a time, friends. But GCA might well get hit eventually.

[Pax Nerdvana]

Katie Hobbs supports an """assault weapon""" ban. Her head political consultant, Joe Wolf, was caught driving around with an AR-15 leaning against his front passenger seat. He referred to it as a "crowd controller".

Wolf also admitted that gun control was not something that Hobbs wanted to focus on during the campaign, as, in his words: "...this state, unfortunately, is in love with their guns".

Reminder, they are not anti-gun. They are anti you have guns. And they will lie and mislead to get what they want.

Just like that stacy abrams cunt, she's anti gun and yet so far has spent 1.2 million on private security and that fact is working against her bid to be elected.

We could take away their private security, and see how they like that…

[Mattopilos III]

I just wish the gun laws here weren't absolute shit.
Heard in Canada it is a little better, even if a little restrictive. Pretty much the only thing I agree with for Australian gun laws are the implementation of lock boxes and disarming guns in storage in transportation. Would prevent lots of deaths you see in America in relation to children gaining access to concealed arms that are LOADED.
We aren't allowed to store loaded guns. That would be a really stupid idea anyway.

[Greater Cesnica]

I just wish the gun laws here weren't absolute shit.
Heard in Canada it is a little better, even if a little restrictive. Pretty much the only thing I agree with for Australian gun laws are the implementation of lock boxes and disarming guns in storage in transportation. Would prevent lots of deaths you see in America in relation to children gaining access to concealed arms that are LOADED.
We aren't allowed to store loaded guns. That would be a really stupid idea anyway.

In Canada we can keep magazines loaded, and next to the gun in the same safe. Fairly quick to retrieve and load in the event of a break-in.

[Grinning Dragon]

I just wish the gun laws here weren't absolute shit.
Heard in Canada it is a little better, even if a little restrictive. Pretty much the only thing I agree with for Australian gun laws are the implementation of lock boxes and disarming guns in storage in transportation. Would prevent lots of deaths you see in America in relation to children gaining access to concealed arms that are LOADED.
We aren't allowed to store loaded guns. That would be a really stupid idea anyway.

An unloaded firearm doesn't do a whole lot of good when its crunch time and there isn't time to load and wrack, let alone storing a firearm in one location and ammo in another, yeah, fuck that.
Then there is the age ol idea / practice of educating the youngins about firearm usage and safety. Absolutely no reason to keep ones child / children in the dark about firearms.
My kids were constantly around loaded firearms when they were little and now they are proficient in their use as well as being well versed in their safe handling.

[Mattopilos III]

I just wish the gun laws here weren't absolute shit.
Heard in Canada it is a little better, even if a little restrictive. Pretty much the only thing I agree with for Australian gun laws are the implementation of lock boxes and disarming guns in storage in transportation. Would prevent lots of deaths you see in America in relation to children gaining access to concealed arms that are LOADED.
We aren't allowed to store loaded guns. That would be a really stupid idea anyway.

In Canada we can keep magazines loaded, and next to the gun in the same safe. Fairly quick to retrieve and load in the event of a break-in.

Hmm... that's a much better system, that would be what I think is best. Having it IN the gun though? Just asking for an accident. Not having it in a gun safe? Why not just shoot your child and save yourself the trouble?
And in America the way they squabble about safety on guns (as in the actual safe mode on the guns) is... infuriating. I'm sorry, but if you struggle to get your gun out of safety mode and push a mag into the gun before a person breaks in, I don't think you are very well trained with your firearm.

[Mattopilos III]

I just wish the gun laws here weren't absolute shit.
Heard in Canada it is a little better, even if a little restrictive. Pretty much the only thing I agree with for Australian gun laws are the implementation of lock boxes and disarming guns in storage in transportation. Would prevent lots of deaths you see in America in relation to children gaining access to concealed arms that are LOADED.
We aren't allowed to store loaded guns. That would be a really stupid idea anyway.

An unloaded firearm doesn't do a whole lot of good when its crunch time and there isn't time to load and wrack, let alone storing a firearm in one location and ammo in another, yeah, fuck that.
Then there is the age ol idea / practice of educating the youngins about firearm usage and safety. Absolutely no reason to keep ones child / children in the dark about firearms.
My kids were constantly around loaded firearms when they were little and now they are proficient in their use as well as being well versed in their safe handling.

Sure - that's why Australia still annoys me. You should be able to at least store loaded magazines, like in Canada.
But if you struggle to get it in you gun in time (that's... not even a few seconds), then I don't think you are trained well with you weapon. Like yeah with the Australian system, you are fucked if it becomes a very short, time-sensitive situation, but if it is the Canadian setup where they are both in the same place and all you have to do is put the mag in... that's not time consuming. If you are fucked in that situation, you likely wouldn't fare much better even if it IS loaded, since the time difference is tiny.

[Greater Cesnica]

In Canada we can keep magazines loaded, and next to the gun in the same safe. Fairly quick to retrieve and load in the event of a break-in.

Hmm... that's a much better system, that would be what I think is best. Having it IN the gun though? Just asking for an accident. Not having it in a gun safe? Why not just shoot your child and save yourself the trouble?
And in America the way they squabble about safety on guns (as in the actual safe mode on the guns) is... infuriating. I'm sorry, but if you struggle to get your gun out of safety mode and push a mag into the gun before a person breaks in, I don't think you are very well trained with your firearm.

Having it in the gun when not in use (i.e when stored) is illegal. Not having it in a gun safe is legal, provided that the firearm is trigger or action locked.

[Mattopilos III]

Hmm... that's a much better system, that would be what I think is best. Having it IN the gun though? Just asking for an accident. Not having it in a gun safe? Why not just shoot your child and save yourself the trouble?
And in America the way they squabble about safety on guns (as in the actual safe mode on the guns) is... infuriating. I'm sorry, but if you struggle to get your gun out of safety mode and push a mag into the gun before a person breaks in, I don't think you are very well trained with your firearm.

Having it in the gun when not in use (i.e when stored) is illegal. Not having it in a gun safe is legal, provided that the firearm is trigger or action locked.

Well yeah that's obvious for the latter - having ammo and magazines lying around isn't what I would call "safe storage."

[Greater Cesnica]

Having it in the gun when not in use (i.e when stored) is illegal. Not having it in a gun safe is legal, provided that the firearm is trigger or action locked.

Well yeah that's obvious for the latter - having ammo and magazines lying around isn't what I would call "safe storage."

And yet it is. I can keep ammo in a drawer or otherwise separated from the firearm (unless they're both together in a safe or another secure container), and I can keep magazines wherever the fuck I please under Canadian law. The purchase and storage of magazines is not regulated whatsoever in Canada- you don't need a license to purchase one for instance.

[Mattopilos III]

Well yeah that's obvious for the latter - having ammo and magazines lying around isn't what I would call "safe storage."

And yet it is. I can keep ammo in a drawer, and I can keep magazines wherever the fuck I please under Canadian law. The purchase and storage of magazines is not regulated whatsoever in Canada- you don't need a license to purchase one for instance.

Noice.
If I happen to go to Canada (got an interview for a postdoc position soon for Manitoba), I would so love to be able to go under those laws instead. Yeah, would have to wait until permanent residence (5 years), but better than here!

[Greater Cesnica]

And yet it is. I can keep ammo in a drawer, and I can keep magazines wherever the fuck I please under Canadian law. The purchase and storage of magazines is not regulated whatsoever in Canada- you don't need a license to purchase one for instance.

Noice.
If I happen to go to Canada (got an interview for a postdoc position soon for Manitoba), I would so love to be able to go under those laws instead. Yeah, would have to wait until permanent residence (5 years), but better than here!

Our Dear Leader is making things worse for us here. If you're in Manitoba you're in luck- so far, Yukon, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and New Brunswick have all indicated that they will not enforce or assist with enforcing the Federal Government's recent gun confiscation program. Neat part about Canada is that the provinces and territories have significant leeway in regards to many issues, including law enforcement.

I just wish the gun laws here weren't absolute shit.
Heard in Canada it is a little better, even if a little restrictive. Pretty much the only thing I agree with for Australian gun laws are the implementation of lock boxes and disarming guns in storage in transportation. Would prevent lots of deaths you see in America in relation to children gaining access to concealed arms that are LOADED.
We aren't allowed to store loaded guns. That would be a really stupid idea anyway.

An unloaded firearm doesn't do a whole lot of good when its crunch time and there isn't time to load and wrack, let alone storing a firearm in one location and ammo in another, yeah, fuck that.
Then there is the age ol idea / practice of educating the youngins about firearm usage and safety. Absolutely no reason to keep ones child / children in the dark about firearms.
My kids were constantly around loaded firearms when they were little and now they are proficient in their use as well as being well versed in their safe handling.

Well the point of laws against keeping loaded firearms stored or having ammo and firearms separate is to negate their use as self-defense tools.

[Mattopilos III]

Noice.
If I happen to go to Canada (got an interview for a postdoc position soon for Manitoba), I would so love to be able to go under those laws instead. Yeah, would have to wait until permanent residence (5 years), but better than here!

Our Dear Leader is making things worse for us here. If you're in Manitoba you're in luck- so far, Yukon, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and New Brunswick have all indicated that they will not enforce or assist with enforcing the Federal Government's recent gun confiscation program. Neat part about Canada is that the provinces and territories have significant leeway in regards to many issues, including law enforcement.

An unloaded firearm doesn't do a whole lot of good when its crunch time and there isn't time to load and wrack, let alone storing a firearm in one location and ammo in another, yeah, fuck that.
Then there is the age ol idea / practice of educating the youngins about firearm usage and safety. Absolutely no reason to keep ones child / children in the dark about firearms.
My kids were constantly around loaded firearms when they were little and now they are proficient in their use as well as being well versed in their safe handling.

Well the point of laws against keeping loaded firearms stored or having ammo and firearms separate is to negate their use as self-defense tools.

Ah, so the state law system is closer to, say, America? Here the states are pretty much under the thumb of federal lawmakers.