Gun Control 2022 (IV) - Gun Rights, Control, & Government

[Big Jim P]

Massive errors in FBI’s Active Shooting Reports regarding cases where civilians stop attacks



I myself wouldn't say errors, I'd say the under-counting is done intentionally. So it doesn't surprise me that the stasi fbi would do this.

This isn't nearly as shocking as it should be, honestly.

I quit being shocked or surprised at the depth of dishonesty gun-grabbers will sink to to support their false narrative a LONG time ago. Somewhere in the mid 80s.

[Paddy O Fernature]

This isn't nearly as shocking as it should be, honestly.

I quit being shocked or surprised at the depth of dishonesty gun-grabbers will sink to to support their false narrative a LONG time ago. Somewhere in the mid 80s.

It is rather amusing watching them scream the same old debunked "facts" over and over until blue the face though.

[American Legionaries]

I quit being shocked or surprised at the depth of dishonesty gun-grabbers will sink to to support their false narrative a LONG time ago. Somewhere in the mid 80s.

It is rather amusing watching them scream the same old debunked "facts" over and over until blue the face though.

It's not. Those idiots vote, and the people they vote for write laws.

[Big Jim P]

I quit being shocked or surprised at the depth of dishonesty gun-grabbers will sink to to support their false narrative a LONG time ago. Somewhere in the mid 80s.

It is rather amusing watching them scream the same old debunked "facts" over and over until blue the face though.

I still laugh at their reaction when the AWB went into effect. They had a conniption when gun makers built smaller guns around the 10 round mags.

[Big Jim P]

It is rather amusing watching them scream the same old debunked "facts" over and over until blue the face though.

It's not. Those idiots vote, and the people they vote for write laws.

Unfortunately true.

[Grinning Dragon]

Well not to be deterred, mexico is going back for another attempt.
Gluttons for Punishment: After Failed Suit Against Gun Makers, Mexico Files Another Suit Against Arizona Gun Retailers

Our neighbors to the south apparently like getting slapped down in the US courts. Last year the Mexican government sued a group of American gun manufacturers for $10 billion, claiming they’re to blame for the country’s horrific violent crime problem. Earlier this month, a district court judge dismissed the lawsuit citing the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act.

Judge F. Dennis Saylor didn’t point out the fact that Mexico manages to “lose” about a third of the firearms it buys every year, but the respondents’ attorneys certainly would have if the suit had gotten that far.

Yesterday, with the help of the American civilian disarmament industry, the Mexican government went back to that well, filing another lawsuit, this time against five Arizona gun retailers it claims are the source of illegal straw purchases that arm drug cartels and enable them to murder Mexican citizens and each other.

Pretty much the same illogical anti gun SOP when anti gun cunts go after FFLs. Enabling straw purchasing, advertising, etc.

[Grinning Dragon]

Yep, help out the cops and put your life in danger, and this is the thanks this guy gets, a bullshit firearm charge.
Man’s Gun Conviction Reversed After Court Finds Police Have No Duty to Protect Him

Police put the man in danger, refused to protect him, and then kidnapped and caged him when he tried to protect himself.

As TFTP has reported, the only case establishing that police have a duty to protect individuals states that those individuals must be under the direct responsibility of police at that time. Otherwise, as was established in both Warren v. District of Columbia and Erie Railroad Co. Vs. Tompkins — “government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen.”

In the single case in which police are required to be responsible, DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services, the court held that no duty arose as a result of a “special relationship,” concluding that Constitutional duties of care and protection only exist as to certain individuals, such as incarcerated prisoners, involuntarily committed mental patients and others restrained against their will and therefore unable to protect themselves.

A New Jersey man has recently learned that even if you work with police to help them out on cases, putting yourself directly in danger, they have no duty to protect you. New Jersey police recruited a man to wear a wire and go undercover for officers to help them solve a case. While this man fulfilled his side of the agreement to help the Lawerence Police Department, after he finished — and was in real danger as a result — police refused to protect him.

After helping police, the man, only identified by his initials, according to NJ.com, “was beat up twice, shot at once and moved residences before finally arming himself in case his attackers accosted him again.”

Because police failed to protect the man, he was eventually forced to acquire a gun to protect himself. That’s when police finally started paying attention to him again — but it was not to help him. During a traffic stop in 2015, police found the man’s gun and he was arrested and charged with illegal possession of a firearm while on probation.

The court sentenced the man to eight years in prison with a mandatory minimum sentence of 4 years. This month, the man appealed his case and his conviction was reversed. As NJ.com reports:

The court took issue with the barring of the necessity defense, which allows defendants to argue that their conduct, while normally illegal, was necessary or justified in a limited instance – in this case, carrying a gun.

The decision says the man described his situation to a police detective: he’d helped police and prosecutors in a prior case and now people were “after him.”

After the two assaults and being fired upon, and moving, he sought help from a detective and the prosecutor from the case, but received no assistance. He told police he wanted to move out of state, but could not due to being on probation.

Despite being beaten up and shot at, prosecutors claimed the man had no “imminent and compelling” reason to defend himself with a firearm. Fortunately, the appeals court disagreed.

“By doing so[wearing a wire], he assisted police in performing their duty to protect the public. Through no fault of his own, his cooperation with the police led to him being beaten up twice and fired upon in his own community,” the decision said.

“Defendant was acutely aware that other individuals in the community wanted to hurt or kill him. We find more than sufficient evidence … to conclude that the threat to defendant was ‘imminent and compelling,’ and raised a reasonable expectation in the defendant that he would suffer physical injury, if not death,” the decision went on.

The defendant’s, “plea to law enforcement for assistance went unanswered. He tried to move out of state to avoid the threat to his life, however he was unable to do so. Defendant also changed his local residence to avoid encounters with his attackers, which didn’t work, as he was attacked outside his new home.”

“Consequently,” the court stated, “he faced a crisis with no opportunity to avoid repeated assaults until he was severely injured or killed.”

Logic and reason prevailed but much to the dismay of the police department who clearly had no interest in protecting this man after he’d helped them.

Police put the man in danger, refused to protect him, and then kidnapped and caged him when he tried to protect himself. This is the problem with a monopoly on “security.”

[The Two Jerseys]

Mfw "people are actively trying to kill me" isn't good enough justification for carrying a gun...

[Grinning Dragon]

Mfw "people are actively trying to kill me" isn't good enough justification for carrying a gun...

If it weren't pretty shitty, I would have suspected it to be a Monty Python skit.

[Veraguas]

I'm not nearly as gung-ho about gun rights as I used to be. I still support the right to bear arms, but it wouldn't be the end of the world if we implemented sensible gun control laws.

[American Legionaries]

I'm not nearly as gung-ho about gun rights as I used to be. I still support the right to bear arms, but it wouldn't be the end of the world if we implemented sensible gun control laws.

You mean repealed the insensible ones.

[The Two Jerseys]

Mfw "people are actively trying to kill me" isn't good enough justification for carrying a gun...

If it weren't pretty shitty, I would have suspected it to be a Monty Python skit.

"I'd like to apply for a gun permit."

"For what reason?"

"Someone's trying to kill me!"

"Sir, we're not going to just give a gun permit to every paranoid lunatic who walks in here claiming that someone is trying to kill them! Next!"

*next person walks in*

"I'd like to apply for a gun permit."

"For what reason?"

"I want to kill the other guy who was just in here."

"Hmm, I don't know...does he really deserve to be killed?"

"Uh...yes?"

"Well, all right then, here you go! Just sign here and initial here..."

[Gun Manufacturers]

I'm not nearly as gung-ho about gun rights as I used to be. I still support the right to bear arms, but it wouldn't be the end of the world if we implemented sensible gun control laws.

What's sensible in your opinion?

[Grinning Dragon]

I'm not nearly as gung-ho about gun rights as I used to be. I still support the right to bear arms, but it wouldn't be the end of the world if we implemented sensible gun control laws.

What's sensible in your opinion?

* Jim Crow raises his hand*

[Greater Cesnica]

I'm not nearly as gung-ho about gun rights as I used to be. I still support the right to bear arms, but it wouldn't be the end of the world if we implemented sensible gun control laws.

"Sensible" means very different things to different people. "Sensible" in my opinion is providing free-of-charge safety training for firearms use. "Sensible" to others means banning all semi-automatic firearms.

[Grinning Dragon]

I'm not nearly as gung-ho about gun rights as I used to be. I still support the right to bear arms, but it wouldn't be the end of the world if we implemented sensible gun control laws.

"Sensible" means very different things to different people. "Sensible" in my opinion is providing free-of-charge safety training for firearms use. "Sensible" to others means banning all semi-automatic firearms.

Up to around the 1960's firearm safety and use was taught in a majority of public schools, then by around the late 70's it had all but disappeared from the remaining public schools.
I think today of the schools that would provide firearm safety are after school programs geared toward hunter education classes with trips out the range.
My old high school had a 5 lane shooting range in the basement.

I do want to say, I thought I had read that the idea of in school firearm training was trying to make a come back, with one district in Kansas that went ahead with it and Wisconsin was trying to pass a firearm education bill.

[Grinning Dragon]

If it weren't pretty shitty, I would have suspected it to be a Monty Python skit.

"I'd like to apply for a gun permit."

"For what reason?"

"Someone's trying to kill me!"

"Sir, we're not going to just give a gun permit to every paranoid lunatic who walks in here claiming that someone is trying to kill them! Next!"

*next person walks in*

"I'd like to apply for a gun permit."

"For what reason?"

"I want to kill the other guy who was just in here."

"Hmm, I don't know...does he really deserve to be killed?"

"Uh...yes?"

"Well, all right then, here you go! Just sign here and initial here..."

I read this in a John Cleese accent.

[Greater Cesnica]

"Sensible" means very different things to different people. "Sensible" in my opinion is providing free-of-charge safety training for firearms use. "Sensible" to others means banning all semi-automatic firearms.

Up to around the 1960's firearm safety and use was taught in a majority of public schools, then by around the late 70's it had all but disappeared from the remaining public schools.
I think today of the schools that would provide firearm safety are after school programs geared toward hunter education classes with trips out the range.
My old high school had a 5 lane shooting range in the basement.

I do want to say, I thought I had read that the idea of in school firearm training was trying to make a come back, with one district in Kansas that went ahead with it and Wisconsin was trying to pass a firearm education bill.

They should definitely make a comeback. Even some Canadian schools (in rural or Northern areas, mind you), still teach hunting skills and firearms safety.

[Paddy O Fernature]

I'm not nearly as gung-ho about gun rights as I used to be. I still support the right to bear arms, but it wouldn't be the end of the world if we implemented sensible gun control laws.

We have enough sensible laws already.

[Greater Cesnica]

I'm not nearly as gung-ho about gun rights as I used to be. I still support the right to bear arms, but it wouldn't be the end of the world if we implemented sensible gun control laws.

We have enough sensible laws already.

Ah yes, very sensible ones like the ones pertaining to SBRs versus pistols.

[Paddy O Fernature]

We have enough sensible laws already.

Ah yes, very sensible ones like the ones pertaining to SBRs versus pistols.

Me thinks your sarcasm detector might be broken.

[Greater Cesnica]

Ah yes, very sensible ones like the ones pertaining to SBRs versus pistols.

Me thinks your sarcasm detector might be broken.

Oh I'm just being sarcastic for the sake of it.

[Grinning Dragon]

Sand in vagina anti gun cunts whining and all around kyle haters intensifies.....
Kyle Rittenhouse and Brandon Herrera Shooting Machine Guns from a Helicopter!
Wonder if brandon will have kyle in one of his shows.

[Greater Cesnica]

Sand in vagina anti gun cunts whining and all around kyle haters intensifies.....
Kyle Rittenhouse and Brandon Herrera Shooting Machine Guns from a Helicopter!
Wonder if brandon will have kyle in one of his shows.

Holy fuck based

[Farnhamia]

Sand in vagina anti gun cunts whining and all around kyle haters intensifies.....
Kyle Rittenhouse and Brandon Herrera Shooting Machine Guns from a Helicopter!
Wonder if brandon will have kyle in one of his shows.

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Sand in vagina anti gun cunts whining and all around kyle haters intensifies.....
Kyle Rittenhouse and Brandon Herrera Shooting Machine Guns from a Helicopter!
Wonder if brandon will have kyle in one of his shows.

Holy fuck based

*** Warned for trolling *** ... because approving a trolling post is trolling.