Gun Control 2022 (IV) - Gun Rights, Control, & Government

[Loben III]

lmao imagine thinking your militias could fight against a 'tyranny' with the might of the US armed forces without being fucking crushed

Taliban has been doing it for 20 years.

[Agarntrop]

lmao imagine thinking your militias could fight against a 'tyranny' with the might of the US armed forces without being fucking crushed

*laughs in Iraq*

sure, you and the few fatass guys in your 'militia' are as powerful and trained as al-qaeda

I have never understood American mentality towards guns and I highly doubt I ever will.

[Agarntrop]

plus... even al qaeda didnt manage to take control of iraq.

[Loben III]

*laughs in Iraq*

sure, you and the few fatass guys in your 'militia' are as powerful and trained as al-qaeda

I have never understood American mentality towards guns and I highly doubt I ever will.

And I never understood certain peoples obsession with wanting to leave people defenseless.

Then again I’m an American citizen, whereas you’re a British subject, yes?

[Washington Resistance Army]

*laughs in Iraq*

sure, you and the few fatass guys in your 'militia' are as powerful and trained as al-qaeda

I have never understood American mentality towards guns and I highly doubt I ever will.

This post shows an immense misunderstanding of asymmetric warfare. Al Qaeda never has been a militarily powerful force, you don't need to be to win a guerilla conflict. The vast majority of the US militaries arsenal is useless in a conflict like that.

[Loben III]

sure, you and the few fatass guys in your 'militia' are as powerful and trained as al-qaeda

I have never understood American mentality towards guns and I highly doubt I ever will.

This post shows an immense misunderstanding of asymmetric warfare. Al Qaeda never has been a militarily powerful force, you don't need to be to win a guerilla conflict. The vast majority of the US militaries arsenal is useless in a conflict like that.

Plus god knows how much territory needs to be covered by the military if a large scale uprising takes hold and many other variables.

[Agarntrop]

sure, you and the few fatass guys in your 'militia' are as powerful and trained as al-qaeda

I have never understood American mentality towards guns and I highly doubt I ever will.

This post shows an immense misunderstanding of asymmetric warfare. Al Qaeda never has been a militarily powerful force, you don't need to be to win a guerilla conflict. The vast majority of the US militaries arsenal is useless in a conflict like that.

I still highly doubt that any American militias have such skill.

Plus, Al-Qaeda, 17 years on, have not taken over the Iraqi government.

[Loben III]

This post shows an immense misunderstanding of asymmetric warfare. Al Qaeda never has been a militarily powerful force, you don't need to be to win a guerilla conflict. The vast majority of the US militaries arsenal is useless in a conflict like that.

I still highly doubt that any American militias have such skill.

Plus, Al-Qaeda, 17 years on, have not taken over the Iraqi government.

Reminder that the Afghanis have held out against both the Soviets and the US for about 40 years on.

[New Visayan Islands]

The votes aren't there. Any gun legislation is off the table until 2022 at least. I did expect the GOP to retake the House then but given the party is in active and rapid collapse I don't think that's guaranteed anymore.

In all honesty if one of these bills passes then a second March on capital hill is warranted.

You just got off a daylong. Given your history I'm upping the ante to *** three days off for trolling (advocating violence) ***

Thanks!
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[Washington Resistance Army]

This post shows an immense misunderstanding of asymmetric warfare. Al Qaeda never has been a militarily powerful force, you don't need to be to win a guerilla conflict. The vast majority of the US militaries arsenal is useless in a conflict like that.

I still highly doubt that any American militias have such skill.

Plus, Al-Qaeda, 17 years on, have not taken over the Iraqi government.

What "skill" lol. AQI's tactics consisted of sniper attacks, bombings and shootouts. You don't exactly need to be an elite operator to do any of that.

No they never took over the Iraqi government, but you know what they did do? Outlast the United States military. Iraq today is still a militia fiefdom dominated warzone nearly 20 years after we invaded and occupied the country. All that high tech gear and equipment in the end couldn't beat civilians with small arms who were determined.

[Agarntrop]

I still highly doubt that any American militias have such skill.

Plus, Al-Qaeda, 17 years on, have not taken over the Iraqi government.

What "skill" lol. AQI's tactics consisted of sniper attacks, bombings and shootouts. You don't exactly need to be an elite operator to do any of that.

No they never took over the Iraqi government, but you know what they did do? Outlast the United States military. Iraq today is still a militia fiefdom dominated warzone nearly 20 years after we invaded and occupied the country. All that high tech gear and equipment in the end couldn't beat civilians with small arms who were determined.

I still don't see how this is relevant in the US either

[The Chuck]

lmao imagine thinking your militias could fight against a 'tyranny' with the might of the US armed forces without being fucking crushed

lmao, imagine the might of the British empire isles getting harassed by petrol bombs & .50 BMGs... oh wait...

A firearm in the hands of a motivated person can either serve a great good or a great evil. It is a tool and with the proper application of technique, it can be used by both freedom fighters and authoritarians alike. By staying strapped, you reduce the chances of getting clapped by that one asshole with an axe to grind against you. I frankly am happy each time someone becomes a gun owner no matter their political position since that just means it's harder for authoritarians to "authoritate".

[Washington Resistance Army]

What "skill" lol. AQI's tactics consisted of sniper attacks, bombings and shootouts. You don't exactly need to be an elite operator to do any of that.

No they never took over the Iraqi government, but you know what they did do? Outlast the United States military. Iraq today is still a militia fiefdom dominated warzone nearly 20 years after we invaded and occupied the country. All that high tech gear and equipment in the end couldn't beat civilians with small arms who were determined.

I still don't see how this is relevant in the US either

Because your original post implied that civilians with small arms couldn't come out on top against conventional military forces which is a position that ignores the last 50 years of armed conflict. Even a small group in CONUS could easily cause billions of dollars in damages and inflict vastly more pain to the state than could ever be inflicted back on them.

[Agarntrop]

I still don't see how this is relevant in the US either

Because your original post implied that civilians with small arms couldn't come out on top against conventional military forces which is a position that ignores the last 50 years of armed conflict. Even a small group in CONUS could easily cause billions of dollars in damages and inflict vastly more pain to the state than could ever be inflicted back on them.

and this will become necessary when exactly?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Because your original post implied that civilians with small arms couldn't come out on top against conventional military forces which is a position that ignores the last 50 years of armed conflict. Even a small group in CONUS could easily cause billions of dollars in damages and inflict vastly more pain to the state than could ever be inflicted back on them.

and this will become necessary when exactly?

That depends entirely on your personal views really.

[Agarntrop]

lmao imagine thinking your militias could fight against a 'tyranny' with the might of the US armed forces without being fucking crushed

lmao, imagine the might of the British empire isles getting harassed by petrol bombs & .50 BMGs... oh wait...

so you think people have a right to own bombs now?

[Washington Resistance Army]

lmao, imagine the might of the British empire isles getting harassed by petrol bombs & .50 BMGs... oh wait...

so you think people have a right to own bombs now?

Under the National Firearms Act of 1934 you can own bombs provided they're stored in an approved explosives magazine and are on the NFRTR.

[Paddy O Fernature]

lmao, imagine the might of the British empire isles getting harassed by petrol bombs & .50 BMGs... oh wait...

so you think people have a right to own bombs now?

We already can.

[The Chuck]

lmao, imagine the might of the British empire isles getting harassed by petrol bombs & .50 BMGs... oh wait...

so you think people have a right to own bombs now?

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The 2nd Amendment states "Arms". Arms does not just pertain to firearms. Arms pertains to weapons in general. Explosive devices are weapons, artillery pieces are weapons, ye olde shillelagh is a weapon.

[Agarntrop]

and this will become necessary when exactly?

That depends entirely on your personal views really.

cos the idea of tyranny is so vague when a nut says 'oh no i need to keep all these guns plus stop local authorities from knowing about it to rise up against TYRANNY when it comes to America' plus it sounds like its being said by a conspiracy theorist.

almost sounds like a more moralistic way of saying 'i like my guns i want to keep them'

[Agarntrop]

so you think people have a right to own bombs now?

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The 2nd Amendment states "Arms". Arms does not just pertain to firearms. Arms pertains to weapons in general. Explosive devices are weapons, artillery pieces are weapons, ye olde shillelagh is a weapon.

'arms' includes nuclear bombs by that logic

[Paddy O Fernature]

That depends entirely on your personal views really.

cos the idea of tyranny is so vague when a nut says 'oh no i need to keep all these guns plus stop local authorities from knowing about it to rise up against TYRANNY when it comes to America' plus it sounds like its being said by a conspiracy theorist.

almost sounds like a more moralistic way of saying 'i like my guns i want to keep them'

Vague you say...

*Looks at the current events tab on US news*

Oh hey, lookie here...

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The 2nd Amendment states "Arms". Arms does not just pertain to firearms. Arms pertains to weapons in general. Explosive devices are weapons, artillery pieces are weapons, ye olde shillelagh is a weapon.

'arms' includes nuclear bombs by that logic

Indeed it does indeed.

Though it's just not practical or cost effective in any way, shape, or form though.

[The Chuck]

That depends entirely on your personal views really.

cos the idea of tyranny is so vague when a nut says 'oh no i need to keep all these guns plus stop local authorities from knowing about it to rise up against TYRANNY when it comes to America' plus it sounds like its being said by a conspiracy theorist.

almost sounds like a more moralistic way of saying 'i like my guns i want to keep them'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946)

Give this a read Agarntrop. It has happened before, it can happen again.

[Agarntrop]

cos the idea of tyranny is so vague when a nut says 'oh no i need to keep all these guns plus stop local authorities from knowing about it to rise up against TYRANNY when it comes to America' plus it sounds like its being said by a conspiracy theorist.

almost sounds like a more moralistic way of saying 'i like my guns i want to keep them'

Vague you say...

*Looks at the current events tab on US news*

Oh hey, lookie here...

the people who were storming the capitol are the same kind that would say that

[The Chuck]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The 2nd Amendment states "Arms". Arms does not just pertain to firearms. Arms pertains to weapons in general. Explosive devices are weapons, artillery pieces are weapons, ye olde shillelagh is a weapon.

'arms' includes nuclear bombs by that logic

Yes, yes it does doesn't it? "Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem." - Thomas Jefferson

In layman's terms, "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."