Gun Control 2022 (IV) - Gun Rights, Control, & Government

[Telconi]

Just had it brought up from an episode of House, are Hollow Point bullets generally illegal for civilians in the US other than hunting game?

No.

[Grinning Dragon]

Just had it brought up from an episode of House, are Hollow Point bullets generally illegal for civilians in the US other than hunting game?

Only in backwards places like the Democratic People's Socialist Republic of New Jermany.

Never understood that, does the armpit of America like the chance of overpenetration during a self defense shoot?
Here I thought the idea was to stop an attacker quickly as possible, guess armpit doesn't like their criminal voting base dying off.

[Telconi]

Only in backwards places like the Democratic People's Socialist Republic of New Jermany.

Never understood that, does the armpit of America like the chance of overpenetration during a self defense shoot?
Here I thought the idea was to stop an attacker quickly as possible, guess armpit doesn't like their criminal voting base dying off.

They're gun grabbers, hollow points scare them and they're too stupid to know why.

[The Two Jerseys]

Only in backwards places like the Democratic People's Socialist Republic of New Jermany.

Never understood that, does the armpit of America like the chance of overpenetration during a self defense shoot?
Here I thought the idea was to stop an attacker quickly as possible, guess armpit doesn't like their criminal voting base dying off.

How bold of you to assume that self defense is legal there.

[Grinning Dragon]

Never understood that, does the armpit of America like the chance of overpenetration during a self defense shoot?
Here I thought the idea was to stop an attacker quickly as possible, guess armpit doesn't like their criminal voting base dying off.

How bold of you to assume that self defense is legal there.

That's a shame.

And now for some levity at the expense of a moron with two brain cells fighting and one brain cell has cancer.

I believe in the Second Amendment but nobody says you can have a rounds a magazine with a hundred clips in it a hundred bullets in it

- Joe Biden

[Telconi]

How bold of you to assume that self defense is legal there.

That's a shame.

And now for some levity at the expense of a moron with two brain cells fighting and one brain cell has cancer.

I believe in the Second Amendment but nobody says you can have a rounds a magazine with a hundred clips in it a hundred bullets in it

- Joe Biden

I believe in your right to have this thing, but nobody says you can have this thing.

[The Emerald Legion]

This makes me wonder. If someone stands near the border of a state with stand your ground laws, and fires into a state that does not....

Which law takes precedence?

[Grinning Dragon]

This makes me wonder. If someone stands near the border of a state with stand your ground laws, and fires into a state that does not....

Which law takes precedence?

I would garner a guess the side that upholds SYG. However I suppose that wouldn't stop the other state's AG to issue an arrest warrant and have one extradited to that state.
Quite the quandary.

[The Emerald Legion]

This makes me wonder. If someone stands near the border of a state with stand your ground laws, and fires into a state that does not....

Which law takes precedence?

I would garner a guess the side that upholds SYG. However I suppose that wouldn't stop the other state's AG to issue an arrest warrant and have one extradited to that state.
Quite the quandary.

So I looked it up, and the answer is both. Both states can have a separate trial under their state laws.

[Pax Nerdvana]

I would garner a guess the side that upholds SYG. However I suppose that wouldn't stop the other state's AG to issue an arrest warrant and have one extradited to that state.
Quite the quandary.

So I looked it up, and the answer is both. Both states can have a separate trial under their state laws.

IIRC, you can't be tried for the same crime twice. I wonder if that would apply to our little scenario?

[The Emerald Legion]

So I looked it up, and the answer is both. Both states can have a separate trial under their state laws.

IIRC, you can't be tried for the same crime twice. I wonder if that would apply to our little scenario?

It doesn't. You're being tried once in two separate courts.

[Pax Nerdvana]

IIRC, you can't be tried for the same crime twice. I wonder if that would apply to our little scenario?

It doesn't. You're being tried once in two separate courts.

Makes sense.

[West Leas Oros 2]

He's on the right track.

Being slightly more moderate than the most extreme on one position hardly makes someone "on the right track".

Who knows? Maybe he'll let go of his anti-gun beliefs. Probably not, but we can hope so.

[Diopolis]

Just had it brought up from an episode of House, are Hollow Point bullets generally illegal for civilians in the US other than hunting game?

No.
Variants of hollow points are probably the most common civilian ammunition for hunting and self defense. They’re also pretty standard for police and armed security.
Certain revolver rounds are actually more common in hollow point.

[Kernen]

This makes me wonder. If someone stands near the border of a state with stand your ground laws, and fires into a state that does not....

Which law takes precedence?

I would garner a guess the side that upholds SYG. However I suppose that wouldn't stop the other state's AG to issue an arrest warrant and have one extradited to that state.
Quite the quandary.

Cross-border crime gets you into federal jurisdiction. Further, there are bodies of law and tests to evaluate which court has proper jurisdiction. I imagine that the state in which the victim was shot would be the proper jurisdiction. That state has the stronger interest in prosecution.

[Asle Leopolka]

Only if they're advertising the hammers as highly effective weapons.

What if they advertise it as a highly effective hammer?

[Crockerland]

What proof do they have that loony toon was influenced by said advertisement? I highly doubt he was interested in firearm ads.
This is nothing more than an attempt to shift blame and punish a firearm manufacturer for daring to make firearms and to further criminalize firearm ownership.

I guess Home Depot is going to go out of business in the state with all the lawsuits from people who've been attacked by hammer wielding crooks. Ow wait...somehow only incidents involving black rifles matter.

I think it depends. An inoffensive hammer for hanging up picture frames like this is fine:

But a deadly assault hammer like this?

No civilian needs that!

[Asle Leopolka]

I guess Home Depot is going to go out of business in the state with all the lawsuits from people who've been attacked by hammer wielding crooks. Ow wait...somehow only incidents involving black rifles matter.

I think it depends. An inoffensive hammer for hanging up picture frames like this is fine:

But a deadly assault hammer like this?

No civilian needs that!

Oh God, just think of the war accessories you could mount on that bottom rail!

[The Chuck]

I think it depends. An inoffensive hammer for hanging up picture frames like this is fine:

But a deadly assault hammer like this?

No civilian needs that!

Oh God, just think of the war accessories you could mount on that bottom rail!

Thanks for the spot... I just unlocked the bipod on my hammer...

[Gig em Aggies]

Oh God, just think of the war accessories you could mount on that bottom rail!

Thanks for the spot... I just unlocked the bipod on my hammer...

I'm surprised no one unlocked the Assault Hammer in MW yet you know how those types of games can be with all there guns and stuff that "sane" people don't like.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Just had it brought up from an episode of House, are Hollow Point bullets generally illegal for civilians in the US other than hunting game?

Nope, hollow points are completely legal to purchase/own, for any/every legal purpose.

[Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth]

Never understood that, does the armpit of America like the chance of overpenetration during a self defense shoot?
Here I thought the idea was to stop an attacker quickly as possible, guess armpit doesn't like their criminal voting base dying off.

How bold of you to assume that self defense is legal there.

Exactly. In New York you can only shoot someone if they shoot you first. It aint logical so my family has lawyers as friends to call in case someone comes on our property. Unlike NYC residents we shoot to kill, not to tickle.

[Grinning Dragon]

Here is something that I have always known in regards to polling people on whether X should be heavily restricted or banned, worded in such a way to get their desired outcome. Which is why I don't buy it or have any faith on the poll numbers indicating support or opposition.
Analysis Of “Assault Weapons” Polling Shows Phrasing Skews Results

The overall results of these experiments confirm that asking Americans if they are “for or against a law which would make it illegal to sell or possess assault rifles” produces a lower level of support than asking them about such actions using a specific reference to a “ban” or by simplifying wording to ask directly about making ownership or manufacture of assault weapons illegal. It may be that the first wording is confusing to some respondents, particularly for those with less formal education. The use of more direct wording points to the conclusion evident from the preponderance of other research conducted in 2018 and 2019 — that a majority of Americans support a ban on assault weapons at this time.

[Asle Leopolka]

Here is something that I have always known in regards to polling people on whether X should be heavily restricted or banned, worded in such a way to get their desired outcome. Which is why I don't buy it or have any faith on the poll numbers indicating support or opposition.
Analysis Of “Assault Weapons” Polling Shows Phrasing Skews Results

The overall results of these experiments confirm that asking Americans if they are “for or against a law which would make it illegal to sell or possess assault rifles” produces a lower level of support than asking them about such actions using a specific reference to a “ban” or by simplifying wording to ask directly about making ownership or manufacture of assault weapons illegal. It may be that the first wording is confusing to some respondents, particularly for those with less formal education. The use of more direct wording points to the conclusion evident from the preponderance of other research conducted in 2018 and 2019 — that a majority of Americans support a ban on assault weapons at this time.

Yup. My first job after college was drafting and analyzing surveys and at the time it was not uncommon for those soliciting surveys to be extremely "involved" in their design. We did a case study where we used doublespeak vs layman's terms and the results were completely different.

[Pax Nerdvana]

I heard someone declare today that "military grade weapons that can kill 30 people in 5 seconds should be banned". What people don't know could fill an encyclopedia.