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Ban modern sporting rifles
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15%
Pistol braces should be outlawed and current restrictions on SBRs remain in place
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11%
Pistol braces should be outlawed but current restrictions on SBRs should be removed
30
4%
Pistol braces should be allowed and current restrictions on SBRs should remain
102
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Pistol braces should be allowed but current restrictions on SBRs should be removed
454
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:58 pm

Galloism wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Indeed. It's pathetic, really.

It’s ok. He now falls under the new category of multi-racial whiteness and multi-racial white supremacy.

I wonder how many times "Uncle Tom" was thrown around at the meeting where they came up with that one...
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sun Feb 28, 2021 1:55 pm

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Tickles me to no end. :lol:


Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't a media outlet try exactly this when he initially came on board with the NRA then had to backtrack once they actually saw who he is?

Yep, they did.

Then they called him a "racial traitor".
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:03 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Galloism wrote:It’s ok. He now falls under the new category of multi-racial whiteness and multi-racial white supremacy.

I wonder how many times "Uncle Tom" was thrown around at the meeting where they came up with that one...

And then they wonder why we find them to be arrogant douchebags.
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Postby Adamede » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:10 pm

Galloism wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Indeed. It's pathetic, really.

It’s ok. He now falls under the new category of multi-racial whiteness and multi-racial white supremacy.

Sounds like white supremacists are among the most diverse demographics in the country.

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Wed Mar 03, 2021 7:23 am

Adamede wrote:
Galloism wrote:It’s ok. He now falls under the new category of multi-racial whiteness and multi-racial white supremacy.

Sounds like white supremacists are among the most diverse demographics in the country.

And certainly a more diverse group then gun grabbers.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Mar 03, 2021 7:40 am

This whole "white supremacist" labeling is fucking stupid. Just a different take of labeling a group or person the govt/media doesn't like a "communist" bullshit back in the day.
The minute the label "white supremacist" is brought up, the argument is moot as they have nothing to argue.

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Postby National Capitalist United States » Wed Mar 03, 2021 7:53 am

Galloism wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Indeed. It's pathetic, really.

It’s ok. He now falls under the new category of multi-racial whiteness and multi-racial white supremacy.

The liberal media is now officially composed of morons pretending to be intelligent
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Postby The Chuck » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:10 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:This whole "white supremacist" labeling is fucking stupid. Just a different take of labeling a group or person the govt/media doesn't like a "communist" bullshit back in the day.
The minute the label "white supremacist" is brought up, the argument is moot as they have nothing to argue.


They say white supremacist, I say Roof Koreans, 1992 Los Angeles. They keep saying white supremacist, I say Black Panthers May 2, 1967. They continue to say white supremacist, I say January 18, 1958. Battle of Hayes Pond... And so on...
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:13 am

A new boogeyman has entered the stage. The FN Five-SeveN. Let's see how much traction this hand-wringing will get.
East Palo Alto Double Murder, Richmond Slaying Linked to Pistol Model That Alarms Authorities
The NBC Bay Area Investigative unit has learned that over the last year, more than a dozen crimes – including at least three homicides – have been tied to a high-powered handgun that authorities say has an especially lethal capability.

“When you get this type of a firearm, it really raises everybody’s antenna of concern and fear,” said San Mateo County District Attorney Steve Wagstaffe about the FN Five-seveN pistol, which can fire both conventional and illegal armor-piercing 5.7 mm rounds.

“It’s a scary thing,” the prosecutor said, “because it can go right through a protective vest of a law enforcement officer.”
That armor-piercing capability had gun control advocates pushing to ban the weapon more than a decade ago. While the FN Five-seveN is legal in California, its armor-piercing rounds are not for civilian purchase.


Is the "evil" AR15 about to get some competition? Will this new threat to the universe take the crown? Is it "MORE" deadlier than an anti matter explosion? Inquiring minds want to know just how far the media can make up bullshit and push this contender to the top spot.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:15 am

The Chuck wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:This whole "white supremacist" labeling is fucking stupid. Just a different take of labeling a group or person the govt/media doesn't like a "communist" bullshit back in the day.
The minute the label "white supremacist" is brought up, the argument is moot as they have nothing to argue.


They say white supremacist, I say Roof Koreans, 1992 Los Angeles. They keep saying white supremacist, I say Black Panthers May 2, 1967. They continue to say white supremacist, I say January 18, 1958. Battle of Hayes Pond... And so on...

Agreed.
For the most part I just chuckle at their "every thing is white supremacy" That militia group = white supremacists, standing up for enumerated rights = white supremacy, if everything is white supremacy then nothing is.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:16 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:A new boogeyman has entered the stage. The FN Five-SeveN. Let's see how much traction this hand-wringing will get.
East Palo Alto Double Murder, Richmond Slaying Linked to Pistol Model That Alarms Authorities
The NBC Bay Area Investigative unit has learned that over the last year, more than a dozen crimes – including at least three homicides – have been tied to a high-powered handgun that authorities say has an especially lethal capability.

“When you get this type of a firearm, it really raises everybody’s antenna of concern and fear,” said San Mateo County District Attorney Steve Wagstaffe about the FN Five-seveN pistol, which can fire both conventional and illegal armor-piercing 5.7 mm rounds.

“It’s a scary thing,” the prosecutor said, “because it can go right through a protective vest of a law enforcement officer.”
That armor-piercing capability had gun control advocates pushing to ban the weapon more than a decade ago. While the FN Five-seveN is legal in California, its armor-piercing rounds are not for civilian purchase.


Is the "evil" AR15 about to get some competition? Will this new threat to the universe take the crown? Is it "MORE" deadlier than an anti matter explosion? Inquiring minds want to know just how far the media can make up bullshit and push this contender to the top spot.

Remember when they wanted to ban the S&W Model 27 because that .357 Magnum round would go right through body armor?

Nope, neither do I...
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:20 am

>Five-seveN
>High-powered
:rofl:
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:22 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:>Five-seveN
>High-powered
:rofl:

They call it a "bullpup" because this thing has some kick!
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:26 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:>Five-seveN
>High-powered
:rofl:

They call it a "bullpup" because this thing has some kick!

Credit where credit is due, the P90 is a bullpup. Fires the same cartridge :p
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:50 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:They call it a "bullpup" because this thing has some kick!

Credit where credit is due, the P90 is a bullpup. Fires the same cartridge :p

Yeah, but I couldn't resist making a reference to this timeless classic.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:55 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Credit where credit is due, the P90 is a bullpup. Fires the same cartridge :p

Yeah, but I couldn't resist making a reference to this timeless classic.

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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
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Postby Clton » Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:06 pm

in clton, you can literally own a nuclear bomb if you've never committed a felony
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:09 pm

Clton wrote:in clton, you can literally own a nuclear bomb if you've never committed a felony

This is generally an OOC thread :p
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
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Postby Clton » Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:10 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Clton wrote:in clton, you can literally own a nuclear bomb if you've never committed a felony

This is generally an OOC thread :p

but this is just my stance
amaerican gunlaws are garbage
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Clton wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:This is generally an OOC thread :p

but this is just my stance
amaerican gunlaws are garbage

garbage as in too strict, I hope :p
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:27 pm

Exactly...
Dan Wos: There is “No Such Thing as Gun-Violence”
The term “gun-violence” is at the center of the political left’s anti-gun fear-campaign. The entire gun-grab agenda is based on this one nomenclature. Sure, they use several other talking points like “assault weapon,” “weapons of war,” and “high capacity,” but the term “gun-violence” is the “big Daddy” term that get’s the most attention. How did the term “gun-violence” become such a talking point in our culture even when it doesn’t actually exist? What is “gun-violence” anyway? First, let’s get some clear definitions of the words themselves.

Gun:
n. A portable firearm, such as a pistol or revolver.

Vi-o-lence
n. Behavior or treatment in which physical force is exerted for the purpose of causing damage or injury.

So if “violence” is a behavior; what is a behavior?

Be-hav-ior
[i]n. The actions or reactions of a person or animal in response to external or internal stimuli.[/u]

In other words, a reaction to the conscious or subconscious thought of something occurring, either in the mind or the external world. “Behavior” is the point where physics and thought intersect. Can a gun think? When we put it with the word “gun” before “violence” we have to assume that a gun has “behavioral” tendencies and can take action on its own, otherwise, the term “gun-violence” falls on its face.

As Albert Einstein said, “nothing happens until something moves.” So what causes the gun to move? Is it able to “behave” and take action, or can behavior only be an attribute of a person or animal?

We often hear the saying “ I left my guns home alone all day and they didn’t move.” Sir Isaac Newton agrees. He said, “Every object persists in its state of rest or uniform motion in a straight line unless it is compelled to change that state by forces impressed on it.”

So, in order for a “gun” to be “violent,” it must behave in a certain way and act on its own free will or something must move first to cause force to be impressed upon it. I know this might sound obvious and I’m sure you get my point by now, but remember, there are many people who actually believe that guns can act on their own. They hear stories of guns mysteriously “going off” by themselves or they believe guns can bounce down a staircase spraying bullets in all directions killing people as we saw in the 1994 movie True Lies. Even worse, the anti-gun fear-mongers can encourage the irrationally-fearful to believe that guns can somehow cause people to become violent, (in other words, “the gun made him do it.”) but most likely, they have attached the word “gun” to their own internal definition of the word “violence” and built imagery and beliefs about guns off of that.

When faced with this logic, the Anti-Gunner is forced to admit that what they mean when they use the term “gun-violence” is “people using guns to be violent” but that argument is debunked when we look at the overwhelming number of lives saved by the presence of a gun.

Knowing that we all have about a 1 in 300 chance of being the victim of a violent crime and knowing that guns are used to save 2.5 million lives per year in America we can see that the term “gun-violence” is nothing more than an unfounded, emotional ploy to scare people into supporting gun control.

Any logical thinking person understands that guns can’t pull their own triggers and act on their own, but regardless of reality, people can be very emotionally-driven and willfully-ignorant when it comes to things they have been conditioned to fear. Therefore, the term “gun-violence” is the perfect motivator for politicians to work their potential voters into a fearful frenzy. I hate to break it to the gun-grabbers, but there’s no such thing as “gun-violence.” If politicians and media were honest, they would talk about “human-violence” but they don’t, for a few reasons. If we were to discuss the causes of “human-violence, we would have to expose the failed policies of the very people who want to ban guns. Rather than discuss welfare dependency, open borders, drug use, gang violence, sanctuary cities, gun-free-zones, left-wing terror groups and criminals released from prison for political reasons, the gun-grabbers would much rather re-direct your focus to guns and wrap them in the fearfully-delicious fantasy of “gun-violence.”

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:00 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:>Five-seveN
>High-powered
:rofl:


Jesus fuck, who job was it to keep the Democrats from watching Stargate again?

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:10 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:>Five-seveN
>High-powered
:rofl:


Jesus fuck, who job was it to keep the Democrats from watching Stargate again?

>_<


Yeah sorry. They started reminiscing about the glory days of civil war, jim crow and their jackboot kkk, to distract them I put on Stargate.

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:47 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Jesus fuck, who job was it to keep the Democrats from watching Stargate again?

>_<


Yeah sorry. They started reminiscing about the glory days of civil war, jim crow and their jackboot kkk, to distract them I put on Stargate.


Could have been worse I guess.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Mar 03, 2021 6:09 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:>Five-seveN
>High-powered
:rofl:


Jesus fuck, who job was it to keep the Democrats from watching Stargate again?

>_<

Sad part is that those aliens who just learned about guns 2 minutes ago still know more about guns than the Democrats do...
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