Gun Control 2022 (IV) - Gun Rights, Control, & Government

[Sordhau]

In what world do you live in?

Apparently, one where Antifa laughably are some sort of "good guys"

That doesn't track since in the real world Antifascists are in fact the good guys.

[The Two Jerseys]

Apparently, one where Antifa laughably are some sort of "good guys"

That doesn't track since in the real world Antifascists are in fact the good guys.

Well when the actual antifacists show up, be sure to let us know.

[Grinning Dragon]

Credit card users beware, Visa is joining MasterCard and American Express in categorizing gun sales separately from other items. This is allegedly implementing a new ISO standard. All of the payment processors are now going to track gun sales.

The pulse night club shooter for example, is rumored to have purchased $26,000 worth of guns and ammo right before doing that shooting. This could be flagged or stopped in future such scenario. It will perhaps be better to use cash instead, for the paranoid among us.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/vis ... separately

Yes and no. Banks don't have to adopt the new ISO merchant code. As that is all this is is just a merchant code, just like Academy is coded as a sports store.
What I can see is merchants that are just strictly firearms will just add fishing stuff and recode as a sports store. Card companies still aren't going to know what a customers buys unless they call the merchant and inquire and a merchant could just lie and say so and so bought camping gear. Then you have people who just pay in cash, check or go to an ATM and withdraw cash using their credit card.

Then you also have hardware stores that either sell firearms or do FFL transfers and sell ammo, such stores ISO merchant code is still going to be hardware.

[The Emerald Legion]

Apparently, one where Antifa laughably are some sort of "good guys"

That doesn't track since in the real world Antifascists are in fact the good guys.

Antifa =/= Antifascists.

[The Emerald Legion]

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[Sordhau]

That doesn't track since in the real world Antifascists are in fact the good guys.

Well when the actual antifacists show up, be sure to let us know.

They already have though. They even took the name "Antifa" to better identify themselves.

That doesn't track since in the real world Antifascists are in fact the good guys.

Antifa =/= Antifascists.

The reality of antifascism is one of violence. You can pretend it's not, but that'll only get you the Sophie Scholl treatment in the end - which is rather counter-productive.

[American Legionaries]

Well when the actual antifacists show up, be sure to let us know.

They already have though. They even took the name "Antifa" to better identify themselves.

Antifa =/= Antifascists.

The reality of antifascism is one of violence. You can pretend it's not, but that'll only get you the Sophie Scholl treatment in the end - which is rather counter-productive.

Rather you could identify a fascist who watched you shave every morning is as off topic as it is doubtful. So we really ought to stick to the subject of gun control.

[American Legionaries]

Credit card users beware, Visa is joining MasterCard and American Express in categorizing gun sales separately from other items. This is allegedly implementing a new ISO standard. All of the payment processors are now going to track gun sales.

The pulse night club shooter for example, is rumored to have purchased $26,000 worth of guns and ammo right before doing that shooting. This could be flagged or stopped in future such scenario. It will perhaps be better to use cash instead, for the paranoid among us.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/vis ... separately

Yes and no. Banks don't have to adopt the new ISO merchant code. As that is all this is is just a merchant code, just like Academy is coded as a sports store.
What I can see is merchants that are just strictly firearms will just add fishing stuff and recode as a sports store. Card companies still aren't going to know what a customers buys unless they call the merchant and inquire and a merchant could just lie and say so and so bought camping gear. Then you have people who just pay in cash, check or go to an ATM and withdraw cash using their credit card.

Then you also have hardware stores that either sell firearms or do FFL transfers and sell ammo, such stores ISO merchant code is still going to be hardware.

The simple solution is not to use tracable payment methods for purchasing guns. Or FFLs if you can help it
As long as the government remains hostile to gun ownership, the less of a paper trail, the better.

[Haganham]

Well when the actual antifacists show up, be sure to let us know.

They already have though. They even took the name "Antifa" to better identify themselves.

That's funny. Because the name antifa is from a militant group of the KPD, a soviet party which official considered all other parties to be fascist, and whose primary role in history is their role in toppling the weimar republic dominant social democrat government, and getting it replaced by the nazis.

Credit card users beware, Visa is joining MasterCard and American Express in categorizing gun sales separately from other items. This is allegedly implementing a new ISO standard. All of the payment processors are now going to track gun sales.

The pulse night club shooter for example, is rumored to have purchased $26,000 worth of guns and ammo right before doing that shooting. This could be flagged or stopped in future such scenario. It will perhaps be better to use cash instead, for the paranoid among us.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/vis ... separately

Yes and no. Banks don't have to adopt the new ISO merchant code. As that is all this is is just a merchant code, just like Academy is coded as a sports store.
What I can see is merchants that are just strictly firearms will just add fishing stuff and recode as a sports store. Card companies still aren't going to know what a customers buys unless they call the merchant and inquire and a merchant could just lie and say so and so bought camping gear. Then you have people who just pay in cash, check or go to an ATM and withdraw cash using their credit card.

Then you also have hardware stores that either sell firearms or do FFL transfers and sell ammo, such stores ISO merchant code is still going to be hardware.

More to the point the way people like the pulse nightclub shooter slip through isn't because their purchase wasn't reported to the FBI, they all are as part of the background check process. It's that the FBI either wasn't aware they were dangerous, or was aware and did nothing anyway.

[Grinning Dragon]

Yes and no. Banks don't have to adopt the new ISO merchant code. As that is all this is is just a merchant code, just like Academy is coded as a sports store.
What I can see is merchants that are just strictly firearms will just add fishing stuff and recode as a sports store. Card companies still aren't going to know what a customers buys unless they call the merchant and inquire and a merchant could just lie and say so and so bought camping gear. Then you have people who just pay in cash, check or go to an ATM and withdraw cash using their credit card.

Then you also have hardware stores that either sell firearms or do FFL transfers and sell ammo, such stores ISO merchant code is still going to be hardware.

The simple solution is not to use traceable payment methods for purchasing guns. Or FFLs if you can help it
As long as the government remains hostile to gun ownership, the less of a paper trail, the better.

I'd say 90% of my firearm purchases are done via private sale, at LGS I use cash, save for the times I order online, then I use my bank card.
Reading a few of the news items of this retarded credit card thing, on one in the comment section; a FFL suggested putting in ATMs and directing their customers to withdraw cash then make the sale. The only draw back that was pointed out was the ATM fee and some credit card companies have higher rates on cash withdraw percentage than if the customer just did a direct charge.

Also in a way it's quite laughable in how antigun groups and antigun politicians are thinking this is just the bee's knees when in reality it isn't really a win for them at all.

[Adamede]

Apparently, one where Antifa laughably are some sort of "good guys"

That doesn't track since in the real world Antifascists are in fact the good guys.

The OG Antifaschistische Aktion did more to help the Nazis than hamper them by targeting the SocDems over the actual fascist, and modern day Antifa in America is just a by ch of rich kids who protest and sometimes riot.

[Bovad]

In what world do you live in?

Apparently, one where Antifa laughably are some sort of "good guys"

Real antifascists are good, antifa is nothing more than a way for people (mostly liberals) to say they are antifascists (which they are not--they're just the party not actively being fascist). Antifa is not a group.

[Saiwania]

Real antifascists are good, antifa is nothing more than a way for people (mostly liberals) to say they are antifascists (which they are not--they're just the party not actively being fascist). Antifa is not a group.

The point is that Antifa could be organzined into a group if not several. They're rabble which undermine the strength and security of the Empire (if one is established). I can't and will not ever condone that.

[Bovad]

Real antifascists are good, antifa is nothing more than a way for people (mostly liberals) to say they are antifascists (which they are not--they're just the party not actively being fascist). Antifa is not a group.

The point is that Antifa could be organzined into a group if not several. They're rabble which undermine the strength and security of the Empire (if one is established). I can't and will not ever condone that.

What the hell are you talking about?

[Saiwania]

What the hell are you talking about?

I have every reason to believe that a Fascist system/government will actually be an improvement over democracy in general. I'm not going to rebel against that, unless the new government is objectively not ruling well. China's government works for example, because like them or not- they're still ensuring China is rich/powerful, and they provide their subjects with just enough vices/carrots to ensure their morale as to intercede any movement towards rebellion before it even starts.

[Bovad]

What the hell are you talking about?

I have every reason to believe that a Fascist system/government will actually be an improvement over democracy in general. I'm not going to rebel against that, unless the new government is objectively not ruling well. China's government works for example, because like them or not- they're still ensuring China is rich/powerful, and they provide their subjects with just enough vices/carrots to ensure their morale as to intercede any movement towards rebellion before it even starts.

This seems like a joke.

[The Two Jerseys]

I have every reason to believe that a Fascist system/government will actually be an improvement over democracy in general. I'm not going to rebel against that, unless the new government is objectively not ruling well. China's government works for example, because like them or not- they're still ensuring China is rich/powerful, and they provide their subjects with just enough vices/carrots to ensure their morale as to intercede any movement towards rebellion before it even starts.

This seems like a joke.

You must be new here. Sai actually believes this stuff.

[Bovad]

This seems like a joke.

You must be new here. Sai actually believes this stuff.

Wow. Damn.

[The Emerald Legion]

Apparently, one where Antifa laughably are some sort of "good guys"

Real antifascists are good, antifa is nothing more than a way for people (mostly liberals) to say they are antifascists (which they are not--they're just the party not actively being fascist). Antifa is not a group.

Well no, they very much are the party actively flirting with fascism. Hence the increasingly radical 'Cut that shit out' from their opposition.

[Haganham]

Nah. W got fascism nearly a hundred years ago. It's the dominant political-economic system now. What they're flirting with is feudalism.

[Big Jim P]

The simple solution is not to use traceable payment methods for purchasing guns. Or FFLs if you can help it
As long as the government remains hostile to gun ownership, the less of a paper trail, the better.

I'd say 90% of my firearm purchases are done via private sale, at LGS I use cash, save for the times I order online, then I use my bank card.
Reading a few of the news items of this retarded credit card thing, on one in the comment section; a FFL suggested putting in ATMs and directing their customers to withdraw cash then make the sale. The only draw back that was pointed out was the ATM fee and some credit card companies have higher rates on cash withdraw percentage than if the customer just did a direct charge.

Also in a way it's quite laughable in how antigun groups and antigun politicians are thinking this is just the bee's knees when in reality it isn't really a win for them at all.

If you don't mind paying the fee, you should be able to use per-paid credit/gift cards.

[Tarsonis]

The simple solution is not to use traceable payment methods for purchasing guns. Or FFLs if you can help it
As long as the government remains hostile to gun ownership, the less of a paper trail, the better.

I'd say 90% of my firearm purchases are done via private sale, at LGS I use cash, save for the times I order online, then I use my bank card.
Reading a few of the news items of this retarded credit card thing, on one in the comment section; a FFL suggested putting in ATMs and directing their customers to withdraw cash then make the sale. The only draw back that was pointed out was the ATM fee and some credit card companies have higher rates on cash withdraw percentage than if the customer just did a direct charge.

Also in a way it's quite laughable in how antigun groups and antigun politicians are thinking this is just the bee's knees when in reality it isn't really a win for them at all.

online banks refund atm fees

[Gun Manufacturers]

I have to laugh at this:

https://nypost.com/2022/09/10/la-mayora ... from-home/

An anti-gun politician had 2 firearms stolen from her house, with no other items (cash, electronics, jewelry, etc) stolen. So it's ok for her to own firearms (and be careless with them), but we unwashed masses can't be trusted with them? She can pound sand.

[Andronya]

I have to laugh at this:

https://nypost.com/2022/09/10/la-mayora ... from-home/

An anti-gun politician had 2 firearms stolen from her house, with no other items (cash, electronics, jewelry, etc) stolen. So it's ok for her to own firearms (and be careless with them), but we unwashed masses can't be trusted with them? She can pound sand.

What else can you expect from an anti-gun politician? Rules for thee, but not for me.

[American Legionaries]

I have to laugh at this:

https://nypost.com/2022/09/10/la-mayora ... from-home/

An anti-gun politician had 2 firearms stolen from her house, with no other items (cash, electronics, jewelry, etc) stolen. So it's ok for her to own firearms (and be careless with them), but we unwashed masses can't be trusted with them? She can pound sand.

Gun grabbers are untrustworthy and malicious, also water is wet and the sky is blue.