Gun Control 2022 (IV) - Gun Rights, Control, & Government

[Slavakino]

This country functionally does not have freedom of speech either.

I thought the 1st amendment covers freedom of speech?

[Taihei Tengoku]

This country functionally does not have freedom of speech either.

I thought the 1st amendment covers freedom of speech?

You thought it did.

[Slavakino]

I thought the 1st amendment covers freedom of speech?

You thought it did.

Could be worse, could be Australia or NZ where you can get arrested for saying the wrong thing. Some guy got arrested for owning gel blasters, kevlar and electronics and was labelled as a terrorist due to anti-gov sentiments

[Adamede]

You thought it did.

Could be worse, could be Australia or NZ where you can get arrested for saying the wrong thing. Some guy got arrested for owning gel blasters, kevlar and electronics and was labelled as a terrorist due to anti-gov sentiments

Not exactly a high standard to hold ourselves too.

[Pax Nerdvana]

Aw yeah! I hope he wins this suite.
A very relevant and good song

Except that this song https://youtu.be/OqPVz101nd0 fits better then yours Pax plus as a deception this should be your national anthem.

Haven't heard that in a while. Muse is quite good from what I can tell.

This country functionally does not have freedom of speech either.

The US is falling down the slippery slope. Before long, revolution might be our only chance at keeping our freedom.

[Grinning Dragon]

Mmmmm fresh thread, Now onto politics. How many people are aware that if Biden wins, the US's gun laws are gonna get absolutely fucked by a senile fudd

We are aware, then again do you think the drooling window licker would even know where he's at let alone remember how to sign a document or get distracted by a female and start sniffing her hair?

[Adamede]

Mmmmm fresh thread, Now onto politics. How many people are aware that if Biden wins, the US's gun laws are gonna get absolutely fucked by a senile fudd

We are aware, then again do you think the drooling window licker would even know where he's at let alone remember how to sign a document or get distracted by a female and start sniffing her hair?

I think he has enough helpers to push ole' Shotgun Joe along to do whatever they want.

[No State Here]

This journalist tried to buy an AR-15 to demonstrate how easy it is for any loon to buy "dangerous weapons," ended up failing his background check and denied

[Grinning Dragon]

This journalist tried to buy an AR-15 to demonstrate how easy it is for any loon to buy "dangerous weapons," ended up failing his background check and denied

Even though this is old, apparently he didn't do it right? Five UPS Workers Busted In Gun Theft Ring
Read the report and you'll see those 5 at this point have only received a slap on the hand.

[Pax Nerdvana]

This journalist tried to buy an AR-15 to demonstrate how easy it is for any loon to buy "dangerous weapons," ended up failing his background check and denied

Even though this is old, apparently he didn't do it right? Five UPS Workers Busted In Gun Theft Ring
Read the report and you'll see those 5 at this point have only received a slap on the hand.

Darned Feds can get away with things that would get us sent up the river.

[Gig em Aggies]

Even though this is old, apparently he didn't do it right? Five UPS Workers Busted In Gun Theft Ring
Read the report and you'll see those 5 at this point have only received a slap on the hand.

Darned Feds can get away with things that would get us sent up the river.

well it gives a whole new meaning to "What can Brown do for you"

[Gusdapperstan]

In states with less gun restrictions firearm deaths are higher. Deaths from firearms in gun control states per 100,000 people are: California 7.5, New York 4.1, Massachusetts 3.5, Illinois 10.9. In low gun control states firearm deaths per 100,000 are: Louisiana 21.4, Texas 12.2, Tennessee 17.8, Missouri 21.5, Georgia 15.7. On average red states have far higher firearm deaths per 100,000.
So I think this whole myth that gun control doesnt work can be laid to rest.

[Plzen]

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As we all already know, correlation-causation and all that...

How do those numbers look in terms of total crime? Does gun control really prevent deaths, or simply convert gun deaths into, say, knife deaths?

What about confounding factors? Have you adjusted for development, ethnic composition, etc? Are you sure there isn’t another factor - say, low educational attainment - that causes both high crime and conservative politics instead of one of those causing the other?

Does the relationship really work in that direction? How do you know that gun control reduces crime rather than the other way around - it seems plausible enough that people are more receptive to gun control in regions where people feel less need to be armed.

There is more to statistics than “look, these points form a neat line!”

[The Two Jerseys]

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As we all already know, correlation-causation and all that...

How do those numbers look in terms of total crime? Does gun control really prevent deaths, or simply convert gun deaths into, say, knife deaths?

What about confounding factors? Have you adjusted for development, ethnic composition, etc? Are you sure there isn’t another factor - say, low educational attainment - that causes both high crime and conservative politics instead of one of those causing the other?

Does the relationship really work in that direction? How do you know that gun control reduces crime rather than the other way around - it seems plausible enough that people are more receptive to gun control in regions where people feel less need to be armed.

There is more to statistics than “look, these points form a neat line!”

Don't forget, we also have to eliminate 2/3 of those numbers right off the bat because they lump suicides and accidents into "gun deaths".

[Grinning Dragon]

As we all already know, correlation-causation and all that...

How do those numbers look in terms of total crime? Does gun control really prevent deaths, or simply convert gun deaths into, say, knife deaths?

What about confounding factors? Have you adjusted for development, ethnic composition, etc? Are you sure there isn’t another factor - say, low educational attainment - that causes both high crime and conservative politics instead of one of those causing the other?

Does the relationship really work in that direction? How do you know that gun control reduces crime rather than the other way around - it seems plausible enough that people are more receptive to gun control in regions where people feel less need to be armed.

There is more to statistics than “look, these points form a neat line!”

Don't forget, we also have to eliminate 2/3 of those numbers right off the bat because they lump suicides and accidents into "gun deaths".

Not to mention that California's suicide rate by firearm fell faster than the rest of the nation.
None of the decline in California deaths with the aid of a firearm is attributable to the state’s gun control laws.

One can also argue that gun control laws encourage violent crimes with or without firearms, being the most heavily handed gun control law was the GCA 68, and the murder rate rose steadily in the 70's, 80's and the early 90's.

[Galloism]

Some days I really hate my local govt. with a passion. I hope these two lawyers take the city of St. Louis to the damn chopping block.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/missouri-cou ... rch-report

Kim Gardner is a snake of a DA and needs a good poke in a better direction due to her behavior and actions locally.

Let me give you more reason.

So the gun that Mrs McCloskey was waving around (and practicing poor discipline) apparently wasn’t even functional. It has been used as a prop in court, and had been deliberately rendered non functional.

So uh... they had the lab staff disassemble, reassemble, and test fire the weapon and then declared to the court it was “readily capable of lethal use” to the court when filing charges.

[The Chuck]

Some days I really hate my local govt. with a passion. I hope these two lawyers take the city of St. Louis to the damn chopping block.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/missouri-cou ... rch-report

Kim Gardner is a snake of a DA and needs a good poke in a better direction due to her behavior and actions locally.

Let me give you more reason.

So the gun that Mrs McCloskey was waving around (and practicing poor discipline) apparently wasn’t even functional. It has been used as a prop in court, and had been deliberately rendered non functional.

So uh... they had the lab staff disassemble, reassemble, and test fire the weapon and then declared to the court it was “readily capable of lethal use” to the court when filing charges.

Oh no, I knew about that already. It's a load of bullshit Gallo, a large smelly pile of BULLSHIT.

[Rojava Free State]

This country functionally does not have freedom of speech either.

I thought the 1st amendment covers freedom of speech?

In America the old rules are gone.

[Rojava Free State]

Let me give you more reason.

So the gun that Mrs McCloskey was waving around (and practicing poor discipline) apparently wasn’t even functional. It has been used as a prop in court, and had been deliberately rendered non functional.

So uh... they had the lab staff disassemble, reassemble, and test fire the weapon and then declared to the court it was “readily capable of lethal use” to the court when filing charges.

Oh no, I knew about that already. It's a load of bullshit Gallo, a large smelly pile of BULLSHIT.

This is a total hitjob.

[Gusdapperstan]

Don't forget, we also have to eliminate 2/3 of those numbers right off the bat because they lump suicides and accidents into "gun deaths".

Not to mention that California's suicide rate by firearm fell faster than the rest of the nation.
None of the decline in California deaths with the aid of a firearm is attributable to the state’s gun control laws.

One can also argue that gun control laws encourage violent crimes with or without firearms, being the most heavily handed gun control law was the GCA 68, and the murder rate rose steadily in the 70's, 80's and the early 90's.

What statistics say that it did? And what makes you think it wasn't a result of California's gun laws? I don't understand why we just cant have things like gun buy backs and an incentive for people to turn in their guns and reduce the number of firearms in circulation?

[Gusdapperstan]

Some days I really hate my local govt. with a passion. I hope these two lawyers take the city of St. Louis to the damn chopping block.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/missouri-cou ... rch-report

Kim Gardner is a snake of a DA and needs a good poke in a better direction due to her behavior and actions locally.

Let me give you more reason.

So the gun that Mrs McCloskey was waving around (and practicing poor discipline) apparently wasn’t even functional. It has been used as a prop in court, and had been deliberately rendered non functional.

So uh... they had the lab staff disassemble, reassemble, and test fire the weapon and then declared to the court it was “readily capable of lethal use” to the court when filing charges.

Your actions have consequences, it doesnt matter if the gun was non functioning you cant just point any gun functioning or not at protesters.

[The Two Jerseys]

Not to mention that California's suicide rate by firearm fell faster than the rest of the nation.
None of the decline in California deaths with the aid of a firearm is attributable to the state’s gun control laws.

One can also argue that gun control laws encourage violent crimes with or without firearms, being the most heavily handed gun control law was the GCA 68, and the murder rate rose steadily in the 70's, 80's and the early 90's.

What statistics say that it did? And what makes you think it wasn't a result of California's gun laws? I don't understand why we just cant have things like gun buy backs and an incentive for people to turn in their guns and reduce the number of firearms in circulation?

Gun buybacks preventing crime

[The Two Jerseys]

Let me give you more reason.

So the gun that Mrs McCloskey was waving around (and practicing poor discipline) apparently wasn’t even functional. It has been used as a prop in court, and had been deliberately rendered non functional.

So uh... they had the lab staff disassemble, reassemble, and test fire the weapon and then declared to the court it was “readily capable of lethal use” to the court when filing charges.

Your actions have consequences, it doesnt matter if the gun was non functioning you cant just point any gun functioning or not at protesters.

None of what you said excuses the district attorney's office for manufacturing fake evidence to frame someone.

[Galloism]

Let me give you more reason.

So the gun that Mrs McCloskey was waving around (and practicing poor discipline) apparently wasn’t even functional. It has been used as a prop in court, and had been deliberately rendered non functional.

So uh... they had the lab staff disassemble, reassemble, and test fire the weapon and then declared to the court it was “readily capable of lethal use” to the court when filing charges.

Your actions have consequences, it doesnt matter if the gun was non functioning you cant just point any gun functioning or not at protesters.

Here’s the thing - for the crime they were charged with, the weapon must be readily capable of lethal use. They found it wasn’t, so they had them reassemble it so it would be, and then stated it already was to the court. Fortunately lab techs tend to be very scrupulous about record keeping.

Basically, turns out the prosecution lied to the court to try to land charges they know didn’t fit the circumstances. Prosecutors lying to the court is not a good thing.

[The Chuck]

Let me give you more reason.

So the gun that Mrs McCloskey was waving around (and practicing poor discipline) apparently wasn’t even functional. It has been used as a prop in court, and had been deliberately rendered non functional.

So uh... they had the lab staff disassemble, reassemble, and test fire the weapon and then declared to the court it was “readily capable of lethal use” to the court when filing charges.

Your actions have consequences, it doesnt matter if the gun was non functioning you cant just point any gun functioning or not at protesters.

You obviously don't live in the Show Me state bucko!

https://statelaws.findlaw.com/missouri- ... -laws.html