Gun Control 2022 (IV) - Gun Rights, Control, & Government

[Greater Cesnica]

TBH, I'm surprised that isn't a thing during what is basically their boot camp, the same with stress factored force on force training. That 30% is shit and does not instill any confidence what so ever.
Anybody can stand 20 feet away and shoot at a silhouette and 10 ring the fucker all day.

>Anybody can stand 20 feet away and shoot at a silhouette and 10 ring the fucker all day.

Wanna know how I know you've never watched cops qualify with their service weapons?

Literal range newbies are able to do so though. I don't get how exactly they accomplish the sheer incompetence.

[Grinning Dragon]

TBH, I'm surprised that isn't a thing during what is basically their boot camp, the same with stress factored force on force training. That 30% is shit and does not instill any confidence what so ever.
Anybody can stand 20 feet away and shoot at a silhouette and 10 ring the fucker all day.

>Anybody can stand 20 feet away and shoot at a silhouette and 10 ring the fucker all day.

Wanna know how I know you've never watched cops qualify with their service weapons?

OK, let's hear it.

[Grinning Dragon]

>Anybody can stand 20 feet away and shoot at a silhouette and 10 ring the fucker all day.

Wanna know how I know you've never watched cops qualify with their service weapons?

Literal range newbies are able to do so though. I don't get how exactly they accomplish the sheer incompetence.

When my kids were young I'd place the target close so they could get shots on target and they could see instant results without them getting discouraged and losing interest.

[Arengin Union]

Its been a month since Bruen, why is Miller v Bonta still pending

[Thermodolia]

Its been a month since Bruen, why is Miller v Bonta still pending

Court takes a break after June until September

[Grinning Dragon]

Its been a month since Bruen, why is Miller v Bonta still pending

I thought the supreme court remanded/vacated this case back down with the new guidelines?

[Greater Cesnica]

Some potential Canadian gun ownership wins on the horizon.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ToewsforAlbe ... 4011214849

This is the mainstream "establishment" candidate for the leadership election for the ruling United Conservative Party in Alberta.

This would be BIG for Albertan gun owners, and would provoke a confrontation between the Feds and the AB government. Knowing the UCP grassroots, I think he may follow through.

Meanwhile this is Danielle Smith proposing the Alberta Sovereignty Act: https://www.facebook.com/DanielleSmithA ... 639728787/

If passed (highly unconstitutional, would also provoke a direct confrontation with the Feds), would give the Albertan government the authority to flat out ignore any federal law or statute, including Federal firearms law. Under such circumstances Alberta would almost certainly adopt looser laws that, while seeming rather strict by American standards, would at least guarantee defensive use of firearms under the law and may open up the possibility of concealed carry, in addition to tackling magazine, suppressor, and """assault weapon""" laws.

Smith has a plurality of the UCP grassroots behind her at this time, whilst Toews has the backing of most of the party establishment (with the notable exception of the caucus chair, who backs Smith). Therefore, if the United Conservative Party wins the next election and attains a majority in the legislature, some wild shit could play out.

[Greater Cesnica]

RE: Federal politics, the Conservative Party of Canada is also having its leadership election right now. The presumptive winner, Pierre Poilievre, has committed to repealing the recent ban on further handgun ownership, repealing the May 1, 2020 Order-In-Council that banned """assault weapons""", scrapping the de-facto long gun registry that got pushed through, and more. Crucially, he may order a review of the Firearms Act itself, which in turn would lead to a looser ownership regime.

[American Legionaries]

>Anybody can stand 20 feet away and shoot at a silhouette and 10 ring the fucker all day.

Wanna know how I know you've never watched cops qualify with their service weapons?

Literal range newbies are able to do so though. I don't get how exactly they accomplish the sheer incompetence.

Bad flinches, being afraid of the gun, etc.

I have literally watched actively employed peace officers turn their head away from the gun as they squeezed the trigger...

[Thomasi]

RE: Federal politics, the Conservative Party of Canada is also having its leadership election right now. The presumptive winner, Pierre Poilievre, has committed to repealing the recent ban on further handgun ownership, repealing the May 1, 2020 Order-In-Council that banned """assault weapons""", scrapping the de-facto long gun registry that got pushed through, and more. Crucially, he may order a review of the Firearms Act itself, which in turn would lead to a looser ownership regime.

Someone forgot to tell Anglo conservative parties that America is a bad template to follow. Seriously, The "Liberal" party of Australia, Conservative party of UK and Conserative party of Canada are all trying to emulate America (not the guns for the UK obviously).

[Greater Cesnica]

RE: Federal politics, the Conservative Party of Canada is also having its leadership election right now. The presumptive winner, Pierre Poilievre, has committed to repealing the recent ban on further handgun ownership, repealing the May 1, 2020 Order-In-Council that banned """assault weapons""", scrapping the de-facto long gun registry that got pushed through, and more. Crucially, he may order a review of the Firearms Act itself, which in turn would lead to a looser ownership regime.

Someone forgot to tell Anglo conservative parties that America is a bad template to follow. Seriously, The "Liberal" party of Australia, Conservative party of UK and Conserative party of Canada are all trying to emulate America (not the guns for the UK obviously).

Peer-reviewed studies have definitely discredited the connection between gun control and homicides and suicides in Canada.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/artic ... ne.0234457
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... via%3Dihub

Do not lecture me as a non-Canadian on the supposed efficacy of gun control and civilian gun ownership here.

Literal range newbies are able to do so though. I don't get how exactly they accomplish the sheer incompetence.

Bad flinches, being afraid of the gun, etc.

I have literally watched actively employed peace officers turn their head away from the gun as they squeezed the trigger...

That's scary.

[American Legionaries]

Someone forgot to tell Anglo conservative parties that America is a bad template to follow. Seriously, The "Liberal" party of Australia, Conservative party of UK and Conserative party of Canada are all trying to emulate America (not the guns for the UK obviously).

Peer-reviewed studies have definitely discredited the connection between gun control and homicides and suicides in Canada.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/artic ... ne.0234457
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... via%3Dihub

Do not lecture me as a non-Canadian on the supposed efficacy of gun control and civilian gun ownership here.

Bad flinches, being afraid of the gun, etc.

I have literally watched actively employed peace officers turn their head away from the gun as they squeezed the trigger...

That's scary.

The state minimum requirements are scary. Like, there's no time pressure, there's no requirement to even use your rig (a lot of folks shoot it with mags sitting on the bench in front of them), There's no movement involved.

I have watched cops flinch, I have watched cops ND, I have watched a cop grope at his belt for like four or five seconds while trying to reload before finally looking down to see where he had his spare mags...

Iirc there's no requirement to ever re-qual with anything other than the service pistol, which means you bet your ass there's patrol units with rifles and the officer doesn't even know how to use an AR platform rifle.

[Gun Manufacturers]

I've just been hearing about this, but apparently HR2818 (the repeal of PLCAA) and HR1808 ("Assault Weapons" ban) have been tabled, because apparently the Democrats no longer think they have enough support in the House to pass it.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Yeah I don't know really anything about guns but I can guarantee you I'm a better target shooter than 99% of the gun owners on this site after I far out performed the non former LEOs in my special police class when we had to do target practice despite being my first and only time ever shooting or holding a firearm.

Somehow I don't believe you.

He's in Massachusetts. Nobody shoots straight and the officers figured out an unsharpened 3/8" pencil hole punched into a targets looks "just like a wadcuttter hole" as long as you don't have a real wadcutter hole to compare it to.


The whole state is literally bottom of the barrel in marksmanship in competitions.

[Thomasi]

Somehow I don't believe you.

He's in Massachusetts. Nobody shoots straight and the officers figured out an unsharpened 3/8" pencil hole punched into a targets looks "just like a wadcuttter hole" as long as you don't have a real wadcutter hole to compare it to.
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Maryland. The state that saved the Union from losing its independence in 1812 when the anthem says "And the flag was still there".

[Hurtful Thoughts]

He's in Massachusetts. Nobody shoots straight and the officers figured out an unsharpened 3/8" pencil hole punched into a targets looks "just like a wadcuttter hole" as long as you don't have a real wadcutter hole to compare it to.
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Maryland. The state that saved the Union from losing its independence in 1812 when the anthem says "And the flag was still there".

So the state that in known for propping up the US flag with a pile of dead patriots for your right to shitpost. Alrighty.

Meanwhie our state had this fella called "Berdan". That dude was a sharp shot at Sandy Hook.

There may not have been an I in team, but there sure was an I Corps that bailed out Buford's lads.

Could you imagine if cops actually had to do run and guns?

TBH, I'm surprised that isn't a thing during what is basically their boot camp, the same with stress factored force on force training. That 30% is shit and does not instill any confidence what so ever.
Anybody can stand 20 feet away and shoot at a silhouette and 10 ring the fucker all day.

Speaking of.. gonna be training some 14 year olds out to 30m in about another week.

Moving targets, too.

TFW Thomasi's shooting standard is that of a literal child.

I'm blind and I don't even consider the minimum police quals a warm-up.
-I'm only blind in my dominant eye, it's fine. I'm not left-handed anyways.

[The Two Jerseys]

He's in Massachusetts. Nobody shoots straight and the officers figured out an unsharpened 3/8" pencil hole punched into a targets looks "just like a wadcuttter hole" as long as you don't have a real wadcutter hole to compare it to.
.

Maryland. The state that saved the Union from losing its independence in 1812 when the anthem says "And the flag was still there".

The state that conveniently forgets April 19, 1861...

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Maryland. The state that saved the Union from losing its independence in 1812 when the anthem says "And the flag was still there".

The state that conveniently forgets April 19, 1861...

Good one.

But yeah, Thomasi probably still has two good eyes, two good ears, two working legs, and two good hands. I kinda expect people in such a position to do better than myself.

[Thomasi]

Maryland. The state that saved the Union from losing its independence in 1812 when the anthem says "And the flag was still there".

The state that conveniently forgets April 19, 1861...

We didn't join the confederacy.

[Adamede]

The state that conveniently forgets April 19, 1861...

We didn't join the confederacy.

The Union feared so much that you would that they occupied Baltimore.

[Adamede]

Police are notoriously awful with firearms. Accuracy, but also safety.

The national average is 30% accuracy which in a tense situation with combative suspects and a handgun isn't that bad

That one guy in Indiana managed to get 8/10 shots on target in a defensive shooting so 3/10 sounds unacceptable.

[Malacanos]

We should just form workers' militias recruited from the revived trade union movement. Keep a close eye on the system to make sure that it reforms itself properly.

[Grinning Dragon]

Seventeen States Join GOA as Plaintiffs Against ATF’s New Firearms Rule

FARGO, ND -(Ammoland.com)- Seventeen state attorney generals have signed on as plaintiffs to the Gun Owners of America’s case against the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) and its new rule surrounding the redefinition of a firearm.

The states that have joined the case are Arizona, West Virginia, Alaska, Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, Utah, and Wyoming. The 17 states claim that the ATF final rule violates the authority of the government agency...

Would love to see the BATFe(ARBF) gutted.

[American Legionaries]

We should just form workers' militias recruited from the revived trade union movement. Keep a close eye on the system to make sure that it reforms itself properly.

Or not.

[Malacanos]

We should just form workers' militias recruited from the revived trade union movement. Keep a close eye on the system to make sure that it reforms itself properly.

Or not.

Why not?