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Your thoughts on pistol braces? (See top of OP for information)

Ban modern sporting rifles
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Pistol braces should be outlawed and current restrictions on SBRs remain in place
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Pistol braces should be outlawed but current restrictions on SBRs should be removed
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Pistol braces should be allowed and current restrictions on SBRs should remain
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Pistol braces should be allowed but current restrictions on SBRs should be removed
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Postby Nevertopia » Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:37 pm

All for banning pistol braces and keeping current rifle restrictions. Its the common sense thing to do.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:07 pm

Nevertopia wrote:All for banning pistol braces and keeping current rifle restrictions. Its the common sense thing to do.

Absolutely NO reason to ban pistol braces, many disabled people depend on pistol braces.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:12 pm

Well looks like Louisiana is gonna jump on the Constitutional Carry bandwagon.
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Seems the proposed law would just remove the requirements to conceal carry, since there are no requirements to open carry.
Seeing as how repubs hold majorities in both houses would be enough to be override a veto, however gov. bell did sign 3 pro firearm bills into law last year and would most likely sign this bill into law.

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Postby Great Pacific Switzerland » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:32 am

Nevertopia wrote:All for banning pistol braces and keeping current rifle restrictions. Its the common sense thing to do.

At this point you are either an ignorant neo-lib who supports biden or a troll
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Postby Adamede » Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:04 am

Nevertopia wrote:All for banning pistol braces and keeping current rifle restrictions. Its the common sense thing to do.

What about it is common sense?

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:06 am

Adamede wrote:
Nevertopia wrote:All for banning pistol braces and keeping current rifle restrictions. Its the common sense thing to do.

What about it is common sense?


Nothing, which is even more proof that common sense really isn't anymore among an ever growing population.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:58 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Adamede wrote:What about it is common sense?


Nothing, which is even more proof that common sense really isn't anymore among an ever growing population.


Common sense "gun control" -n:
The act of embracing emotion and ignorance over logic and fact to restrict the use or sale of a particular firearm or a group of firearms.

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Postby The Chuck » Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:02 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Nothing, which is even more proof that common sense really isn't anymore among an ever growing population.


Common sense "gun control" -n:
The act of embracing emotion and ignorance over logic and fact to restrict the use or sale of a particular firearm or a group of firearms.


"Common sense gun control" is only common sense for those who repeatedly screw over the citizens they are supposed to represent. Considering Nevertopia's posting style regarding stuff like this, I have them pinned as being either ignorant of firearms related issues or out to rile up others with hit and run posts. However if they want to prove me wrong than they can continue to engage and offer their thoughts in more detail with backing evidence.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:21 am

The Chuck wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Common sense "gun control" -n:
The act of embracing emotion and ignorance over logic and fact to restrict the use or sale of a particular firearm or a group of firearms.


"Common sense gun control" is only common sense for those who repeatedly screw over the citizens they are supposed to represent. Considering Nevertopia's posting style regarding stuff like this, I have them pinned as being either ignorant of firearms related issues or out to rile up others with hit and run posts. However if they want to prove me wrong than they can continue to engage and offer their thoughts in more detail with backing evidence.


Well gcf, figured out later on that changing the title to "common sense" from "ban x" was more palpable to the masses and to keep their guys in office by campaigning on "common sense gun control" when their end goal is still the same, the complete banning of firearms and as Jurist Clarence Thomas opined, relegate the 2nd Amendment as an unfavored right.
Nothing more than a PR phrase. As they say there is nothing common sense about common sense gun control laws.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:28 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
"Common sense gun control" is only common sense for those who repeatedly screw over the citizens they are supposed to represent. Considering Nevertopia's posting style regarding stuff like this, I have them pinned as being either ignorant of firearms related issues or out to rile up others with hit and run posts. However if they want to prove me wrong than they can continue to engage and offer their thoughts in more detail with backing evidence.


Well gcf, figured out later on that changing the title to "common sense" from "ban x" was more palpable to the masses and to keep their guys in office by campaigning on "common sense gun control" when their end goal is still the same, the complete banning of firearms and as Jurist Clarence Thomas opined, relegate the 2nd Amendment as an unfavored right.
Nothing more than a PR phrase. As they say there is nothing common sense about common sense gun control laws.

Maybe we can get Senate Minority Memelord Mike Lee to introduce a "Common Sense Drowning Prevention" bill requiring hospitals and nursing homes to have trained lifeguards present while patients receive a sponge bath...
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Postby Major-Tom » Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:54 pm

While I'm relieved this new gun control bill didn't explicitly call for a national registry, I wonder what the point of the House-led bill was if not just for theatrics. Expanding background checks is a fairly milquetoast and consensus-driven idea, but I feel like a lot of the individual provisions such as "we're going to increase the length of your background check" are just for political theater. I mean, in almost all cases, a background check can be accomplished in a much shorter time frame.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:02 pm

Major-Tom wrote:While I'm relieved this new gun control bill didn't explicitly call for a national registry, I wonder what the point of the House-led bill was if not just for theatrics. Expanding background checks is a fairly milquetoast and consensus-driven idea, but I feel like a lot of the individual provisions such as "we're going to increase the length of your background check" are just for political theater. I mean, in almost all cases, a background check can be accomplished in a much shorter time frame.


There are those false positives or where the fbi gets confused on who they are conducting a check on and places a hold. The 3day hold was a compromise back in the day to advance the bill. If only they would have held strong back then the bill may never had become law. This latest is just another attempt at denying someone, because 'gunz' bad.

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Postby The Lone Alliance » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:23 pm

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That won't happen lmao.

The majority of gun owners will silently give up their guns.

The ones who talk a big fucking game about "revolution" and "giving them a what's what" are the ones who'd be the first in line to give up their guns, talk is fucking cheap, but putting your nuts on the line is a whole other story.


There are plenty of people who would put their nuts on the line. I can't speak for the dude with a truck 5 sizes too large for the road but time and time again in history, there have been many a rebel.

There are plenty of people in the current era who are waiting to die, as long as it's for a cause worth dying for.

I mean hell there were thousands upon thousands of protesters in the streets last year protesting for all sorts of various causes where they was an actual RISK OF DEATH, if not by the police or other protesters then by the virus...
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:00 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:Gah, I’m so sick and tired of all of this unconstitutional nonsense. I wish there was something I could do about it.
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What’s BATFE gonna do about? Make a national hammer registry?

Gotta register those fully semi-automatic algorithm based banhammer apps the kids at Youtube use these days.

Since censorship of content to fit a financial bottom-line makes it a publisher and no longer a social-media platform.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:17 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:Gah, I’m so sick and tired of all of this unconstitutional nonsense. I wish there was something I could do about it.
What’s BATFE gonna do about? Make a national hammer registry?


Email and call your senators to oppose any and all gun control BS. My two senators have remained pretty solid in voting against gun control. Join the FPC or chip in a few bucks along with the GOA.

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Well I suppose when she's the crypt keepers' sister kinda makes her immortal and most likely has the backing of the chinese.

That would explain it.
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That won't happen lmao.

The majority of gun owners will silently give up their guns.

The ones who talk a big fucking game about "revolution" and "giving them a what's what" are the ones who'd be the first in line to give up their guns, talk is fucking cheap, but putting your nuts on the line is a whole other story.


I assume you've never heard of Lbry, a 3D printer, and a bucket of salt solution... WRA and a few others probably knows exactly what I'm talking about.

Heck, you don’t even need a 3D printer. Just a hardware store and a certain book by Philip Luty.
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Pax Nerdvana wrote:Gah, I’m so sick and tired of all of this unconstitutional nonsense. I wish there was something I could do about it.
What’s BATFE gonna do about? Make a national hammer registry?

Gotta register those fully semi-automatic algorithm based banhammer apps the kids at Youtube use these days.

Since censorship of content to fit a financial bottom-line makes it a publisher and no longer a social-media platform.

Huh, I never thought about it that way before.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:03 am

GA Rep. Andrew Clyde: Eliminate All Firearm Taxes, Eliminate Background Checks :clap:
I approve of this, however given the current amount of shitbricks in congress who hate freedom, I wish him luck

“I really think the Brady background check system is looking at it backwards. We need to be looking at it from the point of the Second Amendment is an inalienable right. […] The onus needs to be on the government to prove that you don’t have that right anymore, not on you to prove that you do have it.”
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I've said the same thing since the day this shit became law back in the 90s.

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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:21 am

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Countries where knives are the most common weapon in crime, do speak of knife violence.

More than six times as many murders are committed with some kind of gun, in the US, than with a knife.

If it's meaningless to distinguish between methods, then henceforth "murder" means "murder with a gun" and "suicide" means "suicide by gun"

Even that's not as ridiculous as the quoted commentator deliberately parsing "gun violence" wrong, in a way that would make "gun sport" meaningless since it's the person sporting not the gun. It's a pathetic attempt to deny the really terrible role guns play in violent crime, which by the simplest of logic would not have been as violent in most cases if the perpetrator had not had a gun.


This isn't true, knives are used more than firearms in homicides, note not all homicides are unjustified or carry a murder charge at 28% whereas only 3% involving firearms for the same circumstance as per the FBI UCR


Believe it or not, the FBI is not a reliable source. Precincts around the country are under no obligation to report to the FBI so the ones with the most troubling numbers likely don't.

Or maybe you're trying to trick me with "used in homicides" not "used for homicides". I noticed before that many incidents had both kinds of weapon involved. Maybe you're comparing number of incidents with a knife involved, to number of incidents with only a gun involved? Something like that?

If you want to dismiss me with "Tubes is ignoring sources" then do it. We'll do dueling sources.


It all comes down to the person, the person committed the act, the firearm is just a tool, just as a knife, bat, hands, feet, etc.
Again, no such thing as "gun violence"


In that case, we have an irreconcilable difference of opinion. I'm happy to leave it and let the record show that you think the phrase "gun violence" has no meaning. Two words, each with a very clear meaning, can only be meaningless together if they are complete opposites. Guns are the opposite of violence? That's your opinion?
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:23 am

What exactly is the purpose and function of a pistol brace? What's it used for, and why is it currently under fire from the anti-gun crowd?
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:12 am

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:What exactly is the purpose and function of a pistol brace? What's it used for, and why is it currently under fire from the anti-gun crowd?

It's a stabilizing device that offers more stability for wounded and disabled veterans/people shooting AR pistols.
The reason it's under fire from antis is that it could be used to as a stock and make the AR pistol a SBR and the fact they even hate disabled people exercising their 2nd Amendment right.
The whole SBR regs are stupid, then again it's what happens when congress gets involved and the stupidity is allowed to run amok unchecked.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:56 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:What exactly is the purpose and function of a pistol brace? What's it used for, and why is it currently under fire from the anti-gun crowd?

It's a stabilizing device that offers more stability for wounded and disabled veterans/people shooting AR pistols.
The reason it's under fire from antis is that it could be used to as a stock and make the AR pistol a SBR and the fact they even hate disabled people exercising their 2nd Amendment right.
The whole SBR regs are stupid, then again it's what happens when congress gets involved and the stupidity is allowed to run amok unchecked.


C'mon GD lets be real, they might have been made for disabled people to shoot easier but that's not how 99% of people use them. Everyone just uses them to skirt NFA laws and have a totallynotSBR. There's no reason to be dishonest about that, it just further highlights how stupid the NFA is and why it's not a law worth keeping.
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Postby Polish Lithuanian State » Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:01 am

Its quite saddening that a bunch of idiots want to get rid of a right, perhaps if we got rid of Amendment 15 and Amendment 13 than they can see how damn easy it is to literally do that.

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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:02 pm

Polish Lithuanian State wrote:Its quite saddening that a bunch of idiots want to get rid of a right, perhaps if we got rid of Amendment 15 and Amendment 13 than they can see how damn easy it is to literally do that.

Well, if you take away the 2nd amendment from the black community and women, repealing those other two and a few others would be rather straightforwards.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:14 am

The NFA is beyond stupid. By putting a buttstock on a pistol, you’ve made an illegal SBR. It’s so frikkin’ dumb.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:45 am

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Polish Lithuanian State wrote:Its quite saddening that a bunch of idiots want to get rid of a right, perhaps if we got rid of Amendment 15 and Amendment 13 than they can see how damn easy it is to literally do that.

Well, if you take away the 2nd amendment from the black community and women, repealing those other two and a few others would be rather straightforwards.

To be honest I am quite surprised at many of my black co-workers who have either emailed me, sent text messages or came to me personally about these latest gun control bills, and have basically told me that's how they feel, not necessarily those two Amendments but others, perhaps sending them a link to Colion Noir's youtube page and a few other pro gun pages they see the light and seem quite pissed at the fact they are once again getting fucked over by the dems/rinos.
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Postby Miku the Based » Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:59 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:The NFA is beyond stupid. By putting a buttstock on a pistol, you’ve made an illegal SBR. It’s so frikkin’ dumb.

Yeah, that really grinds my gears. volkspistole 70 is a really neat firearm I wouldn't mind owning.

Edit: just looked up 13th admendment again, that admendment basically allowed slavery and indentured servitude to convicted criminals. The US still technically have slavery. Does one have to repeal the 13th admendment then add the no exceptions to a new admendment to get rid of that? Man, 13 is a bad luck number.
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