Gun Control 2022 (IV) - Gun Rights, Control, & Government

[The Two Jerseys]

A while back me and my buds were talking about the double standard from the parasitic make shit up-the sky is falling main stream media and anti gun groups in regards to armed groups, whereas mostly white is reported as "far right extremist", "racist", and the all to often favorite screed "white supremacy" all while ignoring the fact that there were also people of differing backgrounds were also present at say the one in Michigan and the same is true of different groups.
Fast forward to now and the rise of mostly black armed groups and not one peep out of the main stream media or anti gun groups, I guess if it weren't for double standards media and anti gun groups wouldn't have any standards.
I myself like seeing groups of Americans armed while protesting even if I disagree with the message in part or in whole
I also ran across this article yesterday and seems we weren't the only ones noticing the double standard.
Media & Anti’s Painfully Silent Double Standard on Armed Black Protestors

In the case of the armed Stone Mountain protest, it’s not what the anti-gunners say, but what they don’t say.

As of this writing, and I am composing this article on the afternoon of July 5th, 2020, there has been not one word about the armed Stone Mountain protest on the Twitter Feed for Everytown, Moms Demand Action, Giffords, and Brady. Yet when armed citizen advocates organized for Lobby Day in Virginia, Everytown (and its media cheerleaders) went full-blown hysterical, smearing them as violent “far-right extremists” and racists. Never mind that tens of thousands of responsible gun owners, including citizens of all races, behaved peaceably, gathered together in a unified spirit of freedom that transcended all other differences. Never mind that “Armed Black Lives Matter activists and right-wing groups came together in Richmond, Virginia on Saturday in a united show of support for the 2nd Amendment at an Open Carry rally.”

So why has every one of those groups remained silent about the armed Stone Mountain marchers?

- David Codrea

It's simple: any criticism of black people is wrongthink.

[Saiwania]

It is looking like Biden will become President inevitably and as such, we need to prepare for a wave of gun control that is quite likely. The GOP is set to lose massively unless turnout is super low. Trump support has collapsed even in a lot of red states from the pandemic he neglected and the police brutality he comes across as supporting, amidst the backdrop of a ruined economy and 130,000+ deaths that didn't need to happen.

[Asle Leopolka]

It is looking like Biden will become President inevitably and as such, we need to prepare for a wave of gun control that is quite likely. The GOP is set to lose massively unless turnout is super low.

BRB, buying as many "pre-Biden Ban" ARs and AKs as possible before the price hike.

[The Emerald Legion]

It is looking like Biden will become President inevitably and as such, we need to prepare for a wave of gun control that is quite likely. The GOP is set to lose massively unless turnout is super low. Trump support has collapsed even in a lot of red states from the pandemic he neglected and the police brutality he comes across as supporting, amidst the backdrop of a ruined economy and 130,000+ deaths that didn't need to happen.

Unlikely. The Primary Model predicts a 91% chance of Trump's Victory in the coming presidential election.

[West Leas Oros 2]

“Minnesota Burning” and I’m sitting at home typing on NationStates. I’m disappointed in myself, don’tcha know.

Oof da!

Uhh... ackshully, it's "Uff da".

[The Two Jerseys]

Oof da!

Uhh... ackshully, it's "Uff da".

Oh, gosh darn it!

[Saiwania]

Unlikely. The Primary Model predicts a 91% chance of Trump's Victory in the coming presidential election.

SS-Obergruppenführer Felix Steiner failed to save Berlin because the forces available to him were insufficent to resist the Soviet armies he was supposed to be going up against, despite Hitler's delusions (if that story is true) that he could "save the day" enough to turn the situation around. It is looking quite a lot like that moment.

https://www.alternet.org/2020/07/the-fl ... -his-base/

[The Chuck]

Unlikely. The Primary Model predicts a 91% chance of Trump's Victory in the coming presidential election.

SS-Obergruppenführer Felix Steiner failed to save Berlin because the forces available to him were insufficent to resist the Soviet armies he was supposed to be going up against, despite Hitler's delusions (if that story is true) that he could "save the day" enough to turn the situation around. It is looking quite a lot like that moment.

https://www.alternet.org/2020/07/the-fl ... -his-base/

This is the gun control thread Saiwania, not the "Wehrmacht/Waffen SS vs. Red Army" thread.

To steer us back on to the topic of gun control, anyone else hear about how the "Boogaloo Boys" and BLM rallied together in Virginia? I've got my reservations on some of what occurred but honestly? That's a major kick in the nards for the pro-gun control crowd. An armed minority is a hard to oppress minority.

[West Leas Oros 2]

SS-Obergruppenführer Felix Steiner failed to save Berlin because the forces available to him were insufficent to resist the Soviet armies he was supposed to be going up against, despite Hitler's delusions (if that story is true) that he could "save the day" enough to turn the situation around. It is looking quite a lot like that moment.

https://www.alternet.org/2020/07/the-fl ... -his-base/

This is the gun control thread Saiwania, not the "Wehrmacht/Waffen SS vs. Red Army" thread.

To steer us back on to the topic of gun control, anyone else hear about how the "Boogaloo Boys" and BLM rallied together in Virginia? I've got my reservations on some of what occurred but honestly? That's a major kick in the nards for the pro-gun control crowd. An armed minority is a hard to oppress minority.

It grinds my gears to hear the same talking points again and again from liberals that think guns are some exclusive, far-right, neo-nazi thing.

[Germanic Templars]

SS-Obergruppenführer Felix Steiner failed to save Berlin because the forces available to him were insufficent to resist the Soviet armies he was supposed to be going up against, despite Hitler's delusions (if that story is true) that he could "save the day" enough to turn the situation around. It is looking quite a lot like that moment.

https://www.alternet.org/2020/07/the-fl ... -his-base/

This is the gun control thread Saiwania, not the "Wehrmacht/Waffen SS vs. Red Army" thread.

To steer us back on to the topic of gun control, anyone else hear about how the "Boogaloo Boys" and BLM rallied together in Virginia? I've got my reservations on some of what occurred but honestly? That's a major kick in the nards for the pro-gun control crowd. An armed minority is a hard to oppress minority.

NFAC? That was just a group of black gun groups, as for "Boog bois", I didn't hear anything on that.

[Pax Nerdvana]

This is the gun control thread Saiwania, not the "Wehrmacht/Waffen SS vs. Red Army" thread.

To steer us back on to the topic of gun control, anyone else hear about how the "Boogaloo Boys" and BLM rallied together in Virginia? I've got my reservations on some of what occurred but honestly? That's a major kick in the nards for the pro-gun control crowd. An armed minority is a hard to oppress minority.

It grinds my gears to hear the same talking points again and again from liberals that think guns are some exclusive, far-right, neo-nazi thing.

I know what you mean. Guns are for everyone, regardless of race or gender. An armed populace is a free (and polite) populace.

[Saiwania]

This is the gun control thread Saiwania, not the "Wehrmacht/Waffen SS vs. Red Army" thread.

The point is that Trump is currently losing by a lot against Joe Biden and I'm not seeing many paths for him to recover within only 4 months barring some miracle. To assert that Trump is doing fine, is just like having the belief that Berlin could be saved in 1945 when it really couldn't at that point.

I see it as a safer bet to think that Biden is going to get in next year as President, with perhaps the House if not the Senate as well, and then would be the prime opportunity for gun control to really be pushed. And I know its a high priority of Biden's. Get the firearms while you still can. It is looking like it'll be over going forward.

[West Leas Oros 2]

It grinds my gears to hear the same talking points again and again from liberals that think guns are some exclusive, far-right, neo-nazi thing.

I know what you mean. Guns are for everyone, regardless of race or gender. An armed populace is a free (and polite) populace.

Aye. Of course, the anti-gun crowd wouldn't admit that. Guns are surely a better equalizer than whatever paltry ideas they have. Not perfect of course, but surely it's better to have armed minorities able to defend themselves than unarmed minorities. And with all the talk of police shootings and racism, it'd be prudent to carry one in case the blue guys start knocking.

[Pax Nerdvana]

I know what you mean. Guns are for everyone, regardless of race or gender. An armed populace is a free (and polite) populace.

Aye. Of course, the anti-gun crowd wouldn't admit that. Guns are surely a better equalizer than whatever paltry ideas they have. Not perfect of course, but surely it's better to have armed minorities able to defend themselves than unarmed minorities. And with all the talk of police shootings and racism, it'd be prudent to carry one in case the blue guys start knocking.

Yeah. You can't rely on the police to save you.

[The Chuck]

I know what you mean. Guns are for everyone, regardless of race or gender. An armed populace is a free (and polite) populace.

Aye. Of course, the anti-gun crowd wouldn't admit that. Guns are surely a better equalizer than whatever paltry ideas they have. Not perfect of course, but surely it's better to have armed minorities able to defend themselves than unarmed minorities. And with all the talk of police shootings and racism, it'd be prudent to carry one in case the blue guys start knocking.

Wise words from a gunsmith with regards to firearms, ammunition, and equipment.

"Stack em' high, stack em' deep. Safe from tyranny, I can sleep..."

There's another part but not sharing it.

[Mirjt]

The NRA is nothing but a front group for arms manufacturers, arms dealers, far-right philosophies, and bigotry.

If people want to join a real gun rights group, that actual care about people and won't ignore the problem of gun violence or police violence, I suggest people join the Socialist Rifle Association.

P.S. I don't own any arms, I am not comfortable around firearms (unless it is on a hunting range or rifilery range). I do support certain types of gun control, but I also support the right for communities to defend themselves. I also support the right of individuals to personally defend themselves in theory, but I am not convinced that having more guns in a hostile situation ever works out in the favor of those defending themselves, and would prefer it that if we insist on personal self-defense that we invest in developing better less lethal and non-lethal weapons that can incapacitate an aggressor without killing or causing significant or permanent injury.

[The Chuck]

The NRA is nothing but a front group for arms manufacturers, arms dealers, far-right philosophies, and bigotry.

If people want to join a real gun rights group, that actual care about people and won't ignore the problem of gun violence or police violence, I suggest people join the Socialist Rifle Association.

P.S. I don't own any arms, I am not comfortable around firearms (unless it is on a hunting range or rifilery range). I do support certain types of gun control, but I also support the right for communities to defend themselves. I also support the right of individuals to personally defend themselves in theory, but I am not convinced that having more guns in a hostile situation ever works out in the favor of those defending themselves, and would prefer it that if we insist on personal self-defense that we invest in developing better less lethal and non-lethal weapons that can incapacitate an aggressor without killing or cause significant or permanent injury.

If you're a left leaner, I'd say the SRA is for you. If you are a general supporter of the right to bear arms, the G.O.A. is a great organization to support.

As for the N.R.A., I can do without some of their negotiating rights away antics but I do think they do a damn fine job on firearms safety seminars for new gun owners and non-gun owners.

As for you Mirjit, if you feel uncomfortable around firearms, that's your choice. However I'd recommend you at least try to go shooting with a friend or someone else who owns firearms and who can teach you the basics of firearms safety and usage if you haven't. If you have, good on you for trying new stuff.

[Mirjt]

The NRA is nothing but a front group for arms manufacturers, arms dealers, far-right philosophies, and bigotry.

If people want to join a real gun rights group, that actual care about people and won't ignore the problem of gun violence or police violence, I suggest people join the Socialist Rifle Association.

P.S. I don't own any arms, I am not comfortable around firearms (unless it is on a hunting range or rifilery range). I do support certain types of gun control, but I also support the right for communities to defend themselves. I also support the right of individuals to personally defend themselves in theory, but I am not convinced that having more guns in a hostile situation ever works out in the favor of those defending themselves, and would prefer it that if we insist on personal self-defense that we invest in developing better less lethal and non-lethal weapons that can incapacitate an aggressor without killing or cause significant or permanent injury.

If you're a left leaner, I'd say the SRA is for you. If you are a general supporter of the right to bear arms, the G.O.A. is a great organization to support.

As for the N.R.A., I can do without some of their negotiating rights away antics but I do think they do a damn fine job on firearms safety seminars for new gun owners and non-gun owners.

As for you Mirjit, if you feel uncomfortable around firearms, that's your choice. However I'd recommend you at least try to go shooting with a friend or someone else who owns firearms and who can teach you the basics of firearms safety and usage if you haven't. If you have, good on you for trying new stuff.

I have been instructed in the basics of firearms when I was little, I would go to outdoorsman events every summer, where they taught the basics of rifilery, fishing, tracking, hunting, boating, craftsmanship, birdwatching, archery, etc... though it has been about a decade since I went to any outdoorsman events or had anything to do with a gun, and I most certainly never owned one myself (nor do I want to), though I do appreciate the advice.

P.S. I looked up the GOA, and from what I can tell it is very similar to the NRA (which I already said, I despise and consider illegitimate), with the only difference being they on first-glance seem less racist.

[Diopolis]

The NRA is nothing but a front group for arms manufacturers, arms dealers, far-right philosophies, and bigotry.

If people want to join a real gun rights group, that actual care about people and won't ignore the problem of gun violence or police violence, I suggest people join the Socialist Rifle Association.

The NRA has its fair share of problems, but they do good work in gun safety/training and standing up to the dumber liberal gun control ideas.

[Grinning Dragon]

The NRA is nothing but a front group for arms manufacturers, arms dealers, far-right philosophies, and bigotry.

If people want to join a real gun rights group, that actual care about people and won't ignore the problem of gun violence or police violence, I suggest people join the Socialist Rifle Association.

P.S. I don't own any arms, I am not comfortable around firearms (unless it is on a hunting range or rifilery range). I do support certain types of gun control, but I also support the right for communities to defend themselves. I also support the right of individuals to personally defend themselves in theory, but I am not convinced that having more guns in a hostile situation ever works out in the favor of those defending themselves, and would prefer it that if we insist on personal self-defense that we invest in developing better less lethal and non-lethal weapons that can incapacitate an aggressor without killing or causing significant or permanent injury.

The underlined is objectively false.

[The Chuck]

If you're a left leaner, I'd say the SRA is for you. If you are a general supporter of the right to bear arms, the G.O.A. is a great organization to support.

As for the N.R.A., I can do without some of their negotiating rights away antics but I do think they do a damn fine job on firearms safety seminars for new gun owners and non-gun owners.

As for you Mirjit, if you feel uncomfortable around firearms, that's your choice. However I'd recommend you at least try to go shooting with a friend or someone else who owns firearms and who can teach you the basics of firearms safety and usage if you haven't. If you have, good on you for trying new stuff.

I have been instructed in the basics of firearms when I was little, I would go to outdoorsman events every summer, where they taught the basics of rifilery, fishing, tracking, hunting, boating, craftsmanship, birdwatching, archery, etc... though it has been about a decade since I went to any outdoorsman events or had anything to do with a gun, and I most certainly never owned one myself (nor do I want to), though I do appreciate the advice.

P.S. I looked up the GOA, and from what I can tell it is very similar to the NRA (which I already said, I despise and consider illegitimate), with the only difference being they on first-glance seem less racist.

I could also say the SRA is bigoted for pandering only to one socioeconomic/political segment of people instead of being open for all. I do enjoy attending NRA, GOA, etc. functions locally and I've seen a great many African American, Hispanic, Asian, and Middle Eastern attendees. Rights to self defense are universal rights that ignore racial barriers. Remember, gun control is inherently racist and bigoted due to how it forces members of society to buck up $$$ to exercise their rights if at all. This almost always disproportionately affects poorer folks due to them not having nearly enough liquid assets to cover the costs involved... But hey, I'm simply a 1st. generation minority gun lover, what do I know? *shrug*

On a side note. Anyone want to offer ideas for a new poll?

[Germanic Templars]

I have been instructed in the basics of firearms when I was little, I would go to outdoorsman events every summer, where they taught the basics of rifilery, fishing, tracking, hunting, boating, craftsmanship, birdwatching, archery, etc... though it has been about a decade since I went to any outdoorsman events or had anything to do with a gun, and I most certainly never owned one myself (nor do I want to), though I do appreciate the advice.

P.S. I looked up the GOA, and from what I can tell it is very similar to the NRA (which I already said, I despise and consider illegitimate), with the only difference being they on first-glance seem less racist.

I could also say the SRA is bigoted for pandering only to one socioeconomic/political segment of people instead of being open for all. I do enjoy attending NRA, GOA, etc. functions locally and I've seen a great many African American, Hispanic, Asian, and Middle Eastern attendees. Rights to self defense are universal rights that ignore racial barriers. Remember, gun control is inherently racist and bigoted due to how it forces members of society to buck up $$$ to exercise their rights if at all. This almost always disproportionately affects poorer folks due to them not having nearly enough liquid assets to cover the costs involved... But hey, I'm simply a 1st. generation minority gun lover, what do I know? *shrug*

On a side note. Anyone want to offer ideas for a new poll?

I would ask the best type of firearm, but I just remembered that this is the gun-control thread and not the gun talk thread, so why not a poll that goes into levels of legality people want with their guns.
[*] No guns
[*] breech loaded firearms
[*] pistols and shotguns,
[*] bolt-action and single-shot rifles
[*] semi-automatic weapons
[*] automatic weapons
[*] explosive devices
[*] small-caliber cannons (think 37mm or so)
[*] artillery and cannons
[*] naval guns
[*] nukes

Or something like this, flavor it to your liking.

[The Emerald Legion]

I honestly wonder how civilian nuke sales would work. I imagine it would be more like buying a car than buying a gun.

[Germanic Templars]

I honestly wonder how civilian nuke sales would work. I imagine it would be more like buying a car than buying a gun.

Honestly, I feel like Recreational Nukes^tm is kinda a bad idea.

[Taihei Tengoku]

Nobody owns recreational nukes because they're a pain and require high amounts of social cohesion to build and maintain. Most people don't even shoot their normal guns as much as they do.

Americans own guns because there are hostile, nomadic tribes within the territory and the constable is always minutes away.

The NRA is nothing but a front group for arms manufacturers, arms dealers, far-right philosophies, and bigotry.

If people want to join a real gun rights group, that actual care about people and won't ignore the problem of gun violence or police violence, I suggest people join the Socialist Rifle Association.

P.S. I don't own any arms, I am not comfortable around firearms (unless it is on a hunting range or rifilery range). I do support certain types of gun control, but I also support the right for communities to defend themselves. I also support the right of individuals to personally defend themselves in theory, but I am not convinced that having more guns in a hostile situation ever works out in the favor of those defending themselves, and would prefer it that if we insist on personal self-defense that we invest in developing better less lethal and non-lethal weapons that can incapacitate an aggressor without killing or causing significant or permanent injury.

lmao what an insidious comment