Gun Control 2022 (IV) - Gun Rights, Control, & Government

[Thomasi]

What army I mean through voting, not through violence. No army needed just ~400k voters or 10% of the electorate.

Socialism can't come to exist via the ballot box or legislation. The purpose of organizing a party and running candidates is to amplify socialist messages and further lay the groundwork and conditions for revolution against the currently existing state.

Or....you run as a democrat, get support through your policies, change the charters and constitutions to make voting proportional representation, then either start a new party or join a socialist and use your supporters to win the most seats.

This isn't the 1800s violent revolutions don't work anymore.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Socialism can't come to exist via the ballot box or legislation. The purpose of organizing a party and running candidates is to amplify socialist messages and further lay the groundwork and conditions for revolution against the currently existing state.

Or....you run as a democrat, get support through your policies, change the charters and constitutions to make voting proportional representation, then either start a new party or join a socialist and use your supporters to win the most seats.

Which isn't socialism. You do understand it's an actual full ideology and not just being slightly to the left on economics, right?

This isn't the 1800s violent revolutions don't work anymore.

The past few decades rather quickly disproves this.

[Big Jim P]

We should just create state militia's that are separate from the National Guard that every gun owners must be a part of, when you sign the paperwork to start the process you agree to be called up anytime the governor calls forth the milita.

No. The Supreme Court ruled in Heller vs DC that the right to bear arms is independent of participation in a militia.

Not only that, but we are all already the militia.

[The Two Jerseys]

No. The Supreme Court ruled in Heller vs DC that the right to bear arms is independent of participation in a militia.

Not only that, but we are all already the militia.

Well, men are at least.

But then we shouldn't be surprised that another gun control proposal is discriminatory...

[Big Jim P]

Would you all support classes on how to safely use,clean and store guns in which if you take the class/recertify it every say 5-10 years, you get some sort of tax relief or reduction of the cost of a permit?

Sounds like a decent idea. Even us old dog shooters can use more training and practice. As long as it isn't mandatory, I would support this.

[Saiwania]

I've been thinking, we should all forget about gun control if the assumption is correct that we're heading towards a post-apocalyptic world. Its not if organized states/governments will collapse, its when. We're going to need possession of whatever guns we want for the upcoming wars over resources over the planet's climate getting hotter and hotter.

[Thomasi]

Wrong thread

[Big Jim P]

Raise the age to do sex work to 21 and require actually identification like a credit card or SSN to access such content and impose harsh penalties for advertising on sites without real age verification and the numbers will drop while allowing those who do decide to have a legally protected avenue.

By 21 people likely will be finishing college or doing a different job and will be less inclined. Also customers will likely flock to the younger European sex workers further hindering the US sex industry.

I think you meant to post this in a different thread.

[Thomasi]

Raise the age to do sex work to 21 and require actually identification like a credit card or SSN to access such content and impose harsh penalties for advertising on sites without real age verification and the numbers will drop while allowing those who do decide to have a legally protected avenue.

By 21 people likely will be finishing college or doing a different job and will be less inclined. Also customers will likely flock to the younger European sex workers further hindering the US sex industry.

I think you meant to post this in a different thread.

Thanks.

[Big Jim P]

I think you meant to post this in a different thread.

Thanks.

It was certainly unexpected.

[Thermodolia]

Or....you run as a democrat, get support through your policies, change the charters and constitutions to make voting proportional representation, then either start a new party or join a socialist and use your supporters to win the most seats.

Which isn't socialism. You do understand it's an actual full ideology and not just being slightly to the left on economics, right?

This isn't the 1800s violent revolutions don't work anymore.

The past few decades rather quickly disproves this.

Decades? A couple of weeks ago disproved it in Sri Lanka.

[Thomasi]

Which isn't socialism. You do understand it's an actual full ideology and not just being slightly to the left on economics, right?



The past few decades rather quickly disproves this.

Decades? A couple of weeks ago disproved it in Sri Lanka.

Semi-civil third world countries that are like a box of matches that can descend into civil chaos over the slightest economic downturn are not equal to first world countries that are industrialized and have been stable for hundreds of years. They are not going to fall to revolution because everyone has too much to lose starting a civil war and ruining their country the same way the countries of Europe were ruined in world war II.

[American Legionaries]

Decades? A couple of weeks ago disproved it in Sri Lanka.

Semi-civil third world countries that are like a box of matches that can descend into civil chaos over the slightest economic downturn are not equal to first world countries that are industrialized and have been stable for hundreds of years. They are not going to fall to revolution because everyone has too much to lose starting a civil war and ruining their country the same way the countries of Europe were ruined in world war II.

This is a condition that only exists so long as we still have too much to lose. Given how hell-bent you are on taking from people, Sri Lanka is a reasonable example.

[Saiwania]

It'd be a mistake to assume that the developed countries will remain safe from any and all civil disorder. Sri Lanka collapsed in part, because a government decision banned imports of chemical fertilizers and as a result- Sri Lanka's agriculture collapsed and food prices and other basic supplies became scarce or unaffordable, which led to mass riots that Sri Lanka's police/military couldn't handle.

With the right key shortages or hostile conditions, any society out there could collapse. The richer countries have reserves of money/assets and have options to avert disaster, but every place has a breaking point.

[Thomasi]

It'd be a mistake to assume that the developed countries will remain safe from any and all civil disorder. Sri Lanka collapsed in part, because a government decision banned imports of chemical fertilizers and as a result- Sri Lanka's agriculture collapsed and food prices and other basic supplies became scarce or unaffordable, which led to mass riots that Sri Lanka's police/military couldn't handle.

With the right key shortages or hostile conditions, any society out there could collapse. The richer countries have reserves of money/assets and have options to avert disaster, but every place has a breaking point.

Short of a literal dictatorship nowhere in North America or Europe is descending into revolution

You'd have to be okay with losing access to the Emergency services meaning that you could now die from an infected cut.

You'd have to be okay with losing access to grocery stores and going hungry.

You'd have to be okay with losing the infrastructure, want to walk everywhere good luck.

You'd have to be okay with losing your home, losing running water, electricity, heat....

You'd have to be okay with your kids not being able to go to school

You'd have to be okay with losing basic sanitation.

Like even people who are scholars of Marxism 99% of them would look at you crazy if you wanted a Russian revolution/civil war situation.

Capitalism in the US sucks, but the US after a civil war even if you won would suck a lot worse for a long time before being rebuild and now you'd have to put up with insurgencies because your government wouldn't be seen as legit.

[Washington Resistance Army]

It'd be a mistake to assume that the developed countries will remain safe from any and all civil disorder. Sri Lanka collapsed in part, because a government decision banned imports of chemical fertilizers and as a result- Sri Lanka's agriculture collapsed and food prices and other basic supplies became scarce or unaffordable, which led to mass riots that Sri Lanka's police/military couldn't handle.

With the right key shortages or hostile conditions, any society out there could collapse. The richer countries have reserves of money/assets and have options to avert disaster, but every place has a breaking point.

Short of a literal dictatorship nowhere in North America or Europe is descending into revolution

You'd have to be okay with losing access to the Emergency services meaning that you could now die from an infected cut.

You'd have to be okay with losing access to grocery stores and going hungry.

You'd have to be okay with losing the infrastructure, want to walk everywhere good luck.

You'd have to be okay with losing your home, losing running water, electricity, heat....

You'd have to be okay with your kids not being able to go to school

You'd have to be okay with losing basic sanitation.

Like even people who are scholars of Marxism 99% of them would look at you crazy if you wanted a Russian revolution/civil war situation.

Capitalism in the US sucks, but the US after a civil war even if you won would suck a lot worse for a long time before being rebuild and now you'd have to put up with insurgencies because your government wouldn't be seen as legit.

A number of these things are already going to happen regardless because of climate change. It's only a matter of time until several places in the west no longer have running water, it's already happening in Mexico. It's a matter of when, not if, things get worse in the US and it gets more violent.

[Saiwania]

A number of these things are already going to happen regardless because of climate change. It's only a matter of time until several places in the west no longer have running water, it's already happening in Mexico. It's a matter of when, not if, things get worse in the US and it gets more violent.

And if anarchy has truly set in, where will the masses' rage be directed towards? I suspect that a lot of oil companies will be bombed/targeted, with a lot of oil executives and CEOs, climate denialists, fossil fuel backed politicians and the like, winding up dead. There will be no stop to revenge scores being settled or attempted if enough destabilization/chaos sets in over a ruined world.

There will unfortunately, be an age of eco-terrorism and fanaticism the hotter the world gets and the more desperate/angry people get in response.

[Grinning Dragon]

So the dscc cunts are whining like they have sand in their vaginas because hulu won't run their ads of anti gun bullshit and lies
Hulu blasted for refusing to run gun control ads

Three Democratic Party committees on Monday protested the refusal of the streaming service Hulu to run several campaign ads denouncing Republican policies ahead of the 2022 midterm elections, with the Disney-owned company saying the content of the ads was too “sensitive” and “controversial.”

As The Washington Post reported, the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC), the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), and the Democratic Governors Association (DGA) made attempted ad buys with the streaming service on July 15 for ads regarding gun control policy and abortion rights.

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The ad focusing on gun control included statistics on gun violence and said, “Republicans are more devoted to the gun lobby than taking common-sense action to make our kids safe.”

The DSCC accused Hulu of imposing “shady” ad policies, which vaguely bar ads including “controversial” content.

Hulu told the committees after delaying the airing of the ads that there were “content related” issues, but did not explain the ultimate decision not to run them.

“Americans deserve to know the truth about these issues, and Hulu has no right to block it,” tweeted the DSCC Monday as it shared the ads on social media.

Hulu has no right to block it? Of course they do you dumb fucking vaginal blood clots.
No problems with fascistbook, or twatter, etc., shit canning progun stuff, it's all sunshine and rainbows, but block made up "gun facts" to push an anti gun narrative, that's a bridge too far.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Socialism can't come to exist via the ballot box or legislation. The purpose of organizing a party and running candidates is to amplify socialist messages and further lay the groundwork and conditions for revolution against the currently existing state.

Or....you run as a democrat, get support through your policies, change the charters and constitutions to make voting proportional representation, then either start a new party or join a socialist and use your supporters to win the most seats.

This isn't the 1800s violent revolutions don't work anymore.

I think what Thomasi is saying is he wants to become the lit match that sets off the powder-keg of civil war 2 by getting elected by claiming to be of one party, and then becoming universally deplorable once in office.

[Grinning Dragon]

ATF Caught Red Handed Illegally Copying FFL Information
And using her unsecured personal phone to illegally take pictures of the log book.

The video took place at Black Metal Firearms, LLC, located in Mesa, MZ. Black Metal Firearms is a federal firearms licensed (FFL) dealer and manufacturer known for its AR-15 platform rifles. The issue at hand was a disagreement on how a variance for the AR-15 receivers used to build the rifles was entered into the Acquisitions and Disposition (A&D) logbook. AmmoLand News is withholding the exact nature of the violation so as not to affect the firearms manufacturer negatively, but looking over the internal IOI handbook obtained by AmmoLand News last May from a source at the Bureau appears to show that the IOI is wrong about the supposed violation.

According to the ATF’s own rules as laid out in documents provided to AmmoLand news by Gun Owners of America (GOA) through a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request, IOIs are only allowed to photocopy ATF 4473 or other documents to log violations. Those copies must be treated as “evidence.” The ATF’s own rules strictly prohibit the mass copying of 4473 forms or any other documents. In the video, the ATF employee can be seen photographing the entire A&D logbook instead of just the relative sections. The surrendering of documents is also supposed to be voluntary by the FFL. AmmoLand News does not believe that Black Metal Firearms consented to have their records copied. The unidentified IOI in the video appears to be violating those rules....

ATF agent, nazi brownshirt all the same thing here, once a nazi org always a nazi org.

[Thomasi]

ATF Caught Red Handed Illegally Copying FFL Information
And using her unsecured personal phone to illegally take pictures of the log book.

The video took place at Black Metal Firearms, LLC, located in Mesa, MZ. Black Metal Firearms is a federal firearms licensed (FFL) dealer and manufacturer known for its AR-15 platform rifles. The issue at hand was a disagreement on how a variance for the AR-15 receivers used to build the rifles was entered into the Acquisitions and Disposition (A&D) logbook. AmmoLand News is withholding the exact nature of the violation so as not to affect the firearms manufacturer negatively, but looking over the internal IOI handbook obtained by AmmoLand News last May from a source at the Bureau appears to show that the IOI is wrong about the supposed violation.

According to the ATF’s own rules as laid out in documents provided to AmmoLand news by Gun Owners of America (GOA) through a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request, IOIs are only allowed to photocopy ATF 4473 or other documents to log violations. Those copies must be treated as “evidence.” The ATF’s own rules strictly prohibit the mass copying of 4473 forms or any other documents. In the video, the ATF employee can be seen photographing the entire A&D logbook instead of just the relative sections. The surrendering of documents is also supposed to be voluntary by the FFL. AmmoLand News does not believe that Black Metal Firearms consented to have their records copied. The unidentified IOI in the video appears to be violating those rules....

ATF agent, nazi brownshirt all the same thing here, once a nazi org always a nazi org.

I endorse them illegally making digital records of firearms purchases and illegally uploading all the paper records. Its a case of the law is outdated so it doesn't apply.

[Haganham]

ATF is a criminal racket and it needs to be dissolved and it and it's employees subject to civil asset forfeiture.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

ATF Caught Red Handed Illegally Copying FFL Information
And using her unsecured personal phone to illegally take pictures of the log book.

ATF agent, nazi brownshirt all the same thing here, once a nazi org always a nazi org.

I endorse them illegally making digital records of firearms purchases and illegally uploading all the paper records. Its a case of the law is outdated so it doesn't apply.

You seem to endorse a lot of crimes committed under the color of law.

[American Legionaries]

ATF Caught Red Handed Illegally Copying FFL Information
And using her unsecured personal phone to illegally take pictures of the log book.

ATF agent, nazi brownshirt all the same thing here, once a nazi org always a nazi org.

I endorse them illegally making digital records of firearms purchases and illegally uploading all the paper records. Its a case of the law is outdated so it doesn't apply.

Hey guys, the wannabe cop says cops should commit crimes, what a surprise.

[The Two Jerseys]

ATF Caught Red Handed Illegally Copying FFL Information
And using her unsecured personal phone to illegally take pictures of the log book.

ATF agent, nazi brownshirt all the same thing here, once a nazi org always a nazi org.

I endorse them illegally making digital records of firearms purchases and illegally uploading all the paper records. Its a case of the law is outdated so it doesn't apply.

3D printers make gun control laws outdated.

Which means you're okay with us having machine guns.