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Your thoughts on pistol braces? (See top of OP for information)

Ban modern sporting rifles
114
15%
Pistol braces should be outlawed and current restrictions on SBRs remain in place
86
11%
Pistol braces should be outlawed but current restrictions on SBRs should be removed
30
4%
Pistol braces should be allowed and current restrictions on SBRs should remain
102
13%
Pistol braces should be allowed but current restrictions on SBRs should be removed
454
58%
 
Total votes : 786

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Postby Thepeopl » Sat May 02, 2020 12:11 am

:rofl:
Aclion wrote:
Thepeopl wrote:Let's take a look at Iceland.

https://www.icelandreview.com/society/hold-your-fire/

https://cognitive-liberty.online/weapon ... ng-effect/

It would suggest not the guns but the culture around them "protection" and "perceived danger" are the the factors to tinker with.

I would suggest that community size, access to education and level of poverty. are far more important factors.

So basically you are saying America is doomed?
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat May 02, 2020 1:06 am

Aclion wrote:
Thepeopl wrote:Let's take a look at Iceland.

https://www.icelandreview.com/society/hold-your-fire/

https://cognitive-liberty.online/weapon ... ng-effect/

It would suggest not the guns but the culture around them "protection" and "perceived danger" are the the factors to tinker with.

I would suggest that community size, access to education and level of poverty. are far more important factors.

Just put a woman in charge ;)
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sat May 02, 2020 10:25 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Aclion wrote:I would suggest that community size, access to education and level of poverty. are far more important factors.

Just put a woman in charge ;)


If the current spread of incompetent assholes in office are anything to go by, I'm going to have to firmly pass on even entertaining that shitty idea any further.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat May 02, 2020 10:26 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:Just put a woman in charge ;)


If the current spread of incompetent assholes in office are anything to go by, I'm going to have to firmly pass on even entertaining that shitty idea any further.


Aren't most of those incompetent assholes men though?

I'm just saying. Not that a woman would be better but I doubt she could be worse.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sat May 02, 2020 10:28 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
If the current spread of incompetent assholes in office are anything to go by, I'm going to have to firmly pass on even entertaining that shitty idea any further.


Aren't most of those incompetent assholes men though?

I'm just saying. Not that a woman would be better but I doubt she could be worse.


There is plenty of incompetence to go around.

However, that doesn't change my point.

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Postby Plzen » Sat May 02, 2020 10:28 am

Rojava Free State wrote:[...] but I doubt she could be worse.

A general rule of thumb in politics is that things can always be worse.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat May 02, 2020 10:29 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:Just put a woman in charge ;)


If the current spread of incompetent assholes in office are anything to go by, I'm going to have to firmly pass on even entertaining that shitty idea any further.

Not wanting politicians to shit all over your constitutional rights is sexist and you're literally worse than Hitler. /s
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat May 02, 2020 10:30 am

Plzen wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:[...] but I doubt she could be worse.

A general rule of thumb in politics is that things can always be worse.


The only way things could maybe get worse is if Trump just said "I realized today that I can stop COVID by nuking everyone. So fuck it, no brakes on the happening train." I say maybe because I'm sure some would beg to differ and say it would be better if he just finishes us off.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat May 02, 2020 10:31 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
If the current spread of incompetent assholes in office are anything to go by, I'm going to have to firmly pass on even entertaining that shitty idea any further.

Not wanting politicians to shit all over your constitutional rights is sexist and you're literally worse than Hitler. /s


SJWs often think this country will be better when more women and people of color are in charge.

Idk about women but when I look at my homeland, it tells me that putting people of color in charge doesn't make everything magically better.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Diopolis » Sat May 02, 2020 10:34 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Not wanting politicians to shit all over your constitutional rights is sexist and you're literally worse than Hitler. /s


SJWs often think this country will be better when more women and people of color are in charge.

Idk about women but when I look at my homeland, it tells me that putting people of color in charge doesn't make everything magically better.

We should move to a Mobutu-Jiang Qing dyarchy.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sat May 02, 2020 10:35 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
If the current spread of incompetent assholes in office are anything to go by, I'm going to have to firmly pass on even entertaining that shitty idea any further.

Not wanting politicians to shit all over your constitutional rights is sexist and you're literally worse than Hitler. /s


That is a cross that I am willing to bear.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat May 02, 2020 10:36 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Not wanting politicians to shit all over your constitutional rights is sexist and you're literally worse than Hitler. /s


SJWs often think this country will be better when more women and people of color are in charge.

Idk about women but when I look at my homeland, it tells me that putting people of color in charge doesn't make everything magically better.

Same applies for women, just look at Baltimore: three consecutive female mayors, two of them had to resign due to corruption.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat May 02, 2020 10:57 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
SJWs often think this country will be better when more women and people of color are in charge.

Idk about women but when I look at my homeland, it tells me that putting people of color in charge doesn't make everything magically better.

Same applies for women, just look at Baltimore: three consecutive female mayors, two of them had to resign due to corruption.


I still remember when Rawlings-Blake gave the rioters room to burn. West Baltimore turned into the surface of Venus in about an hour.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Sat May 02, 2020 3:48 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Not wanting politicians to shit all over your constitutional rights is sexist and you're literally worse than Hitler. /s


SJWs often think this country will be better when more women and people of color are in charge.

Idk about women but when I look at my homeland, it tells me that putting people of color in charge doesn't make everything magically better.

“We need more women and minorities in positions of power! Why do white males get to be the only ones fucking everyone else’s life!” -Some Idpol buffoon
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat May 02, 2020 4:03 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
SJWs often think this country will be better when more women and people of color are in charge.

Idk about women but when I look at my homeland, it tells me that putting people of color in charge doesn't make everything magically better.

“We need more women and minorities in positions of power! Why do white males get to be the only ones fucking everyone else’s life!” -Some Idpol buffoon

"In fact, we're gonna fuck things up even harder just to show that we can do it better!"
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Sat May 02, 2020 7:24 pm

I'll just leave it at that I don't trust politicians anymore then I trust a Yugo that's spent the last thirty years sitting in a jungle to safely get me down Pike's Peak.
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Postby The JELLEAIN Republic » Sat May 02, 2020 11:05 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
The JELLEAIN Republic wrote:yikes.
Maybe you should call your regional representative or somthing.
Is there like an inspector general extension.
Cuz, bad apples in the force go to jail too.

Also corrupt. And appoints a like-minded Attorney-General in such instances.
-Complaining in such cases sometimes resaults in police harassmens and/or your dog being shot after the Governor has your home anonamously swatted.

Shit flows down, not up.

Apparently there's r/n a bit of a scandal where literally all the votes from 3 counties weren't even counted this year... so... there's that.


That ..
That sounds really extreme.
I honestly can’t say I think that’s true.
I hope to god we don’t have corruption like that, but if we do, well, publicize it, and their carrier is over.
(As well as some jailtime).
I see now the viewpoint.
People here have given up on government entirely.
To them, it’s an oppressive enemy.
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We separated from a king, for self governance,
For liberty and justice for all!
This is our government,
There is no need to fear it,
Work with it, and change it.

:)
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Postby The JELLEAIN Republic » Sat May 02, 2020 11:11 pm

Aclion wrote:
Thepeopl wrote:Let's take a look at Iceland.

https://www.icelandreview.com/society/hold-your-fire/

https://cognitive-liberty.online/weapon ... ng-effect/

It would suggest not the guns but the culture around them "protection" and "perceived danger" are the the factors to tinker with.

I would suggest that community size, access to education and level of poverty. are far more important factors.


That is very interesting ...

In an ideal world there be relatively few gun incidents from domestic sources,
Then people could have whatever guns the want (with in limit).
You could have your cake and eat it too ...
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Postby The JELLEAIN Republic » Sat May 02, 2020 11:12 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Aren't most of those incompetent assholes men though?

I'm just saying. Not that a woman would be better but I doubt she could be worse.


There is plenty of incompetence to go around.

However, that doesn't change my point.


What exactly is your point, if you don’t mind ?
May the autocorrect be with you...
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Postby The JELLEAIN Republic » Sat May 02, 2020 11:14 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Not wanting politicians to shit all over your constitutional rights is sexist and you're literally worse than Hitler. /s


SJWs often think this country will be better when more women and people of color are in charge.

Idk about women but when I look at my homeland, it tells me that putting people of color in charge doesn't make everything magically better.


It would be better if sex and race was not a factor in decinging...


(My copy paste is currently broken so I can’t merge them :( )
(Although you would expect an active conversation while going back ...)
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sat May 02, 2020 11:40 pm

The JELLEAIN Republic wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Also corrupt. And appoints a like-minded Attorney-General in such instances.
-Complaining in such cases sometimes resaults in police harassmens and/or your dog being shot after the Governor has your home anonamously swatted.

Shit flows down, not up.

Apparently there's r/n a bit of a scandal where literally all the votes from 3 counties weren't even counted this year... so... there's that.


That ..
That sounds really extreme.
I honestly can’t say I think that’s true.

Your innocence.

It's adorable.
Fun part is that was part of a larger movement in 4 counties.

And then there was the civil rights movement, the armed part that made Martin Luther's alternative seem preferable, and how the British approach on a similar issue gave rise to the IRA.

There's people saying the Brits could've ended the Vietnam war a good 30 years early... Press X to doubt.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Sun May 03, 2020 8:43 am

The JELLEAIN Republic wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
SJWs often think this country will be better when more women and people of color are in charge.

Idk about women but when I look at my homeland, it tells me that putting people of color in charge doesn't make everything magically better.


It would be better if sex and race was not a factor in decinging...


(My copy paste is currently broken so I can’t merge them :( )
(Although you would expect an active conversation while going back ...)

Unfortunately, not everyone sees it that way. Be a lot damn better if it did.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sun May 03, 2020 10:31 am

The JELLEAIN Republic wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
There is plenty of incompetence to go around.

However, that doesn't change my point.


What exactly is your point, if you don’t mind ?


Paddy O Fernature wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:Just put a woman in charge ;)


If the current spread of incompetent assholes in office are anything to go by, I'm going to have to firmly pass on even entertaining that shitty idea any further.

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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sun May 03, 2020 11:47 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
The JELLEAIN Republic wrote:
It would be better if sex and race was not a factor in decinging...


(My copy paste is currently broken so I can’t merge them :( )
(Although you would expect an active conversation while going back ...)

Unfortunately, not everyone sees it that way. Be a lot damn better if it did.

To be fair, making a candidate a shoe-in based on gender regardless of past misdeeds is how you end up with Trump vs Hillary shenanigans.
-Making it about race, gender, or trying to force a political position to follow some sort of quasi-royal bloodline in a democratic system is usually a sign that something is dreadfully rotten in the system.

Current performance aside, back in 2016 only one of those two had a track record of covering up sex-scandals and making decisions that ultimately got people killed, while trying to damage control with the quote "What difference does it make?". The other was Donald Trump.

Looking back though, picturing Hillary handling any of the situations differently and how that would've affected later events is hard to fathom, but for the most part it would've been at best more of he same, but with Hillary-characteristics. As it is highly unlikely Hillary could have cured COVID-19 via pure charisma alone any better. Green New Deal would've ran into much the same funding-problem's as Trump's Wall initiative, and any democrat-appointed SCJ in place of Kavanaugh would've likely faced similar resistance, albeit perhaps not stooping to the same tactics.
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Postby Nazeroth » Sun May 03, 2020 12:01 pm

When i see Canada's prime minister just outright ban 1,500 firearms(in an already strict gun control nation) by using emergency powers it reminds me why America and it's constitution are amazing and just how shit other nations are.

I do not refer to Canadians as citizens, subjects is a more appropriate term.
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