Gun Control 2022 (IV) - Gun Rights, Control, & Government

[Grinning Dragon]

Bah, retracted.
Should have read the replies to the article.

[Galloism]

Breaking — Missouri Attorney General dismisses all charges against gun-toting McCloskeys…

This isn't true. In fact, the Missouri AG is not in a position to override the local prosecutor (although the AG did submit a friend of the court brief urging a dismissal).

However, the defense did file a motion to dismiss the local prosecutor for conflict of interest, and appoint a special prosecutor.

https://www.kmov.com/news/attorney-for- ... 82d57.html

[Grinning Dragon]

Breaking — Missouri Attorney General dismisses all charges against gun-toting McCloskeys…

This isn't true. In fact, the Missouri AG is not in a position to override the local prosecutor (although the AG did submit a friend of the court brief urging a dismissal).

However, the defense did file a motion to dismiss the local prosecutor for conflict of interest, and appoint a special prosecutor.

https://www.kmov.com/news/attorney-for- ... 82d57.html

I see that now. However the case does need to be dropped and the local prosecutor needs to be brought up on malicious prosecution.

[The Chuck]

This isn't true. In fact, the Missouri AG is not in a position to override the local prosecutor (although the AG did submit a friend of the court brief urging a dismissal).

However, the defense did file a motion to dismiss the local prosecutor for conflict of interest, and appoint a special prosecutor.

https://www.kmov.com/news/attorney-for- ... 82d57.html

I see that now. However the case does need to be dropped and the local prosecutor needs to be brought up on malicious prosecution.

Any of you ever heard the Pro-Irish Song about Mrs. Thatcher? Some folks I know locally are writing a variant for Mrs. Gardner... She needs to be hung out to dry with all the utter bullshit she's been pulling in her office.

[Grinning Dragon]

A California Man Had His Guns Confiscated Because He’s a Racist

[N]othing in the quoted statements from Sheriff’s Office officials suggests that the “gun violence restraining order” and gun seizure stemmed from any crime he had committed (including conspiracy or solicitation); it sounds like the basis for the “gun violence restraining order” is his political rhetoric. I found online what is claimed to be an excerpt from the application for the order, though I can’t vouch for its authenticity (I’m trying to get the court file myself)….

And while it does lay out a specific theory as to why he is likely to commit violence, I don’t think this can be enough. A person’s hateful and pro-violence rhetoric—whether it’s hatred for blacks and Jews, as Casarez seems to espouse, or for police officers or capitalists or government officials—is by itself the exercise of First Amendment rights, and the government can’t retaliate against such speech by using it as a basis to deny Second Amendment rights. While the government can use speech as evidence of what one has done or why one has done it (a common use in criminal procedures), I don’t think it can use it as evidence of future dangerousness sufficient to deny someone a constitutional right.

– Eugene Volokh

Have to agree with Eugene Volokh here, distasteful opinions and such that fall under 1st Amendment protections are NOT grounds to infringe upon a person's 2nd Amendment and another reason on why red flag laws are pure trash and need to be struck down.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Arm blm protesters with self-propelled artillery

[Grinning Dragon]

Arm blm protesters with self-propelled artillery

Going to be kinda hard moving artillery pieces about in a crowd, yes?
Other than that, I don't care.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Arm blm protesters with self-propelled artillery

Going to be kinda hard moving artillery pieces about in a crowd, yes?
Other than that, I don't care.

Social distancing my dude. People march by the moving artillery all atleast 2 m apart.

[Gig em Aggies]

Going to be kinda hard moving artillery pieces about in a crowd, yes?
Other than that, I don't care.

Social distancing my dude. People march by the moving artillery all atleast 2 m apart.

kind of hard to hide mobile artillery plus if it's not already the plan having mobile artillery would back fire.

[Novus America]

Social distancing my dude. People march by the moving artillery all atleast 2 m apart.

kind of hard to hide mobile artillery plus if it's not already the plan having mobile artillery would back fire.

I suppose you could hide a small artillery piece in the back of a box truck.

[The Chuck]

kind of hard to hide mobile artillery plus if it's not already the plan having mobile artillery would back fire.

I suppose you could hide a small artillery piece in the back of a box truck.

*Starts whistling Irish ditties*

[Kowani]

I suppose you could hide a small artillery piece in the back of a box truck.

*Starts whistling Irish ditties*

Angry British noises

[Ammostan]

Thought I had seen this one before, he did one like this 3 years ago.
https://youtu.be/SqJ_4YhYMhE
Still a face palm moment at the idiots who base function on how a firearm looks and those dipshits vote.

He's been recycling some "greatest hits" clips lately, that looks like the full video it came from.

Oh God, that means there's another 10 whole minutes of absolute idiocy...

They always neglect the fact that there IS a "legitimate use" for an "assault" rifle with high capacity magazines. HOME. DEFENSE. AGAINST. MULTIPLE. INTRUDERS. Ah, but that "never happens". Riiiight?

[Novus America]

He's been recycling some "greatest hits" clips lately, that looks like the full video it came from.

Oh God, that means there's another 10 whole minutes of absolute idiocy...

They always neglect the fact that there IS a "legitimate use" for an "assault" rifle with high capacity magazines. HOME. DEFENSE. AGAINST. MULTIPLE. INTRUDERS. Ah, but that "never happens". Riiiight?

That and hunting multiple, smaller, fast animals, particularly dangerous ones like coyotes.

The Mini 14 has always been popular as a ranch rifle for this reason, but although not usually considered and “assault rifle” because it usually has a fixed wooden stock, no bayonet lug or flash guard on the ranch model (although these are available as accessories), and thus it does not “look scary”, the AR-15 is not any more dangerous at all.

Just because a weapon “looks military” (and actually the original intent was all able bodied citizens 18-45 have a military type weapon) does not make it more dangerous.

Assault weapons bans are as stupid as banning black cars because they “look scary”.

[Kowani]

He's been recycling some "greatest hits" clips lately, that looks like the full video it came from.

Oh God, that means there's another 10 whole minutes of absolute idiocy...

They always neglect the fact that there IS a "legitimate use" for an "assault" rifle with high capacity magazines. HOME. DEFENSE. AGAINST. MULTIPLE. INTRUDERS. Ah, but that "never happens". Riiiight?

I realize you probably have some antecdote-but how common is that?

[Ammostan]

They always neglect the fact that there IS a "legitimate use" for an "assault" rifle with high capacity magazines. HOME. DEFENSE. AGAINST. MULTIPLE. INTRUDERS. Ah, but that "never happens". Riiiight?

I realize you probably have some antecdote-but how common is that?

Doesn't matter how common it is. If even ONE person successfully defends their home it is a GOOD THING.

[Novus America]

They always neglect the fact that there IS a "legitimate use" for an "assault" rifle with high capacity magazines. HOME. DEFENSE. AGAINST. MULTIPLE. INTRUDERS. Ah, but that "never happens". Riiiight?

I realize you probably have some antecdote-but how common is that?

Not particularly common but it can help to have some extra shots in case you miss or face a lot of targets. Just in case it is not bad.

Admittedly they are more suited for the roles of less “scary” ranch rifles, namely shooting coyotes and such from the back of a horse or vehicle.

But until there is some evidence of mass bayonet killings or something absurd, why is the AR-15 more dangerous than the the stand ranch rifle?

[Kowani]

I realize you probably have some antecdote-but how common is that?

Doesn't matter how common it is. If even ONE person successfully defends their home it is a GOOD THING.

No, it very much does.

I realize you probably have some antecdote-but how common is that?

Not particularly common but it can help to have some extra shots in case you miss or face a lot of targets. Just in case it is not bad.

Admittedly they are more suited for the roles of less “scary” ranch rifles, namely shooting coyotes and such from the back of a horse or vehicle.

But until there is some evidence of mass bayonet killings or something absurd, why is the AR-15 more dangerous than the the stand ranch rifle?

Shrug. Don't ask me. My ideal state (not one that can be realized under the status quo) would have disarmed the populace. The current actions of the police, however, are evidence that the State in the US cannot be trusted with such a thing.

[Novus America]

Doesn't matter how common it is. If even ONE person successfully defends their home it is a GOOD THING.

No, it very much does.

Not particularly common but it can help to have some extra shots in case you miss or face a lot of targets. Just in case it is not bad.

Admittedly they are more suited for the roles of less “scary” ranch rifles, namely shooting coyotes and such from the back of a horse or vehicle.

But until there is some evidence of mass bayonet killings or something absurd, why is the AR-15 more dangerous than the the stand ranch rifle?

Shrug. Don't ask me. My ideal state (not one that can be realized under the status quo) would have disarmed the populace. The current actions of the police, however, are evidence that the State in the US cannot be trusted with such a thing.

And how would you disarm coyotes?
Remove all their teeth?

As disarmed society in a land of dangerous megafauna (including but not limited to great apes of the sapiens kind) is inherently a bad idea, and no state can be completely trusted.

[Kowani]

And how would you disarm coyotes?
Remove all their teeth?

...Bring things capable of making lots noise, and scare them off. Coyotes aren't the most courageous animals around.

As disarmed society in a land of dangerous megafauna (including but not limited to great apes of the sapiens kind) is inherently a bad idea, and no state can be completely trusted.

Hmm, true. Perhaps an exception would have to be made for areas with large amounts of aggressive megafauna.

[Novus America]

And how would you disarm coyotes?
Remove all their teeth?

...Bring things capable of making lots noise, and scare them off. Coyotes aren't the most courageous animals around.

As disarmed society in a land of dangerous megafauna (including but not limited to great apes of the sapiens kind) is inherently a bad idea, and no state can be completely trusted.

Hmm, true. Perhaps an exception would have to be made for areas with large amounts of aggressive megafauna.

Not all are so easily scared. Individuals are usually cowards but in groups they may attack. Hence why you want a semi automatic .556/223 for them.
Given the huge coyote problems guns are needed to control them.

And homo sapiens are the most dangerous megafauna there is, so that is pretty much everywhere But much of North America has potentially dangerous megafauna of other, native types.

But anyways no state can be completely trusted, so the idea of what would happen if the state could be completely trusted is completely moot.

[Neanderthaland]

...Bring things capable of making lots noise, and scare them off. Coyotes aren't the most courageous animals around.

Hmm, true. Perhaps an exception would have to be made for areas with large amounts of aggressive megafauna.

Not all are so easily scared. Individuals are usually cowards but in groups they may attack. Hence why you want a semi automatic .556/223 for them.
Given the huge coyote problems guns are needed to control them.

And homo sapiens are the most dangerous megafauna there is, so that is pretty much everywhere But much of North America has potentially dangerous megafauna of other, native types.

But anyways no state can be completely trusted, so the idea of what would happen if the state could be completely trusted is completely moot.

You should absolutely have a right to an AR-15 style rifle, but I'm not sure if you need one to deal with coyotes.

I have a lot of experience dealing with them. They are going to run after the first shot. Even if you miss. It doesn't even have to be a real gun. You could scatter them with a starter pistol.

[Novus America]

Not all are so easily scared. Individuals are usually cowards but in groups they may attack. Hence why you want a semi automatic .556/223 for them.
Given the huge coyote problems guns are needed to control them.

And homo sapiens are the most dangerous megafauna there is, so that is pretty much everywhere But much of North America has potentially dangerous megafauna of other, native types.

But anyways no state can be completely trusted, so the idea of what would happen if the state could be completely trusted is completely moot.

You should absolutely have a right to an AR-15 style rifle, but I'm not sure if you need one to deal with coyotes.

I have a lot of experience dealing with them. They are going to run after the first shot. Even if you miss. It doesn't even have to be a real gun. You could scatter them with a starter pistol.

Well if they run they come back, you want the ones on your farm dead. The objective is to kill them. I know many farmers use semi automatic .223s to control coyotes and other pests.

But sure, they are not only or exclusively for that purpose, but that is a legitimate purpose for them. AR-15s are excellent hunting rifles when dealing with smaller game.

Or even bigger games in special calibers like .50 Beowulf and .458 SOCOM.

[Neanderthaland]

You should absolutely have a right to an AR-15 style rifle, but I'm not sure if you need one to deal with coyotes.

I have a lot of experience dealing with them. They are going to run after the first shot. Even if you miss. It doesn't even have to be a real gun. You could scatter them with a starter pistol.

Well if they run they come back, you want the ones on your farm dead. The objective is to kill them. I know many farmers use semi automatic .223s to control coyotes and other pests.

But sure, they are not only or exclusively for that purpose, but that is a legitimate purpose for them. AR-15s are excellent hunting rifles when dealing with smaller game.

It's much more typical and more effective to trap them.

EDIT: If you already have the gun, and there are coyotes, and you don't have the time or inclination to go to town and get a trap. It will absolutely work. And it's a totally reasonable use for the rifle. It's just that coyotes aren't the first thing that come to mind when I think of reasons to have one.

[Novus America]

Well if they run they come back, you want the ones on your farm dead. The objective is to kill them. I know many farmers use semi automatic .223s to control coyotes and other pests.

But sure, they are not only or exclusively for that purpose, but that is a legitimate purpose for them. AR-15s are excellent hunting rifles when dealing with smaller game.

It's much more typical and more effective to trap them.

EDIT: If you already have the gun, and there are coyotes, and you don't have the time or inclination to go to town and get a trap. It will absolutely work. And it's a totally reasonable use for the rifle. It's just that coyotes aren't the first thing that come to mind when I think of reasons to have one.

Fair enough. Point is AR-15s have legitimate farming and hunting uses.