Gun Control 2022 (IV) - Gun Rights, Control, & Government

[Kernen]

The pipes themselves are state owned for such utilities

Not in all cases. And yes, the company is allowing for you to dump your sewage in their truck, plant, etc. to use their private property.
It's really up to the municipal government to decide of they want to serve you or not and you're still going to pay for contructing the public lines anyway.

For the trucks rather than in ground pipes, yes. The utility company is required to contract with you only insofar as the government requires it, yes. But for that, they have no obligation to pump your shit.

Twitter isn't a utility. Ergo they can run their program like Max can run Nationstates.

[Miku the Based]

Twitter isn't a utility. Ergo they can run their program like Max can run Nationstates.

For social Media, the US really do need a public utility owned and run by the government so that laws and the consitution applies.
Edit: Okay, I'll stop getting off topic.

[Kernen]

Twitter isn't a utility. Ergo they can run their program like Max can run Nationstates.

For social Media, the US really do need a public utility owned and run by the government so that laws and the consitution applies.

State run media sounds like an idea without any possible downsides.

It also doesn't sound relevant to gun control.

[Grinning Dragon]

Was the Boulder Shooting the Result of Yet Another FBI Screw-Up?

The Federal Bureau of Investigation hasn’t exactly showered itself in glory over the years as subsequent investigations revealed that a wide range of mass shooters had been previously known to the federal law enforcement agency. Some of the shooters even had significant criminal records, but were given a pass anyway when the FBI performed NICS background checks as they were buying the firearms they later used to murder innocents.

A short list of killers who were either already on the FBI’s radar or passed a federal background check when they shouldn’t includes such illustrious names as Nidal Hassan, Omar Mateen, Elton Simpson, Nikolas Cruz, Devin Patrick Kelley and Dylann Roof.

Now it’s looking like Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa, the Syrian national who allegedly shot up a Boulder, Colorado grocery store murdering 10 people, may join the pantheon of Fibbie fowl-ups.

Like so many mass shooters before him, Alissa was, according to the New York Times, previously know to the FBI as part of an investigation they ran into another individual.

Alissa reportedly purchased the AR platform firearm he used only six days before the shooting. It isn’t yet known where Alissa purchased the firearm, but Colorado has a “universal” background check law, so any seller would have been required to run a background check on him.

Alissa had been convicted of misdemeanor assault in 2017, although that wouldn’t have prevented him from passing a NICS check.

Universal background checks aren’t the only “enhanced” gun control measure in effect in Colorado. In fact, the state has many of the kind of “gun safety” laws on the books that the Civilian Disarmament Industrial Complex says America needs nationwide.

In addition to those “universal” background checks, Colorado also has a “red flag” law, a “high capacity” magazine ban, and while the Boulder “assault weapons” ban had recently been struck down, Kroger — which owns the King Sooper chain — bans the open carry of firearms in their stores.

None of that, however, seemed to make any impression on Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa. Despite what his family describes as a history of violence and mental illness and a criminal record, Alissa brazenly and openly carried a couple of guns inside that supermarket on Monday and opened fire…against the express wishes of the store’s owner.

It’s almost as if all the big federal law enforcement and legal infringements on law-abiding gun ownership in the world don’t really have any effect at all on criminals who are bent on committing mass murder.

[Punished UMN]

Maybe his stupid ass should have followed the rules lol

What rules on their site did he clearly violate? Does Twitter's TOS state "You may not be the president of the United States and state your views to a mob outside the U.S. Capitol"? Besides, a lot of times accounts are not straight-up permabanned on social media, they get a warning or a temporary ban. Even the poster child elderly man of the left Bernie Sanders didn't even feel comfortable with such an outrageous move...

Believe it or not, the president doesn't have an unlimited right to use somebody else's property or ignore their rules. The president is not royalty.

Ah yes, this argument. What if they banned a politician you liked? What if they banned your favorite artist? What if they banned YOU? Why do social media and tech giants who control the majority of our access to the internet and information get to determine who speaks and who does not?!

I would shrug my shoulders and play video games like I have all the other times I've gotten a ban.

[Washington Resistance Army]

What rules on their site did he clearly violate? Does Twitter's TOS state "You may not be the president of the United States and state your views to a mob outside the U.S. Capitol"? Besides, a lot of times accounts are not straight-up permabanned on social media, they get a warning or a temporary ban. Even the poster child elderly man of the left Bernie Sanders didn't even feel comfortable with such an outrageous move...




Ah yes, this argument. What if they banned a politician you liked? What if they banned your favorite artist? What if they banned YOU? Why do social media and tech giants who control the majority of our access to the internet and information get to determine who speaks and who does not?!

I would shrug my shoulders and play video games like I have all the other times I've gotten a ban.

Right lol. Like, if I get banned from somewhere I'm just gonna go do something else.

[Punished UMN]

I would shrug my shoulders and play video games like I have all the other times I've gotten a ban.

Right lol. Like, if I get banned from somewhere I'm just gonna go do something else.

I love when people are like "first they post-blocked the President, but I was not the president, so I said nothing" like lmfao, the motherfucker's still a multi-billionaire who lives in a mansion in Florida and has millions of devoted followers. It's not like Zuck and Twitter put him in Belsen lmao.

[Tarsonis]

Right lol. Like, if I get banned from somewhere I'm just gonna go do something else.

I love when people are like "first they post-blocked the President, but I was not the president, so I said nothing" like lmfao, the motherfucker's still a multi-billionaire who lives in a mansion in Florida and has millions of devoted followers. It's not like Zuck and Twitter put him in Belsen lmao.

Trump could start his own Trump branded social media platform if he really wanted.

[The Two Jerseys]

Sees the poll responses

"This... does put a smile on my face."



Howdy there! I have something to remind you about. Remember how social media collectively banned and silenced the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES? Yeah. I'll believe what you just said when I see it with my own eyes.

Maybe his stupid ass should have followed the rules lol

Which rule is in force this week?

Just look at Brandon Herrera, a human YouTube reviewer decided when it was uploaded that the German MGs of WW2 video was in compliance with the rules, then 9 months later some other shitbrick comes along and gives him a strike for no good reason.

[Kowani]

I love when people are like "first they post-blocked the President, but I was not the president, so I said nothing" like lmfao, the motherfucker's still a multi-billionaire who lives in a mansion in Florida and has millions of devoted followers. It's not like Zuck and Twitter put him in Belsen lmao.

Trump could start his own Trump branded social media platform if he really wanted.

That is, ironically, a plan that is still in the works at mar-a-lago

[The Chuck]

Sees the poll responses

"This... does put a smile on my face."

Nobody is trying to shut you down or silence you. Nobody is invading.

Howdy there! I have something to remind you about. Remember how social media collectively banned and silenced the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES? Yeah. I'll believe what you just said when I see it with my own eyes.

Hey J o J. This is for the gun control discussion and not the "Private Property being Private" discussion thread. Take it elsewhere if it doesn't pertain directly to the overarching issue of gun control please.

[Kowani]

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) doesn't support the House's background check bill

Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., told reporters Tuesday that he opposes the House legislation on background checks. [...]
Manchin said he opposes the House legislation, which would apply more broadly to gun sales and transfers in requiring background checks than the Manchin and Toomey proposals of the past. He did not say whether he would restart negotiations, only that “we’re going to try to do the responsible, reasonable thing.”

[Crockerland]

Or maybe social media should worry more about the actual rules violators on their sites, or worry about big daddy government coming round to break up the monopolistic overlords in Silicon Valley.

"monopolistic overlords" is a contradiction. Neither Google, Twitter, nor Facebook have a monopoly. Just because you personally dislike the major social media websites doesn't mean that they combine into an amalgamate entity capable of holding a monopoly over a market.

[Kowani]

Also, the 9th Circuit Court has just ruled that there is no right to carry in public

full ruling here (it's 215 pages, have fun)

[Grinning Dragon]

Also, the 9th Circuit Court has just ruled that there is no right to carry in public

full ruling here (it's 215 pages, have fun)

Eh, it's the 9th circus, the most over turned court in the country. Guess they missed the part that says "Keep and Bear"

[The Two Jerseys]

Also, the 9th Circuit Court has just ruled that there is no right to carry in public

full ruling here (it's 215 pages, have fun)

Release the Clarence!

[Grinning Dragon]

Also, the 9th Circuit Court has just ruled that there is no right to carry in public

full ruling here (it's 215 pages, have fun)

Release the Clarence!

It would be best from here on out for the Clarence to issue USSC rulings.

The ruling basically upholds Ha-what-what's ban on open carry, a law that was put into place back in 1852, 150yrs(circa) before it became a state.

[The Two Jerseys]

Release the Clarence!

It would be best from here on out for the Clarence to issue USSC rulings.

The ruling basically upholds Ha-what-what's ban on open carry, a law that was put into place back in 1852, 150yrs(circa) before it became a state.

I guess we'd better start redrawing state borders then, since royal charters are apparently still in force...

[Pax Nerdvana]

It would be best from here on out for the Clarence to issue USSC rulings.

The ruling basically upholds Ha-what-what's ban on open carry, a law that was put into place back in 1852, 150yrs(circa) before it became a state.

I guess we'd better start redrawing state borders then, since royal charters are apparently still in force...

And maybe we should start referring to the federal as the Crown...

[Paddy O Fernature]

I guess we'd better start redrawing state borders then, since royal charters are apparently still in force...

And maybe we should start referring to the federal as the Crown...

Is it just me, or is that once mighty tree standing over there seem a little parched to anyone else?

[The Two Jerseys]

I was reading a comment board earlier where someone was steadfastly claiming that Democrats believe in facts and Republicans don't.

If that's the case, then why do Democrats ignore all the facts about guns?

[Genivaria]

I was reading a comment board earlier where someone was steadfastly claiming that Democrats believe in facts and Republicans don't.

If that's the case, then why do Democrats ignore all the facts about guns?

It's one of their major blindspots yes, that and nuclear power.

[Grinning Dragon]

I was reading a comment board earlier where someone was steadfastly claiming that Democrats believe in facts and Republicans don't.

If that's the case, then why do Democrats ignore all the facts about guns?

Well it should be painfully obvious by now that dems/rinos have moved beyond any sort of the notion of safety and is going straight for the throat in wresting control from the people.

[Crockerland]

I was reading a comment board earlier where someone was steadfastly claiming that Democrats believe in facts and Republicans don't.

I wonder how many genders this person thinks there are.

If that's the case, then why do Democrats ignore all the facts about guns?

They're not ignoring all the facts, there is one fact they pay very close attention to: The fact that fearmongering is a good way to accumulate votes and donations from people who know literally nothing about the topic being fearmongered about.

[Grinning Dragon]

And so it begins...
Sixth Circuit Court Rules Bump Stocks Are Not Machine Guns

The panel of judges from the Sixth Circuit Court sent the case back to the District Court to decide how widespread any injunction against the ban should be, but since different circuits have different rulings on the subjects any injunction will only be for Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio, and Tennessee.

The Sixth Circuit Court denied the ATF Chevron deference. Chevron deference defers to a federal agency’s interpretation of an ambiguous or unclear statute. The government argued that since the regulation wasn’t clear, the ATF could determine what is and isn’t a machine gun.

The Sixth Circuit Court ruled, “Chevron deference does not apply to agency interpretation of criminal statute thus the court does not need to decide whether agency can waive Chevron deference, therefore, the court must determine BEST MEANING of the statute”

The government could file for an en banc review of the case, or the government could appeal to the Supreme Court of the United States of America. An en banc review means every Sixth Circuit judge will get a say in the case. This victory is the first victory that gun rights advocates had in defending bump stocks.

Chevron deference needs to be struck down and banned, full stop.