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Your thoughts on pistol braces? (See top of OP for information)

Ban modern sporting rifles
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15%
Pistol braces should be outlawed and current restrictions on SBRs remain in place
86
11%
Pistol braces should be outlawed but current restrictions on SBRs should be removed
30
4%
Pistol braces should be allowed and current restrictions on SBRs should remain
102
13%
Pistol braces should be allowed but current restrictions on SBRs should be removed
454
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:29 am

Dogmeat wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:What about for literally everything else than the extreme ends of the political horseshoe?

For everything else there's Mastercard.

Interesting you brought this up.
Seems the dipshit rattle head gabby group wants credit card companies to flag "suspicious" purchases, basically an attempt to shut down using credit cards to buy firearms and ammo.
Gabby Giffords’ Gun Control Groups Ask Major Credit Cards to Flag Gun, Ammo Purchases
Gabby Giffords’ gun control group, Giffords, is calling on major credit card companies to flag gun and ammunition purchases.

Giffords posted a tweet Sunday, which said, “The shooters in at least 5 mass shootings have stockpiled guns & ammo using credit cards and killed 145 people. Visa, Mastercard, and American Express have the power to flag suspicious purchases and save lives. Call on them to act.”

The tweet linked to a campaign by another gun control group called GunsDownAmerica.

The GunsDownAmerica campaign says, “Between 2007 and 2020, the killers in at least five major mass shootings used credit cards to finance their deadly rampages. These individuals exploited the banking system to purchase large quantities of firearms and ammunition — and the financial industry has the power to stop them.”...


The problem with this is, what constitutes as a "suspicious" purchase? Some firearms can cost thousands of dollars and buying ammo in bulk is a way to save money per round.

Then in NY, they want credit card companies to track purchases...
Why credit card companies tracking purchases is a problem

More than four dozen state lawmakers have penned a letter to Mastercard and American Express, urging the New York-based credit card companies to support a measure that could make it easier to spot suspicious purchases at gun stores.

Credit card companies track spending based on the type of retailer where a card is used — though they do not track the individual items that are purchased. Each purchase is tagged with what’s called a merchant category code, with the master list set by an international standards body. Some categories are fairly broad, such as those for grocery stores and airlines, while others are quite specific. There are unique codes for tent and awning shops, wig and toupee stores — even separate categories for antique shops, secondhand stores and pawn shops.

But there are no codes just for gun retailers.

A Mastercard reference booklet lumps them into a “miscellaneous” category with magic stores, silk flower shops and bottled and distilled water dealers, or a “durable goods” category that also includes lighting fixtures and grave markers.

“I think people would be shocked to find that out,” said State Sen. Zellnor Myrie, who spearheaded the letter, which was shared exclusively with Gothamist. It asks Mastercard and American Express to support the creation of a new code for gun sellers.

“I think the public would agree that it’s important for us to keep track of these things,” Myrie said.


Both of these ideas just boil down to economic fascism and a hatred for individual rights to keep and bear arms.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:28 pm

If you all remember Miller v. Bonta, where judge Roger T. Benitez ruled CA. awb was unconstitutional, then was kicked up to the 9th circus, well the 9th circus vacated the case back down to Benitez due to Bruen decision by the supreme court, well Benitez has given the state of CA 60 days to file final briefs.
I don't see Benitez changing his mind on his original ruling and now with Bruen handed down, that ruling is only going to buttress Benitez's original ruling that awb are definitely unconstitutional.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Aug 31, 2022 4:51 am

Ah, yes, two brain cells joe showing his intelligence again.
“Do you realize the bullet out of an AR-15 travels 5 times as rapidly as a bullet shot out of any other gun.”
-retard joe the dipshit biden.
Most likely he's the product of incestuous retards, because no one can be this fucking stupid when such data on rifle round velocities is just a click away.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Aug 31, 2022 5:14 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:Ah, yes, two brain cells joe showing his intelligence again.
“Do you realize the bullet out of an AR-15 travels 5 times as rapidly as a bullet shot out of any other gun.”
-retard joe the dipshit biden.
Most likely he's the product of incestuous retards, because no one can be this fucking stupid when such data on rifle round velocities is just a click away.

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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Wed Aug 31, 2022 8:23 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:If you all remember Miller v. Bonta, where judge Roger T. Benitez ruled CA. awb was unconstitutional, then was kicked up to the 9th circus, well the 9th circus vacated the case back down to Benitez due to Bruen decision by the supreme court, well Benitez has given the state of CA 60 days to file final briefs.
I don't see Benitez changing his mind on his original ruling and now with Bruen handed down, that ruling is only going to buttress Benitez's original ruling that awb are definitely unconstitutional.


So, final briefs are due on or around October 29th? If so, I'm hoping for a happy Halloween. :D
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Auraelius wrote:If you take the the TITANIC, and remove the letters T, T, and one of the I's, and add the letters C,O,S,P,R, and Y you get CONSPIRACY. oOooOooooOOOooooOOOOOOoooooooo


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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Aug 31, 2022 2:44 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:If you all remember Miller v. Bonta, where judge Roger T. Benitez ruled CA. awb was unconstitutional, then was kicked up to the 9th circus, well the 9th circus vacated the case back down to Benitez due to Bruen decision by the supreme court, well Benitez has given the state of CA 60 days to file final briefs.
I don't see Benitez changing his mind on his original ruling and now with Bruen handed down, that ruling is only going to buttress Benitez's original ruling that awb are definitely unconstitutional.


So, final briefs are due on or around October 29th? If so, I'm hoping for a happy Halloween. :D

Sounds about right. TBH, if I were the judge I'd only give them 1 day.

How about another one going down, first superior, co and now boulder, co.
BRUEN AGAIN: Boulder County ‘Assault Weapon’, Magazine Bans Blocked By Biden-Appointed Federal Judge
For the second time in as many months, a federal judge has blocked a Colorado locality from enforcing an “assault weapon” and ammunition magazine ban ordinance.

U.S. District Judge Charlotte Sweeney, a Biden appointee, issued a temporary restraining order (TRO) on Tuesday against Boulder County. It stops enforcement of the county’s ban on the manufacture and sale of assault weapons, which include the popular AR-15, and ammunition magazines capable of holding more than ten rounds.

“On this admittedly limited record and with a liberal analysis of this factor, the Court finds that Plaintiffs establish a substantial likelihood of success on the merits,” Judge Sweeney wrote, citing the Supreme Court’s recent decision in New York State Rifle and Pistol Association v. Bruen as justification for her analysis.

The TRO order marks the second indication of early success for gun rights advocates in the state since the Supreme Court handed down its landmark gun carry decision in June. Last month, an Obama-appointed District Court judge issued a TRO against the Town of Superior to block it from enforcing a similar ban following a lawsuit from the Rocky Mountain Gun Owners (RMGO).

The group subsequently filed suits against the Cities of Boulder and Louisville, as well as Boulder County, to challenge similar laws passed as a collaborative effort by the localities. The continued success of gun-rights advocates in these suits could deter future efforts to enact stringent gun control at the local level in Colorado. The ruling also shows the new Bruen standard of review for gun suits may be bad news for other assault weapons bans across the country.

Tuesday’s restraining order arrived the same day RMGO and the Cities of Boulder, Superior, Louisville, and the County of Boulder reached an agreement to halt the enforcement of the bans and consolidate the cases against them.

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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Fri Sep 02, 2022 2:01 pm

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/califo ... l-key-vote

I think what pisses me off the most in this article is California Attorney General Rob Bonta pissing and moaning about "Californians currently have nearly unfettered access to concealed carry permits following the failed vote". Rob Bonta is an elitist ass, and he can fuck off.
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sat Sep 03, 2022 7:43 am

Gun Manufacturers wrote:https://www.foxnews.com/politics/california-gun-control-law-stays-unenforceable-democrat-lawmakers-fail-key-vote

I think what pisses me off the most in this article is California Attorney General Rob Bonta pissing and moaning about "Californians currently have nearly unfettered access to concealed carry permits following the failed vote". Rob Bonta is an elitist ass, and he can fuck off.

Vaginal mistakes like bonta hate individualism, hate enumerated rights, believe people should be subservient to the state and should rely on the police to handle their protection while yet support defunding police. Shitstain doesn't believe the common man should have the ability to defend oneself or others and yet is afforded a security detail who carry firearms to protect his ass as if he's more important than the common man, when he isn't.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Sep 04, 2022 2:37 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:For everything else there's Mastercard.

Interesting you brought this up.
Seems the dipshit rattle head gabby group wants credit card companies to flag "suspicious" purchases, basically an attempt to shut down using credit cards to buy firearms and ammo.
Gabby Giffords’ Gun Control Groups Ask Major Credit Cards to Flag Gun, Ammo Purchases
Gabby Giffords’ gun control group, Giffords, is calling on major credit card companies to flag gun and ammunition purchases.

Giffords posted a tweet Sunday, which said, “The shooters in at least 5 mass shootings have stockpiled guns & ammo using credit cards and killed 145 people. Visa, Mastercard, and American Express have the power to flag suspicious purchases and save lives. Call on them to act.”

The tweet linked to a campaign by another gun control group called GunsDownAmerica.

The GunsDownAmerica campaign says, “Between 2007 and 2020, the killers in at least five major mass shootings used credit cards to finance their deadly rampages. These individuals exploited the banking system to purchase large quantities of firearms and ammunition — and the financial industry has the power to stop them.”...


The problem with this is, what constitutes as a "suspicious" purchase? Some firearms can cost thousands of dollars and buying ammo in bulk is a way to save money per round.

Then in NY, they want credit card companies to track purchases...
Why credit card companies tracking purchases is a problem

More than four dozen state lawmakers have penned a letter to Mastercard and American Express, urging the New York-based credit card companies to support a measure that could make it easier to spot suspicious purchases at gun stores.

Credit card companies track spending based on the type of retailer where a card is used — though they do not track the individual items that are purchased. Each purchase is tagged with what’s called a merchant category code, with the master list set by an international standards body. Some categories are fairly broad, such as those for grocery stores and airlines, while others are quite specific. There are unique codes for tent and awning shops, wig and toupee stores — even separate categories for antique shops, secondhand stores and pawn shops.

But there are no codes just for gun retailers.

A Mastercard reference booklet lumps them into a “miscellaneous” category with magic stores, silk flower shops and bottled and distilled water dealers, or a “durable goods” category that also includes lighting fixtures and grave markers.

“I think people would be shocked to find that out,” said State Sen. Zellnor Myrie, who spearheaded the letter, which was shared exclusively with Gothamist. It asks Mastercard and American Express to support the creation of a new code for gun sellers.

“I think the public would agree that it’s important for us to keep track of these things,” Myrie said.


Both of these ideas just boil down to economic fascism and a hatred for individual rights to keep and bear arms.


Do what I do: use cash.

Can't use a credit card for private sales anyway.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun Sep 04, 2022 7:37 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Interesting you brought this up.
Seems the dipshit rattle head gabby group wants credit card companies to flag "suspicious" purchases, basically an attempt to shut down using credit cards to buy firearms and ammo.
Gabby Giffords’ Gun Control Groups Ask Major Credit Cards to Flag Gun, Ammo Purchases


The problem with this is, what constitutes as a "suspicious" purchase? Some firearms can cost thousands of dollars and buying ammo in bulk is a way to save money per round.

Then in NY, they want credit card companies to track purchases...
Why credit card companies tracking purchases is a problem



Both of these ideas just boil down to economic fascism and a hatred for individual rights to keep and bear arms.


Do what I do: use cash.

Can't use a credit card for private sales anyway.

99% of the time I do use cash in private/store purchases, however there is that 1% where a FFL around me doesn't have a particular firearm and seems to be a toss up on when or if they can get it ordered from their distributor.

Which also gets me to thinking, how again is a firearm manufacturer responsible for a person using a regulated and legally sold product which is sold and sent to a distributor then to FFLs who have agreements with said distributor or firearms that are sent directly to FFLs via a firearm distributor agreement from the manufacturer, then when sold to the end user must pass a bgc?

Also need to point out for the lurkers here, Remington DID NOT settle, it was Remington's insurance company that decided to cave to payout all without conferring with Remington, a lawsuit the insurance company would have won and if the insurance company was smart should have countered sued the parent group.

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Postby Haganham » Sun Sep 04, 2022 7:40 am

Big Jim P wrote:Do what I do: use cash.

Cue police sitting outside gun stores seizing cash because having cash is suspicious
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun Sep 04, 2022 8:53 am

Haganham wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:Do what I do: use cash.

Cue police sitting outside gun stores seizing cash because having cash is suspicious

'round these parts police already sit outside in their car or are inside by the entrance at most of the big box stores.
Last month when I was at Academy and bought a pistol as I was walking out, the cop by the entrance looks at me sees my AR15 essential t-shirt sees the firearm box and says, "Molon Labe".

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Sun Sep 04, 2022 5:29 pm

I use cash whenever I can, but it’s not practical to carry around $400 in cash.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Sep 04, 2022 6:13 pm

Pax Nerdvana wrote:I use cash whenever I can, but it’s not practical to carry around $400 in cash.


When I'm gun shopping I will often carry $1,000-$10,000 depending on what I am looking for.
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Sun Sep 04, 2022 9:17 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:I use cash whenever I can, but it’s not practical to carry around $400 in cash.


When I'm gun shopping I will often carry $1,000-$10,000 depending on what I am looking for.


The last time I had $10,000 in folding money in my hands was February 16th. I liked it, but I believe it will be a while before I get the chance again. :(
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:32 pm

F in chat for our Canadian neighbours who are about to lose their knife collections in boating accidents.
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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:17 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
When I'm gun shopping I will often carry $1,000-$10,000 depending on what I am looking for.


The last time I had $10,000 in folding money in my hands was February 16th. I liked it, but I believe it will be a while before I get the chance again. :(


It's been a while for me too.

Eventually I will find a nice Barret 50 cal offered in a private sale and will likely carry a lot more than that.
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Postby Adamede » Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:22 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:F in chat for our Canadian neighbours who are about to lose their knife collections in boating accidents.

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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:53 am

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The Two Jerseys wrote:F in chat for our Canadian neighbours who are about to lose their knife collections in boating accidents.

What did I miss?


There was a mass stabbing in Canada. 10 dead, 15 wounded last I checked, and the suspects were still at large.
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

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Maineiacs wrote:Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and get drunk all day.


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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Wed Sep 07, 2022 6:50 pm

And another Democrat attack on the 2nd Amendment, attempting to make the expense of the 2nd Amendment too high for the common person to afford.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-con ... /8741/text

This steaming pile of horse dung of a bill would impose a 20% tax (in addition to any current taxes) on the REVENUE (not profit) of any "assault weapons" manufacturer or importer, regardless if that revenue came from "assault weapons" or not.

I don't see this bill going far, but it's still irritating to see legislators proposing these bills after the Bruen case laid out the Constitutional test firearms laws have to abide by.
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

DOJ's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fi ... -p0126.pdf

Natapoc wrote:...You should post more in here so I don't seem like the extremist...


Auraelius wrote:If you take the the TITANIC, and remove the letters T, T, and one of the I's, and add the letters C,O,S,P,R, and Y you get CONSPIRACY. oOooOooooOOOooooOOOOOOoooooooo


Maineiacs wrote:Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and get drunk all day.


Luw wrote:Politics is like having two handfuls of shit - one that smells bad and one that looks bad - and having to decide which one to put in your mouth.

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Postby Galloism » Wed Sep 07, 2022 7:10 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:And another Democrat attack on the 2nd Amendment, attempting to make the expense of the 2nd Amendment too high for the common person to afford.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-con ... /8741/text

This steaming pile of horse dung of a bill would impose a 20% tax (in addition to any current taxes) on the REVENUE (not profit) of any "assault weapons" manufacturer or importer, regardless if that revenue came from "assault weapons" or not.

I don't see this bill going far, but it's still irritating to see legislators proposing these bills after the Bruen case laid out the Constitutional test firearms laws have to abide by.

Just so you know, even if it did, my people would help do corporate restructuring to essentially segregate "assault weapons" into its own manufacturing and sales stream, effectively avoiding the revenue tax on other types of weapons.
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Postby Security Corp » Wed Sep 07, 2022 7:22 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:F in chat for our Canadian neighbours who are about to lose their knife collections in boating accidents.

They can't do that, can they? You can't ban knives, they're simply too easy to make, and they're needed in every house and workplace.

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Postby Chingis » Wed Sep 07, 2022 7:54 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:Ah, yes, two brain cells joe showing his intelligence again.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Wed Sep 07, 2022 9:52 pm

Security Corp wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:F in chat for our Canadian neighbours who are about to lose their knife collections in boating accidents.

They can't do that, can they? You can't ban knives, they're simply too easy to make, and they're needed in every house and workplace.

Britain already did.

First they came for me Scottish claymore, but I said nothing for I had no Scottish claymore...

... I just pictured a scottish claymore-roomba.
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Postby Bovad » Wed Sep 07, 2022 9:59 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:I feel like getting an AK and an A.R. 15, designating the AK for defense against proud boys and far right extremists, and the A.R. 15 to protect me against antifa and far-left extremists.

If you're scared by people calling themself antifascistthen you seriously have to reconsider where you stand.
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