Gun Control 2022 (IV) - Gun Rights, Control, & Government

[Telconi]

Looks like the mag ban got sunk this morning. Finally some good news!

Mag ban?

CA's 10 round capacity limit.

[The Chuck]

Looks like the mag ban got sunk this morning. Finally some good news!

Got a link Telconi?

[Telconi]

Looks like the mag ban got sunk this morning. Finally some good news!

Got a link Telconi?

Looking for something, all I'm finding is grapevine talk about it, doesnt look like the court has actually published the decision yet. They just held the hearing this morning from what I can gather.

[Arengin Union]

9th circuit court of appeals puts an end to California's draconian magazine laws





mfw

[Saiwania]

Looks like the mag ban got sunk this morning. Finally some good news!

My interpretation is that this might not actually open the door to all magazine sizes being allowed, for those blue states that don't want high capacity magazines to be in circulation. In the old days, over 10 rounds has long been considered "high capacity" but this is perhaps no longer the case because a lot of more recent semi automatic handguns that're commonly sold to civilians hold more than 10 rounds but usually has less than 20 rounds. Most of the market has clearly moved to over 10 but under 20 for handguns that aren't revolvers.

Bans on magazines of over 20 rounds might still be considered valid. I can see 20 rounds as being the new standard if SCOTUS upheld states having magazine bans in general. 10 rounds is perhaps too strict as to impede the 2nd amendment but 30 rounds and up is much harder to defend as needed if a state government really wants to regulate it.

The main reason why 10 rounds is now seen as unreasonable is because more than half of magazines in the US now go over that limit.

[Galloism]

Looks like the mag ban got sunk this morning. Finally some good news!

Got a link Telconi?

https://twitter.com/2Aupdates/status/12 ... 0865161217

[The Two Jerseys]

Looks like the mag ban got sunk this morning. Finally some good news!

My interpretation is that this might not actually open the door to all magazine sizes being allowed, for those blue states that don't want high capacity magazines to be in circulation. In the old days, over 10 rounds has long been considered "high capacity" but this is perhaps no longer the case because a lot of more recent semi automatic handguns that're commonly sold to civilians hold more than 10 rounds but usually has less than 20 rounds. Most of the market has clearly moved to over 10 but under 20 for handguns that aren't revolvers.

Bans on magazines of over 20 rounds might still be considered valid. I can see 20 rounds as being the new standard if SCOTUS upheld states having magazine bans in general. 10 rounds is perhaps too strict as to impede the 2nd amendment but 30 rounds and up is much harder to defend as needed if a state government really wants to regulate it.

The main reason why 10 rounds is now seen as unreasonable is because more than half of magazines in the US now go over that limit.

[Telconi]

My interpretation is that this might not actually open the door to all magazine sizes being allowed, for those blue states that don't want high capacity magazines to be in circulation. In the old days, over 10 rounds has long been considered "high capacity" but this is perhaps no longer the case because a lot of more recent semi automatic handguns that're commonly sold to civilians hold more than 10 rounds but usually has less than 20 rounds. Most of the market has clearly moved to over 10 but under 20 for handguns that aren't revolvers.

Bans on magazines of over 20 rounds might still be considered valid. I can see 20 rounds as being the new standard if SCOTUS upheld states having magazine bans in general. 10 rounds is perhaps too strict as to impede the 2nd amendment but 30 rounds and up is much harder to defend as needed if a state government really wants to regulate it.

The main reason why 10 rounds is now seen as unreasonable is because more than half of magazines in the US now go over that limit.

I mean, "common use" doesn't need to be a handgun, and ARs have had 30 round mags standard for decades.

It could very well allow for laws which prohibit what one might call 'true high capacity magazines'. IIRC some states prohibit things like 100 round drums for ARs, and super long stick mags for your Glock which protrude a foot below the grip.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Got a link Telconi?

https://twitter.com/2Aupdates/status/12 ... 0865161217

Sounds like a victory to me.

[Galloism]

https://twitter.com/2Aupdates/status/12 ... 0865161217

Sounds like a victory to me.

Yes - but qualified.

Basically, the court heavily relied on the fact that over half of all magazines produced are greater than ten rounds, so it’s “common”. If California had done a ban over 40 rounds, or maybe even 30 rounds, it would have stood up.

Basically...

[West Leas Oros 2]

Sounds like a victory to me.

Yes - but qualified.

Basically, the court heavily relied on the fact that over half of all magazines produced are greater than ten rounds, so it’s “common”. If California had done a ban over 40 rounds, or maybe even 30 rounds, it would have stood up.

Basically...

Ten rounds. They are really going mad out here.

[Telconi]

Sounds like a victory to me.

Yes - but qualified.

Basically, the court heavily relied on the fact that over half of all magazines produced are greater than ten rounds, so it’s “common”. If California had done a ban over 40 rounds, or maybe even 30 rounds, it would have stood up.

Basically...

Something akin to Ohio's law perhaps?

[Arengin Union]

I just like the idea that Kevin de Leon, Diane Feisten, Pelosi, and so on got wrecked.

Get owned boomers!

[Germanic Templars]

Yes - but qualified.

Basically, the court heavily relied on the fact that over half of all magazines produced are greater than ten rounds, so it’s “common”. If California had done a ban over 40 rounds, or maybe even 30 rounds, it would have stood up.

Basically...

Something akin to Ohio's law perhaps?

Which part of the law?

[Telconi]

Something akin to Ohio's law perhaps?

Which part of the law?

The magazine law.

[Germanic Templars]

Which part of the law?

The magazine law.

So no limit on capacity?

[Telconi]

The magazine law.

So no limit on capacity?

Yes and no, functionally it's a 30 round capacity for semi-autos. But the Ohio law is oddball enough to have a lower impact.

[DragonFarm]

What interests me is that 36 people voted for no limit on any weapons at all. Does that mean i can keep a nuclear missile in my backyard and launch it at someone? Im just kidding. I like my gun, why cant I keep it?

[Germanic Templars]

So no limit on capacity?

Yes and no, functionally it's a 30 round capacity for semi-autos. But the Ohio law is oddball enough to have a lower impact.

Explain this bit please.

Wait I see it now.

Ohio defines any firearm with a magazine that holds over 31 rounds, as an "automatic firearm".

https://www.gunlaws101.com/state/law/oh ... strictions

[Hurtful Thoughts]

What interests me is that 36 people voted for no limit on any weapons at all. Does that mean i can keep a nuclear missile in my backyard and launch it at someone? Im just kidding. I like my gun, why cant I keep it?

Sure, but if you think you're allowed to launch them then I'm by all means allowed to pre-emptively throw a knife at you first.

[Telconi]

Yes and no, functionally it's a 30 round capacity for semi-autos. But the Ohio law is oddball enough to have a lower impact.

Explain this bit please.

Wait I see it now.

Ohio defines any firearm with a magazine that holds over 31 rounds, as an "automatic firearm".

https://www.gunlaws101.com/state/law/oh ... strictions

which "can fire more than 31 without reloading" which gives you a thirty round mag, plus one chambered round.

So functionally, you can purchase a detachable magazine with any capacity you want, but if you're caught with that magazine attached to a gun, you're technically in possession of what Ohio defines as an "automatic firearm"

[Telconi]

Explain this bit please.

Wait I see it now.

Ohio defines any firearm with a magazine that holds over 31 rounds, as an "automatic firearm".

https://www.gunlaws101.com/state/law/oh ... strictions

which "can fire more than 31 without reloading" which gives you a thirty round mag, plus one chambered round.

So functionally, you can purchase a detachable magazine with any capacity you want, but if you're caught with that magazine attached to a gun, you're technically in possession of what Ohio defines as an "automatic firearm"

I'd be willing to bet such a law would pass the court's scrutiny, one, because the limitations are themselves less onerous, permitting you to purchase mags, just not use them in semi-auto firearms, and secondly because the limit of capacity is the much more common thirty rather than the ten rounds California enforced.

[Germanic Templars]

Explain this bit please.

Wait I see it now.

Ohio defines any firearm with a magazine that holds over 31 rounds, as an "automatic firearm".

https://www.gunlaws101.com/state/law/oh ... strictions

which "can fire more than 31 without reloading" which gives you a thirty round mag, plus one chambered round.

So functionally, you can purchase a detachable magazine with any capacity you want, but if you're caught with that magazine attached to a gun, you're technically in possession of what Ohio defines as an "automatic firearm"

Gotta see if there is a candidate or are candidates who are willing to make our laws more on par with Arizona, Utah, or Alaska in regards of lax laws.

On another note, you still can own a 50 or 60-round magazine.

[Telconi]

which "can fire more than 31 without reloading" which gives you a thirty round mag, plus one chambered round.

So functionally, you can purchase a detachable magazine with any capacity you want, but if you're caught with that magazine attached to a gun, you're technically in possession of what Ohio defines as an "automatic firearm"

Gotta see if there is a candidate or are candidates who are willing to make our laws more on par with Arizona, Utah, or Alaska in regards of lax laws.

On another note, you still can own a 50 or 60-round magazine.

Yeah, and you could use those magazines in any manually activated weapon, like if you had a bolt gun which accepted STANAG type mags, you could use a 100 round AR drum in that without issue.

The whole stated goal of the mag ban was to lower the potential death toll of spree shootings, by causing "life saving pauses" in the murderer's gunfire. Rather you agree with the law or not, Ohio's law more closely meets the given requirements without being as arbitrary as California's.

For example, there's no need to use magazine changes to slow down a killer using a bolt action, because it's a bolt action, thus Ohio's law more closely fits the stated goal. It also takes common use into account, allowing for standard magazines, while still prohibiting magazines which actually have high capacity, not just the "high capacity" magazines that some politicians like to harp on.

[Germanic Templars]

Gotta see if there is a candidate or are candidates who are willing to make our laws more on par with Arizona, Utah, or Alaska in regards of lax laws.

On another note, you still can own a 50 or 60-round magazine.

Yeah, and you could use those magazines in any manually activated weapon, like if you had a bolt gun which accepted STANAG type mags, you could use a 100 round AR drum in that without issue.

The whole stated goal of the mag ban was to lower the potential death toll of spree shootings, by causing "life saving pauses" in the murderer's gunfire. Rather you agree with the law or not, Ohio's law more closely meets the given requirements without being as arbitrary as California's.

For example, there's no need to use magazine changes to slow down a killer using a bolt action, because it's a bolt action, thus Ohio's law more closely fits the stated goal. It also takes common use into account, allowing for standard magazines, while still prohibiting magazines which actually have high capacity, not just the "high capacity" magazines that some politicians like to harp on.

And yet, it still could not deter the Dayton Shooter last year who used a 100-round drum magazine. Moral of the story, majority, in fact, 99.5% of gun laws are dumb.