Gun Control 2022 (IV) - Gun Rights, Control, & Government

[The Two Jerseys]

Not if they allege the arguments caused the shooter to target that model and not something else.

But yeah, its a really, really far fetched idea. This is some Palsgraf level of But For.

I saw the advertising that the plaintiffs are alleging caused the shooting. It doesn't make sense, unless his mother (the one that purchased the rifle, and who owned it) was secretly a man wanting to have her man card re-issued.

It's like saying that if I steal an F-150 and start ramming into things, it's Ford's fault because Sam Elliott told the owner to buy a Built Ford Tough truck to do trucklike truck stuff of best in class trucky military-grade truckiness.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

The thing is, the shooter didn't buy it, his mother did. He stole it from her and murdered her. So the claim that Remington's marketing is why the shooter chose that weapon makes no sense.

Not if they allege the arguments caused the shooter to target that model and not something else.

But yeah, its a really, really far fetched idea. This is some Palsgraf level of But For.

He targeted that model because it's the one that was in his mother's gun-cabinet and he knew how to pick the lock.

[Diopolis]

Not if they allege the arguments caused the shooter to target that model and not something else.

But yeah, its a really, really far fetched idea. This is some Palsgraf level of But For.

I saw the advertising that the plaintiffs are alleging caused the shooting. It doesn't make sense, unless his mother (the one that purchased the rifle, and who owned it) was secretly a man wanting to have her man card re-issued.

His mother was trans and society’s lack of acceptance caused the mass shooting.

[Loben The 2nd]

Right? He may be a whackjob socialist who doesn't understand economics, but he's always been pro-gun.

Bernie Sanders:

• Already publicly said he supports a buy-back at the clown debates.
• voted against CCW reciprocity, to make sure if you cross a state line with a legally owned and licensed gun your life is ruined with a criminal conviction and you're sent to prison so your family can go homeless without their head of household, more than once.
• Voiced his support for New Zealand banning all semi-automatic weapons.
• Lied about the existence of a "gun show loophole".
• Said we need to ban "assault weapons" (black rifles).
• Said he would ban "high-capacity magazines".
• Praised Moms Demand Action and Everytown.
• Supported illegal red flag law proposals to terrorize and kill gun owners with no due process.

He's a million miles away from anything that could even be mistaken for being moderate. Suggesting he's pro-gun is fucking laughable. He is a fanatical anti-gun extremist.

So he’s no different from others in his party.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Bernie Calls mandatory buybacks unconstitutional.

He's on the right track.

[Asle Leopolka]

Not if they allege the arguments caused the shooter to target that model and not something else.

But yeah, its a really, really far fetched idea. This is some Palsgraf level of But For.

He targeted that model because it's the one that was in his mother's gun-cabinet and he knew how to pick the lock.

This is Connecticut, though.

[Grinning Dragon]

Not if they allege the arguments caused the shooter to target that model and not something else.

But yeah, its a really, really far fetched idea. This is some Palsgraf level of But For.

I saw the advertising that the plaintiffs are alleging caused the shooting. It doesn't make sense, unless his mother (the one that purchased the rifle, and who owned it) was secretly a man wanting to have her man card re-issued.

What proof do they have that loony toon was influenced by said advertisement? I highly doubt he was interested in firearm ads.
This is nothing more than an attempt to shift blame and punish a firearm manufacturer for daring to make firearms and to further criminalize firearm ownership.

[Asle Leopolka]

I saw the advertising that the plaintiffs are alleging caused the shooting. It doesn't make sense, unless his mother (the one that purchased the rifle, and who owned it) was secretly a man wanting to have her man card re-issued.

What proof do they have that loony toon was influenced by said advertisement? I highly doubt he was interested in firearm ads.
This is nothing more than an attempt to shift blame and punish a firearm manufacturer for daring to make firearms and to further criminalize firearm ownership.

That whackjob was obsessed with Columbine and other mass murders, something the police and FBI concluded almost immediately. I also doubt Remington or Bushmaster's ads had anything to do with it, but of course the lawyers saw an opportunity and pounced. And again, this is Connecticut we're talking about.

[Grinning Dragon]

Pretty good read, and I am of the same thought of the USSC refusing cert.
Why the Remington Case Cert Denial Matters More Than You Think

....As bad as that sounds, it is actually worse than you might think, unless you follow court cases like some folks follow the NFL. I mentioned the Court’s inaction on bump stocks above, not simply because it illustrated the lack of faith on the Second Amendment, but because of another lawsuit.

The parents of a Mandalay Bay victim are also challenging the PLCAA, in Nevada court. Now that SCOTUS has discarded the law, we have a real problem.

Those parents are not alleging anything as silly as “negligent marketing.” They have noted that PLCAA protections do not apply if the firearm company has broken the law. They are claiming that, since the Trump administration determined that bump stocks are machineguns, then all semi-automatic rifles are “easily converted” to machineguns just by changing out the stock.

That makes them machineguns even without the actual bump stock, under ATF interpretation. Therefore, semi-automatic rifle companies are unlawfully manufacturing machineguns for civilians. And that loses them PLCAA immunity. Allegedly.

We now have a Supreme Court that has allowed that bump stocks are machineguns subject to the National Firearms Act. That Court has also effectively killed the PLCAA.

Combine the two and look at the Nevada challenge. We have a semi-auto problem.

[Telconi]

Bernie Calls mandatory buybacks unconstitutional.

He's on the right track.

Being slightly more moderate than the most extreme on one position hardly makes someone "on the right track".

[Kernen]

Not if they allege the arguments caused the shooter to target that model and not something else.

But yeah, its a really, really far fetched idea. This is some Palsgraf level of But For.

He targeted that model because it's the one that was in his mother's gun-cabinet and he knew how to pick the lock.

You and I both know it takes no actual effort to spin the alternative theory.

[Rojava Free State]

He's on the right track.

Being slightly more moderate than the most extreme on one position hardly makes someone "on the right track".

Bernie's heart is in the right place even if his ideas aren't.
He's better than hillary

[Grinning Dragon]

Being slightly more moderate than the most extreme on one position hardly makes someone "on the right track".

Bernie's heart is in the right place even if his ideas aren't.
He's better than hillary

Unorganized grabastic pieces of amphibian shit is better than hillary.

[Chernoslavia]

I saw the advertising that the plaintiffs are alleging caused the shooting. It doesn't make sense, unless his mother (the one that purchased the rifle, and who owned it) was secretly a man wanting to have her man card re-issued.

What proof do they have that loony toon was influenced by said advertisement? I highly doubt he was interested in firearm ads.
This is nothing more than an attempt to shift blame and punish a firearm manufacturer for daring to make firearms and to further criminalize firearm ownership.

I guess Home Depot is going to go out of business in the state with all the lawsuits from people who've been attacked by hammer wielding crooks. Ow wait...somehow only incidents involving black rifles matter.

[Kernen]

What proof do they have that loony toon was influenced by said advertisement? I highly doubt he was interested in firearm ads.
This is nothing more than an attempt to shift blame and punish a firearm manufacturer for daring to make firearms and to further criminalize firearm ownership.

I guess Home Depot is going to go out of business in the state with all the lawsuits from people who've been attacked by hammer wielding crooks. Ow wait...somehow only incidents involving black rifles matter.

Only if they're advertising the hammers as highly effective weapons.

[Grinning Dragon]

What proof do they have that loony toon was influenced by said advertisement? I highly doubt he was interested in firearm ads.
This is nothing more than an attempt to shift blame and punish a firearm manufacturer for daring to make firearms and to further criminalize firearm ownership.

I guess Home Depot is going to go out of business in the state with all the lawsuits from people who've been attacked by hammer wielding crooks. Ow wait...somehow only incidents involving black rifles matter.

Just about any company could get sued into the ground using this tactic, advertisements in whole are fluff/embellishments of a product being sold, but you are right, considering it involves a rifle that looks evil forgetting the fact it functions the same exact way as any other semi auto firearm seems to not matter. Feelings good, facts and logic bad. What a way to live one's life, fueled by feelings. Yuck!

[Kernen]

I guess Home Depot is going to go out of business in the state with all the lawsuits from people who've been attacked by hammer wielding crooks. Ow wait...somehow only incidents involving black rifles matter.

Just about any company could get sued into the ground using this tactic, advertisements in whole are fluff/embellishments of a product being sold, but you are right, considering it involves a rifle that looks evil forgetting the fact it functions the same exact way as any other semi auto firearm seems to not matter. Feelings good, facts and logic bad. What a way to live one's life, fueled by feelings. Yuck!

I suspect that Remington will probably succeed before this hits a jury because those cases aren't nearly as easy to win. This is a tenuous argument, unlike, say, failure to warn of the danger of a running weed-whacker.

[Grinning Dragon]

Just about any company could get sued into the ground using this tactic, advertisements in whole are fluff/embellishments of a product being sold, but you are right, considering it involves a rifle that looks evil forgetting the fact it functions the same exact way as any other semi auto firearm seems to not matter. Feelings good, facts and logic bad. What a way to live one's life, fueled by feelings. Yuck!

I suspect that Remington will probably succeed before this hits a jury because those cases aren't nearly as easy to win. This is a tenuous argument, unlike, say, failure to warn of the danger of a running weed-whacker.

I agree this will be an uphill battle.
A co-worker and I were discussing this earlier today, were wondering on the idea of Remington throwing them some hush money and sign a NDA. The idea came from a family member of his that is a lawyer and how this family member could foresee as one possibility to save the cost on going to trial and possible reputational damage.

[Chernoslavia]

I guess Home Depot is going to go out of business in the state with all the lawsuits from people who've been attacked by hammer wielding crooks. Ow wait...somehow only incidents involving black rifles matter.

Only if they're advertising the hammers as highly effective weapons.

Maybe if they advertise them as say...being able to break through cinderblocks with ease and some nut then uses one to break someone's skull?

[Kernen]

I suspect that Remington will probably succeed before this hits a jury because those cases aren't nearly as easy to win. This is a tenuous argument, unlike, say, failure to warn of the danger of a running weed-whacker.

I agree this will be an uphill battle.
A co-worker and I were discussing this earlier today, were wondering on the idea of Remington throwing them some hush money and sign a NDA. The idea came from a family member of his that is a lawyer and how this family member could foresee as one possibility to save the cost on going to trial and possible reputational damage.

Sounds like SOP for a settlement for a high profile case. But if the families aren't motivated by financial compensation, there's not a good chance they'll accept the deal.

[Kernen]

Only if they're advertising the hammers as highly effective weapons.

Maybe if they advertise them as say...being able to break through cinderblocks with ease and some nut then uses one to break someone's skull?

Probably not. You'd need to show some kind of a foreseeable risk of danger to a consumer or those near them when using it for its intended purpose. If it was, say, a rocket-powered hammer, then maybe?

[Grinning Dragon]

I agree this will be an uphill battle.
A co-worker and I were discussing this earlier today, were wondering on the idea of Remington throwing them some hush money and sign a NDA. The idea came from a family member of his that is a lawyer and how this family member could foresee as one possibility to save the cost on going to trial and possible reputational damage.

Sounds like SOP for a settlement for a high profile case. But if the families aren't motivated by financial compensation, there's not a good chance they'll accept the deal.

Good point.

[Genivaria]

Just had it brought up from an episode of House, are Hollow Point bullets generally illegal for civilians in the US other than hunting game?

[The Two Jerseys]

Just had it brought up from an episode of House, are Hollow Point bullets generally illegal for civilians in the US other than hunting game?

Only in backwards places like the Democratic People's Socialist Republic of New Jermany.

[Telconi]

I guess Home Depot is going to go out of business in the state with all the lawsuits from people who've been attacked by hammer wielding crooks. Ow wait...somehow only incidents involving black rifles matter.

Only if they're advertising the hammers as highly effective weapons.

What if they advertise it as a highly effective hammer?