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Your thoughts on pistol braces? (See top of OP for information)

Ban modern sporting rifles
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15%
Pistol braces should be outlawed and current restrictions on SBRs remain in place
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Pistol braces should be outlawed but current restrictions on SBRs should be removed
30
4%
Pistol braces should be allowed and current restrictions on SBRs should remain
102
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Pistol braces should be allowed but current restrictions on SBRs should be removed
454
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:56 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:I heard someone declare today that "military grade weapons that can kill 30 people in 5 seconds should be banned". What people don't know could fill an encyclopedia.

I work with people just as equally ignorant, and most of these dipshits are teachers who rail on to their students to do their research and yet fail to take heed of their own advise.
I've gotten a few of them so flustered they stammer and storm off.

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:57 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:I heard someone declare today that "military grade weapons that can kill 30 people in 5 seconds should be banned". What people don't know could fill an encyclopedia.

I work with people just as equally ignorant, and most of these dipshits are teachers who rail on to their students to do their research and yet fail to take heed of their own advise.
I've gotten a few of them so flustered they stammer and storm off.

I really wanted to correct her, but I don't know if it would have been quite appropriate.
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Postby Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:58 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:I heard someone declare today that "military grade weapons that can kill 30 people in 5 seconds should be banned". What people don't know could fill an encyclopedia.

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:00 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:I heard someone declare today that "military grade weapons that can kill 30 people in 5 seconds should be banned". What people don't know could fill an encyclopedia.

I don't think a weapon like that could really exist. Except maybe like a nuke.
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Postby Antityranicals » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:01 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:I heard someone declare today that "military grade weapons that can kill 30 people in 5 seconds should be banned". What people don't know could fill an encyclopedia.

I don't think a weapon like that could really exist. Except maybe like a nuke.

They do, and are ubiquitous. One can make such a weapon in his own home with a basic knowledge in chemistry.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:02 am

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West Leas Oros 2 wrote:I don't think a weapon like that could really exist. Except maybe like a nuke.

They do, and are ubiquitous. One can make such a weapon in his own home with a basic knowledge in chemistry.

And how would one go about banning people from just building IEDs?
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Postby Antityranicals » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:04 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Antityranicals wrote:They do, and are ubiquitous. One can make such a weapon in his own home with a basic knowledge in chemistry.

And how would one go about banning people from just building IEDs?

Short answer: that person doesn't know what he or she is talking about. Anyway, why do we trust governments, which have been proven inept over and over again and which cannot be held accountable, with powerful weapons, and not individuals who can be held accountable?
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:07 am

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West Leas Oros 2 wrote:And how would one go about banning people from just building IEDs?

Short answer: that person doesn't know what he or she is talking about. Anyway, why do we trust governments, which have been proven inept over and over again and who cannot be held accountable, with powerful weapons, and not individuals who can be held accountable?

We shouldn't. In an ideal world, there wouldn't be a need for powerful weapons. But we live in a flawed world. And in this flawed world, a disarmed populace can be made to obey. An armed populace cannot be compelled so easily.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:08 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:I work with people just as equally ignorant, and most of these dipshits are teachers who rail on to their students to do their research and yet fail to take heed of their own advise.
I've gotten a few of them so flustered they stammer and storm off.

I really wanted to correct her, but I don't know if it would have been quite appropriate.

When an opportunity arises to correct, I take the initiative; to hell with appropriateness.
I will even offer to take them to the range and educate them even further on various firearms.

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Postby Antityranicals » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:11 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Antityranicals wrote:Short answer: that person doesn't know what he or she is talking about. Anyway, why do we trust governments, which have been proven inept over and over again and who cannot be held accountable, with powerful weapons, and not individuals who can be held accountable?

We shouldn't. In an ideal world, there wouldn't be a need for powerful weapons. But we live in a flawed world. And in this flawed world, a disarmed populace can be made to obey. An armed populace cannot be compelled so easily.

But who's doing the "compelling to obey?" And obeying what? Obeying the same inept, stupid, and evil governments which have caused nearly all problems which our world face? A heavily armed populace is necessary to prevent tyranny like we face today.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:14 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Antityranicals wrote:Short answer: that person doesn't know what he or she is talking about. Anyway, why do we trust governments, which have been proven inept over and over again and who cannot be held accountable, with powerful weapons, and not individuals who can be held accountable?

We shouldn't. In an ideal world, there wouldn't be a need for powerful weapons. But we live in a flawed world. And in this flawed world, a disarmed populace can be made to obey. An armed populace cannot be compelled so easily.

This reminded me of this Civilian Disarmament and Tyranny—A Tale of Three Cities

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:18 am

Antityranicals wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:We shouldn't. In an ideal world, there wouldn't be a need for powerful weapons. But we live in a flawed world. And in this flawed world, a disarmed populace can be made to obey. An armed populace cannot be compelled so easily.

But who's doing the "compelling to obey?" And obeying what? Obeying the same inept, stupid, and evil governments which have caused nearly all problems which our world face? A heavily armed populace is necessary to prevent tyranny like we face today.

I'm not disagreeing with you. If you're reading what I wrote, it is the governments and elites, the cronies, they're the ones trying to force us into obedience, and it is us, the populace, who must arm ourselves to defend our liberty.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:19 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:I really wanted to correct her, but I don't know if it would have been quite appropriate.

When an opportunity arises to correct, I take the initiative; to hell with appropriateness.
I will even offer to take them to the range and educate them even further on various firearms.

Nice plan. Any excuse to take a trip to the range is a good excuse.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:24 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:When an opportunity arises to correct, I take the initiative; to hell with appropriateness.
I will even offer to take them to the range and educate them even further on various firearms.

Nice plan. Any excuse to take a trip to the range is a good excuse.

I've converted a few who leaned antigun or were on the fence. The smile on their face after they squeeze off a few rounds tells me all I need to know.
A big help are my daughters, those kids are pretty good at putting those uneasy about a certain firearm at ease and boost their confidence that they can fire said firearm.

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:38 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:Nice plan. Any excuse to take a trip to the range is a good excuse.

I've converted a few who leaned antigun or were on the fence. The smile on their face after they squeeze off a few rounds tells me all I need to know.
A big help are my daughters, those kids are pretty good at putting those uneasy about a certain firearm at ease and boost their confidence that they can fire said firearm.

I can imagine that would be quite helpful.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:13 pm

Pax Nerdvana wrote:I heard someone declare today that "military grade weapons that can kill 30 people in 5 seconds should be banned". What people don't know could fill an encyclopedia.

Do they know of someplace selling surplus Mark 65's that we haven't heard about?
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:19 pm

Genivaria wrote:Just had it brought up from an episode of House, are Hollow Point bullets generally illegal for civilians in the US other than hunting game?

They're pretty legal and quite commonplace.

Target-shooters sometimes use use "Matchking" line of bullets which is a hollowpoint by nature of how it is copper-jacketed... in other cases teh hollow'd recess forms a better shock-cone than a pointy spitzer-bullet within a confined Overall Case-Length.

"Wadcutter" bullets are hollow-points too, again as a byproduct of how they get kicked out of their bullet-molds, and as a feature to cut a clean hole in a paper target for neatness.

Armor piercing bullets are also legal.

Explodey-bullets too, but their usage is quite a bit more regulated. And yes, such things exist and yes they do exactly what it sounds like... and yes, Russians and Germans shot at each other with them back in the 1940s for some reason. Finns, too.

I will point out that shooting someone with a non-hunting round is generally quickly construed by lawyers to mean it was pre-meditated murder, and not just because it just happened to be whatever was in the nearest box of ammo. AKA: "Exotic ammunition" like buck & slug combination rounds, or buckshot.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:34 pm

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dozen ... spartanntp

Bam right in the kisser hopefully we can go further and have all Deputy Sheriffs do this as well as city PD's and throw the DNC's sanctuary city policy right back in there faces.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:03 pm

https://ibb.co/bF8hd5S

so apparently a Semi automatic .45 caliber handgun is now considered an assault rifle. the pic was the lead that I screen capped but no where in the actual story does it mention anything about an assault rifle. Agenda there is.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:22 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:https://ibb.co/bF8hd5S

so apparently a Semi automatic .45 caliber handgun is now considered an assault rifle. the pic was the lead that I screen capped but no where in the actual story does it mention anything about an assault rifle. Agenda there is.

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Postby Sovaal » Sat Nov 16, 2019 8:35 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:https://ibb.co/bF8hd5S

so apparently a Semi automatic .45 caliber handgun is now considered an assault rifle. the pic was the lead that I screen capped but no where in the actual story does it mention anything about an assault rifle. Agenda there is.

Its because most people don't bother actually reading most news articles they see, but rather will just look at the title. So you gotta grab their attention, and "semi auto rifle" is an attention grabbing set of words in our society. Same reason that special attention is drawn to female and child victims of any incident resulting in injury or death. Clickbait.
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Postby The Chuck » Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:27 pm

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Dammit man, if you're going to advertise shit in the Gun Control thread, at least advertise weapon components and accessories! :roll:
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Postby Kernen » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:22 am

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
I will point out that shooting someone with a non-hunting round is generally quickly construed by lawyers to mean it was pre-meditated murder, and not just because it just happened to be whatever was in the nearest box of ammo. AKA: "Exotic ammunition" like buck & slug combination rounds, or buckshot.


Its because that is such an easy plug to make.

"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, Mr. Gunowner loaded his weapon with specialty ammunition because he was looking to kill. He wasn't desperately lunging for his weapon in the heat of the moment, he picked a kind of bullet that would maximize his weapon's lethality. That was a choice. A conscious choice. A premeditated choice."

That shit is gold if you've taken the time to paint a picture of a bloodthirsty murderer. Or even if you're going after non-premeditated murder, you could punch holes in the self defense argument like:

"Self defense requires that the use of force be reasonable. It has to be appropriate for the situation. Friends, I can concede that Mr. Gunowner felt in fear of his life. But loading a weapon with exotic ammunition designed to cause horrific wounds? That isn't reasonable. He could have used target rounds, which could have stopped the threat without leaving such grievous wounds, but he chose not to. He chose to use an unreasonable amount of force, above and beyond what the situation called for. That isn't self-defense, ladies and gentlemen, thats murder."

Its just ridiculously easy to spin it.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:00 am

Sovaal wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:https://ibb.co/bF8hd5S

so apparently a Semi automatic .45 caliber handgun is now considered an assault rifle. the pic was the lead that I screen capped but no where in the actual story does it mention anything about an assault rifle. Agenda there is.

Its because most people don't bother actually reading most news articles they see, but rather will just look at the title. So you gotta grab their attention, and "semi auto rifle" is an attention grabbing set of words in our society. Same reason that special attention is drawn to female and child victims of any incident resulting in injury or death. Clickbait.

And of course the mainstream media will never call out one of their own for spreading outright lies like this, yet they'd rake Donald Trump over the coals if he rounded up the price he said he paid for dinner to the next dollar...
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:04 am

As we all know, joe biden is a fucking retard, recently he was in Seattle grifting poor saps of their hard earned money and got on the topic of gun control as per the SOP for those running.
Biden: Ban 9mm Pistols Just Like We Ban Bazookas and Machine Guns
...While saying he supports the Second Amendment, Biden called the absolutist arguments of some gun-rights supporters “bizarre.” Noting people can’t own machine guns or bazookas, Biden said, “Why should we allow people to have military-style weapons including pistols with 9-mm bullets and can hold 10 or more rounds?”

Just what in the fuck is a military style 9mm pistol and how does that differ from any other commercially available 9mm pistol?

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